I found I had to be obsessed to OBE. That's why I'm not trying anymore. Way too much effort. I calculated I spent about 60 hours of meditating over 3 months to have 5-10 mins of OBEs during the 90 day Robert Bruce program. (Not to mention the 20 years of meditating regularly before hand).

Then when you do eventually get out you have 3 minds on the go (the one that stays with the body, the astral copy, and the mercurial dream mind popping into the other 2). Your energy dictates your lucidity & rationality within the OBE & lucid dream states, so my experiences were on a continuum of just lucid, to the jewel in the crown, a full conscious exit, trip & return. Even then it's very quick & a bit surreal. The best thing I've ever done was go to the park and enter a love bliss area. I think it was worthwhile to get the "proof" I needed but on the whole it was not what I was expecting, as it was more simple, more complex & more organic that I surmised. A bit like life I guess.

Another thing I should mention is that during the 90 day program I found I was becoming unbalanced a bit mentally and sexually. I only had to walk innocently past someone & my chakras would triple in energy. Also my thoughts started feeling "real". I think it was my half conscious beliefs & complexes taking on a life of their own. I think the quote that the difference between a mystic & a mad man is that a mystic is swimming while the mad man is drowning is apt.

I'm really glad I did 20 years of meditation before hand. Another thing I had to balance with was The Fear. I guess it's a survival program that has to be hacked through. On the upside I was plugged into the mind of God for weeks on end. Continuous synchronicity plus!!! I don't mean I believe I was, I mean it was "reality" while I was there. Like a veil had been lifted and I could see that everything is truly One, all the time, and everything feeds into & helps everything else.

Just thought I'd share the darker stuff as it may help someone. I guess the increased energy increases the light & dark within us, making mountains out of molehills. It would be alright if you could sit on a mountaintop like the Gurus of old, that would indeed make it easier to balance with intense concentrated energy. It didn't take long to return to 'baseline' after the course though, I guess I just over did it in my obsessive drive to finally experience these things.  Overall it was worth it.

Cheers & Happy Trails

Welcome Wingrin!  What you experienced is truly amazing.  While it wasn’t exactly what you might of expected is, as you say, a bit like life.  Still you’ve verified a lot of things by achieving a good OBE state and visiting the park and that love bliss area.  Congratulations.

I identify with some of your descriptions and experiences and appreciate your post.  I liked “Your energy dictates your lucidity & rationality,” as that parallels my limited OB experiences.  You certainly have tapped into higher energy levels.  A number of people here have encountered that and mention heightened sexuality.  You seem to have felt off balance from this – which doesn’t surprise me – probably you can address this by concentrating on grounding and balancing.  Others here can give better advice.

With the expanded awareness and consciousness you experience from your meditation, it seems natural that a traditional OBE would seem somewhat dense and awkward.  Yet these are valid experiences as well and a part of our existence.  Are you familiar with the concept of phasing?  While I’m just a beginner, it seems that might be a helpful approach in contrast to sort of forcing the OBE and lucidity.  At times though I think you have to push hard to break through into new areas and experiences.

As you say, overall it was worth it.  The question is where do I go next?  Happy trails indeed!

Rob

Greetings Wingrin,

Many thanks for sharing! If you continue to read and hopefully post here, you may this is a fine place for stabilizing such experiences with day-to-day life. 
I do hope you will stay and try it out.

You said: "Continuous synchronicity plus!!! I don't mean I believe I was, I mean it was "reality" while I was there. Like a veil had been lifted and I could see that everything is truly One, all the time, and everything feeds into & helps everything else.
Just thought I'd share the darker stuff as it may help someone."

Do you consider the continuous synchroncity darker, or do you mean the overwhelming experience of it? Yes, I suppose that would be. I think Rob is right on in suggesting a gentler approach. No need  I hope to throw out a whole realm of experiences to come. 

bets

Interesting recount of your OBE experiences, Wingrin-

That enhancement of all your chakra energies etc seems to be normal, as many meditators report it in some form. The collective expression is something like "I stirred up kundalini", which is what a Hindu Vedantist might call it. Although we normally operate all our chakras at equal power levels, we also keep the power level low enough that it doesn't make us feel excessively spaced out. When focussing on some mystical event the chakra energies often are increased greatly, and for those unprepared, this can be both surprising and rather uncomfortable, as we seem to lose touch with everyday reality without increasing our groundedness in any other manner. (I found that a cold shower tends to cool things off.)

It appears that you have a natural meditative ability in this area, and perhaps a slightly different approach to meditation would serve you well, allowing a more natural increase in psychic energies from which you could have more comfortably controlled experiences. One option that comes to mind (I don't know why) is "Surat Shabd Yoga", or the yoga of the "cosmic sound current", since it focusses inward.

dave

Wingrin said:

" There is definatly a link between our internal & external worlds,
but it is a very mysterious link and hard to control. It seems to have
it's own agenda, and it travels a winding invisible fashion which is akin
to the scent of a flower dispersing into the air. "

Love it, Wingrin,all you've said but especially your description of that elusive link.  Thank you for sharing!

Bets

Richman said: resistance is SOUL gravity

this is good. very good. for the new kid on the block you sure can ring some bells my friend!  you remind me of Bruce

Bruce Moen is the administrator here for all you first time readers.

he will talk of feelings, to return to a former exploration, he would instruct to feel the PUL, also theres a toning thing. you take the thought and put it into words; then you take the words and the thought and you put it into a feeling. then you have this feeling which is your energy body, right, and this energy body then produces a "tone" so you send this tone to communicate with.

we all have a unique tone signature. I doubt that our tone changes much over a lifetime. I like to think of my tone as Bb. but just guessing, its not really like the musical scale.
My daughter heard a tone once. I think now I sent it to her. we had this big fight and my heart was breaking from it, but she was a teenager, and you know how rowdy teens get to test a parent. well, she ran in her bedroom and slammed the door. I stood outside because she cried and I was worried I had hurt her. so I placed my head against the door and sent love as fiercely as I could and she came out almost immediately and said she heard a tone which made her feel happy, that everything would be all right! and it was!


toning is not like attitude, but would be to me, like intention setting.

when everything boils down to priorities, in my life, peace of mind is the only value I can see and what you give, you get. PUL is closely associated with peace and joy, has almost nothing to do with intellectual pursuits, unless those pursuits are related to opening the mind to who and what we are and those beliefs which change over time.
  good thread

  Thank you for sharing your experiences and observations with us Wingrin.  I have a feeling a percentage of us can relate to much of what you talked about. 


dave_a_mbs wrote on May 13^th, 2007 at 4:52pm:


  Hi Dave, do you mean equal distribution and amplification of their energy levels, which tends to operate at a lower amplification most of the time?   Or do you mean something else?   I kind of see each different person using different Chakaras at different ratios and balances, between relative levels/degrees of activeness, passiveness, and amplification and in different and unique patterns.   In fact, this unique "tuning" of one's Chakras, seems to be what manifests our own unique individualities.

  As we spiritually grow, there is a rather universal trend though, to step up amplification within the so called higher chakras, or rather its a co-resonation process.

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  Thanks for the tip.   I'm not unfamilar to this stuff in theory or in practice, but for whatever reason i've had a lack of experience with being surrounded in-physical of those of like mind.  But Becky and i recently went to a meet up with a "spiritual" group which had a pretty diverse range of expressions/backgrounds, though a pretty strong "new agey" bent overall.   First time with this particular group, and one of the few overall.

    There was about 11 or 12 people total, and it was interesting.   We both definitely felt a difference in energy resonation there, which was amplified by some factors in my case.   I hadn't eaten any solid food that day before going to that meet up.   I had just had a glass of that OJ and fresh lemon juice mix a couple of hours before--which as i oultined in the off topic thread i started, is rather vitalizing, cleansing, and super alkalizing.

  Boy o boy did that leave me rather open.  Becky and i both walked out with headaches, our Anja Chakras and Pineal glands were being stepped up beyond our norm--working hard and overtime.   I don't think it helped that towards the end i passed around this group a large piece of very indigo colored Azurite which i have also used in meditation (sporadically), and each person held it and felt its energy.   Interestingly though a couple said they had been or were engaged in "crystal" or gemstone work, none of them had seen or felt this particular stone before.

  I think that this had the affect to really amplify that particular energy in the group, and it was hitting us in our third eyes big time.

  So yeah, in that case, we felt a need for grounding and we immediately ate a good amount of food and petted the kittens (we got another btw).   Normally i think "grounding" is over stated and over exaggerated in the New age world, since after all we are focussing in the Earth dimension which is the very dimension of groundedness and has this innate affect.    But i guess the idea is to get a circular flow of energy going, or rather a figure 8 flow going.  But first you have to "raise" (speed up) the energies, which can be uncomfortable sometimes depending on different factors emotionally-mentally, spiritually, or even physically.   Sometimes the Soul and Spirit like it, but the body doesn't, and sometimes the body gets blissed out too.  Dunno, its a complex and relative issue i've come to believe, many factors to take into account.

  Hi there Richman, interesting post.   I couldn't agree more with some of the things you said.   One of the things i disagree with (not with you, but in general), but don't try to concentrate on, especially in the New age world/community is the tendency for people to try to spend most of their time with those who are like minded and into the same stuff as they.  

Sure, it feels good to be with those on a similar wavelength, and its not very challenging, but to me its much more rewarding though sometimes a bit more challenging to be an energy transformer (though its not really us, but the Spirit or Father within us).

Much like you wrote in the below: Quote:


At that meeting i mentioned, there was some complaints about "negative" people, which again i do not agree with, but try to let it flow in and out like water.  

 As for the rest, i sort of see where you are coming from with the Chakras, etc. cause i've tried that perspective.  Actually first i went with the 'higher" chakra perspective thing, then switched over to something like what you talked about, and then have sort of gone back to the original perspective but with more actual understanding of the metaphysics of it.  

 All in all, i've come to believe that the Universe works in really simple ways, on simple laws and princples, and once you understand the key parts, most everything else becomes easy to understand.  

1.  Like attracts and begets like on all energy levels, in all consciousnesses, dimensions, etc.   2. As above, so below.  

3. There are only two states of beingness in this Universe , and one of them is ultimately an illusion because its temporal--yet the interplay between these manifests a amazing spectrum of relative degrees and shades of these two.    These are Source-ness and unSourceness, which you can also call Love and unlove.    One comes from Source and we can be potential channels for same, and the other is a creation or rather a manifesting of our own making and is not of Source originally except in the sense that it came from us and we are of Source.  

 How does this relate to Chakars, to concepts of "higher and lower", etc.    Pretty simple, the more loving and Source like one becomes, the more one opens up as a channel of that, the faster the rate of their vibration gets.  

  Love is all inclusiveness, unity, Oneness, right.   Hence its the most "expanded" state possible, the "Spirit" spectrum of what Bruce calls the One field.   That which speeds up in rate of vibration, automatically "expands" though this is a misnomer since physical space as we understand it doesn't exist.  

 Our Chakras, and our endocrine glands are patterned after this Universal truth of vibration.  It's in a represenational image in our body, because that's what the body is, a reflection, a image, its in a sense "encoded" info.   A pattern of the real, but not quite real itself because its a temporal reflection.  

 In the Earth, in the physical, we have states of contraction and expansion, the Earth is a collective manifestation of those who chose to manifest reality in an unSource like way.  They took a spiritual pattern, changed it, and in doing it they stepped down the rate of vibration of what once was a pure consciousness free of form.   The Earth as always existed as a consciousness, but not always as a "form".  

 In spiritual energies and dimensions, there is the state of pure positive energy, or that of pure expansion.  

 To be continued..(because this post is getting too long).