I see you changed your website since the last time I was there Mike. it looks very efficient somehow! well thanks for the link and i might suggest once more any serious explorers to bookmark Mike's website to purvey. I've been knowing Mike many years.

for some reason, I find these other lightworkers, explorers, whatever we are, pioneers, and for some reason they are all recognizable by a certain amount of humbleness coming across, mixed in with a strong sense of adventure.
Most of them are reticent to speak at length of their experiences, and exactly what is the extent of their knowns. This is my reluctance also although I seem to be dropping off my humbleness in favor of the adventure aspect and the desire to reach others and give away whatever I've picked up which I think others would find beneficial. It may because of the speed up in time I am perceiving the speed up in my nature.

well, we know it can always be bigger, better, and more well organized, yet thanks for the link Mike. I am collecting links as a matter of fact! so you're not alone.

love, alysia

Mattimo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2007 at 11:02pm:


  Hmm, well i sort of understand the above perspective, but i would add a very important clause--one size does not fit all in such matters.  Some folks because of their specific, unique, individual karma, would do well to become more active and expressive in such matters.  Perhaps these have an overbalance in their lifetimes of too much reserve, passiveness, or what not.  Some perhaps came in this life to be much more communicative, expressive and/or extroverted for example.   You never know, unless you really do know...and there are very, very few incarnate who can see into people that well and deeply, especially consistently speaking.

 Others would do well to incoperate more of the former, reticence, more passiveness, etc..  Again, one shouldn't judge or give specific advice unless they know the full Soul history, probabilities, etc. of said others involved, such as the Elders do.  
 Meanwhile, generally speaking, it is much less destructive (for the collective and/or the individual) on average for people to speak, teach, explain, or preach generally on general spiritual subjects or collective issues.   It generally is much less constructive to give individual folks specific spiritual, moral, etc. advice (unless you fall under the above category such as Elders do, or you are a spiritually assigned guide to that person).
Folks with the former tendencies, i sometimes think of as "preachers", and the latter i think of as false gurus.  A preacher type is always much safer and less harmful than the false guru type.  Course very few are purely one or the other, and most of us have our moments of both in my experience.

 In any case, what does it profit any person to be so sirius?   I can't help but remember that a lot of "wise" old men wanted young Yeshua to shut his mouth, stop explaining, etc, and yet he continued to be very active in that for the most part.

I think Mattimo has made very good comments,

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I was going to post this under my Venus topic or maybe the Gaia topic but it fits here just as well and basically what I would like to say is; I think it's very important to keep a balance in life - as the above quote says - ultimately we are, in our physical-based senses operating on a spiritual level.  Spiritual awakening, as Mattimo says, is a unique and individual process almost as a flower opening when the time is right.  At the same time keeping a firm grip on the ground.

I believe it is very important to keep practical logical thinking without (basically) loosing ones mind.  Not only for individual sanity but also for society's health and economical well being.

Talking about the afterlife comes with responsibility and as Mattimo rightly said spirituality is often equated with quackery (even dementia) and for this it is important for people to keep a logical perspective and even more importantly live a happy and healthy life.  We do live our spirituality naturally in our every day chores and responsibilities.  

I do think the regular members here are level headed and for this it is a wonderful site.
Your post is greatly appreciated Mattimo, thank you.  
Caryn

Mendel said: It's a shame to have to hold something inside like to that to the
people you know best in life.
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it's so hard to express to our loved ones. When my mother was alive, I thought I would be able to share about retrievals, or about how I gained a willingness to not commit suicide, yes, I did, I wanted to leave this world, but then after the guiding spirit of the book told me I was very loved, I did want to live. I thought I could share retrievals with mother and tried, but she just looked at me funny   she had had contact with a spirit or two, friends of hers actually wiggled her toes. she was a little psychic. She tried to read ACIM for my sake but didn't get that far. she and I were very different in reading material we liked.
she loved to read romance/adventure novels. she didn't have a clue what I was doing, but she understood I was not the sort to grieve at anyone's transition, rather, I knew there was no absolute parting upon death. she knew this too, but going out of body was not her specialty, nor did she care to alleviate another's suffering.
her meditation periods consisted of a furrowed brow while sitting on her bed, or a disgruntled look at me as she passed me while I sat at the puter, one of those new fangled contraptions she wouldn't touch!

yet she had a light around her head. she was lovely in her own way. we expect our family to understand us, but maybe these that are family are the very ones who need to be around us, because of our difference perspectives?
for one thing she knew, she knew enough to find me out there upon transition. She knew love and relationships and forgiveness were the only values out there to access, but she knew this instinctually, to find me, then I retrieved her to the next level, what I couldn't do while she was physical, I could do, or share, when she was passed on.

actually Mike, I just built her a place. I had to go get guides to take her on. I seem to be very efficient to go get the guides assistance rather than take someone there by myself. but she needed the place, to be waiting in, until they could get there. So I would offer that when the time is right, focus 27 might be the place we all end up in, seems to be more opportunities there, but the person has to be ready.
my mother was wandering in the astral, but hey! love helps us find each other; she found me somehow and definetely by so doing, she benefitted tremendously as well it did my heart good to see her needing me at last for something I could do.
whoops, didn't mean to get so wordy.

well, if u get the notion Mike, I'd be pleased to read any retrievals you feel are unusual or especially enlightening, maybe in the retrieval thread. at least we understand each other!

and also I find people don't start thinking about whats on the other side in general until they encounter a death in the family, or get much older. yet even my mother at age 83 used to tell me she would fight death tooth and nail to the end. which she did. just her nature. well, its nice to have this board anyway, maybe things will change a bit later on, we can be more open.
love, alysia

This is how I began my book (unpublished)

What a paradox we live in.  We agree to come back without our remembrance in tact, and for the rest of our human lives we struggle to remember.

Carol Ann

identcat wrote on Jun 7^th, 2007 at 12:36am:


Hi Carol! glad to see your face again. I'm hoping the struggle gets smoother for all of us in the days ahead. looking forward to hearing more from you. love, alysia

Ditto Boris, your comments are getting refreshing lately

Carole, really glad you're writing a book. I know of a place that will publish it no cost to you if you want to email me for info.

love, alysia

The going is going to be extremely slow to get others to jump the band-wagon.
The thing that irks me the most is that with the growing mountain of evidence supporting the afterlife people just don't care.

I have tried to explain to friends and family members (ultra religious)and have given them papers of the over 50 pieces of hardcore evidence supporting life-after death. Doesn't help.

We live in a world brainwashed from birth to be religious. It is going to be hard HARD to break through that barrier. Do I consider them stupid? Yep not gonna lie.

I go back to college January lets hope I don't have an evangelical roommate (for his sake)