AAHSOLAOTSUAHHOMMRA ! (hope i spelled it right)

Good stuff, I look forward to seeing how you continue. (you ended with to be continued).

Wingrin said: My dreams at this time also confirmed this when I followed the sound to the "heart of the universe" and had a chat there with a very cool and humourous monk. Make of this what you will.
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this thread is exciting me, I may have to find an animal to pet to ground me

I once, no it was twice, did the same above as Wingrin. although it was not immediate. it was in two phases. I am still figuring it out.
1) heard the tone through the human voice (on a record)
2) made a semi conscious intention to visit the vocolist out of body.
3) saw my journey and also humanities journey in the words of a song.
4) forgot all about it
5) shortly thereafter (in the 80's this happened) I was granted permission to see this person by a spirit who asked me like a password question it seemed; she said "are you certain you want me to fetch him?"
I sensed deeper meaning there in her question but I'm rather the plunge first ask questions later type person so I said I was sure.
5) he arrives and I told him that due to hearing his tone, I was now aware of my mission to find out what love is. then he gave me a boost in TMI terminology and back I went into my life to find out what love is for humanity, not just me and him, then I told him I would be reporting back in to tell him what I discovered.

and now I'm pondering on the tone that drew me out of myself, for if anything, an obe trip is a pulling out of yourself and to find our connections with the rest of humanity for in our oneness there is these connection points.

now, lol, as to finding out what love is..undistorted by ego (ego to mean that which seeks power unto itself, but does not allow the other to be shining, PUL lifts others) it takes a whole lifetime, but some of the things said on this thread are pointing in the right direction.


I notice Wingrin calls it a Quest in the title, while I called it a mission. I think Quest sounds better.

I'm in the same place regarding Wingrin's wondering about these journeys of how much is real, how much is symbolism or something not real, or something that is perceived through your own filters, your rose colored glasses.
I've decided you cannot live in two dimensions at the same moment, but that we blink in and out or walk in between the two, going along at your own pace.
this other world is where we create the physical world events. then it manifests into the Earth. we will often use symbology of images or music tones to point to our greater selves, until we can remember who we are and what are our intentions are for being here.

Insofar as relationships go, I have come upon something mind boggling which explains our oneness better. it is that in relationship we haphazardly perhaps, create one another in our minds to be as we expect them to be. when they fail to be what we thought they were, meanwhile the other is creating you to be as they perceive, desire, you to be.

then the nature of love is simple, is to be allowing self expression of the other without condemnation of the other and this creates pathways of growth into our fullness, and is a journey we are all on.

lol. so now I have to go tell my friend that I discovered what love was and completed my mission. hope he read this.

RichMan wrote, Quote:


 First off, i know what you mean in the first paragraph about the look of some folks who are into the New Age very strongly ie the really spacy, kind of fake, etc. look.   Often they tend to a strong imbalancedness to the right brain polarity, and aura wise they tend to have a lot of pink (which most pinks tend to have more red than anything, very ego oriented), pale blues, and/or pale lavender like colors in their aura's.  

 They tend to think they are much more attuned and spiritual than they really are, or rather they think they are very spiritually mature, near graduation, etc.    But anyways, they are nice people, mean well, and tend to be idealistic.  

 In short, they are not as in their "higher" chakras as they tend to think they are.  Or sometimes they are somewhat, but there is a lack of an overall holistic balance which is very necessary if full At-One-Ment is to be fully remembered while in the body-physical consciousness.

Same with the Gurus that you have mentioned in the above.   Many of these really weren't phasing that much into their higher centers, but rather trying to appear like it.   Trying to get people and/or themselves to think so.   All the meanwhile the unregerated and strong sex drives, strong attachment to food, to certain kind of unregenerated emotional expressions, to feelings of "specialness", etc. which are attributes of the slower vibrating Chakras and colors, and to some extent to any besides the White Light state of being (which is completely balanced, integrated, and unified).   Oft the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Chakras are really amplified, with some amplification of the 5th and 6th, which gives some energy sensitivity, but because of the lack of balance and over amplification of the slower vibrating centers, they are more ego based than not as a tendency.  

 And so, some of these would try to get their artificially or recommend that way to others, like through drugs, etc.  

 The only real way, is by being a loving person in action and practicing some form of meditation-prayer which helps open you up to become a more clear channel so that you can be a loving person in thought, feeling, and action.   Without the action part too, there is an imbalance.  What you are more talking about is "delusion".


 But you're right, there is a big factor of "unconsciousness" here.  As we speed up our inner energies, towards that of the "higher" centers, we must make sure we work on our own unconscious aspects, to regenerate any and all unconscious parts of ourselves which are hindering a greater flow and awareness of perfect love.  

 The energy once raised to the head, must "go down" to purify the other centers, otherwise the powerful energy of Kundalini can run amok, and like we have seen in some of these eastern Gurus, they become egotists though often "attractive" egotists.    There is some of this inherent difficulty in the consciousness of purple and in the 3rd eye center.  

 So ideally what happens is again, that a figure 8 develops within the energy system, that flows harmoniously and unimpeded, and this reveals a UNITY of all the Centers, which is what brings, faciliates, or rather corresponds to the pure White Light experience and consciousness.   Problem is, is that enough balance isn't usually manifested within the Temple (the body) to hold this consciousness indefinitely, such as we find in Yeshua.  

 So, its really more about balance and integration rather than just "higher" and "lower" chakras.  But first one must "ascend" and then bring those energies back down.  

Or as you wrote, Quote:


 Rather i would say, that Yeshua went up into the mountain, and then came back down to help act as a catalyst of cleansing, revivifying, and speeding up in regards to others.  

If he had stayed up in the mountain, or in the wilderness, his energies would have stagnated and turned in on themselves as a toxin.   Such energy cannot stay passive and be healthy.   It must flow circularly.   You ascend to the mountain, and then you bring it back down to purify the slower vibrating Chakras.   Its a total system after all.  

 Then...then do the higher and lower chakras merge in the meeting place, in one's own Heart.  

 Not that the Heart is the most expanded or most loving Chakra, rather the most Universal, hence the most truly loving is the Crown, but what do we express out of when relating to other individuals, out of the Heart.  

So the Heart must and can become the co-resonator with the Crown.   But if the Heart is not in sync with the Crown, if its not awakened by the Crown, then the Heart just corresponds to personal love which is based on like attracts like, or like minds, of mutual harmony.    

 Its the love which says, "if you treat me nice, love me, i will love you back."  or "if we get along, and have an innate harmony i shall love you or we shall love each other."    

 Crown is completely Universal and impersonal in nature, and its when we can purely express that out of our more personally oriented Heart, that we come to full awareness of the Divine within and without.  Crown loves all equally, even those who do not get along with, like, or treat it well.   It is Yeshua and Source type of love.

Great stuff and I like how you are integrating it. 

My head does seem to be "empty" a lot more than past (I like the term no-mind) the term Crown (dealing with kingship) is an OPEN SHAPED fORM resting on TOP OF HEAD... open from above so it can I guess "flow down"   ... and I sort of think of that as "holy spirit", my Heart does feel "loving energy" I think of "son" or "Christ" center, and my Gut does feel like "Father" energy to me (POWER CENTER).  I know regular chakras see the 3rd chakra as Power or yellow center dealing with human interaction/lower intelligence.  And I used to feel that way.  But my GUT seems to be "FATHER" to me, right now. Although I haven't studied Chinese stuff, I think those people think the GUT area is CENTER in their system.  I'm leaning towards that, from my own experience.  (But you did say, that after going UP you go down again and all the Centers take on NEW MEANING and purpose, so maybe this is what you are saying too... I like the concept of going UP and then going back down , because that feels right to me too.)

And I agree with you , it is cool to attempt to put into words the "stuff" we are experiencing and we are all learning, and it's great to talk to others that are into this stuff.

And like you , my experience is always going through changes, and cycling around.  I do believe in a figure 8 , like you, a cycling of energies.  It's good bouncing stuff back and forth like this, I get a chance to hear the process others are going through and it allows me the opportunity to try to "express" my process too.   

I use three things in looking at beings "I look in the eye, listen to tone quality of voice, and watch how they move, I can gather a lot from doing that, with MIND quiet, (you have a cat, I'm sure you have learned that from him/her, too, cat's very cool beings) ... what people say is not as important to me now.  That's why animals seem a lot cooler to me now.  Animals are very aware in their eyes, and are always aware of "body movement" ... assessing seeing and hearing in very cool way.  And if Center is my Gut, then Instinct and Intuition (GUT FEELING) become interesting brothers.

It is strange to hear myself say the CENTER is my GUT, because for 4 or 5 years, I was saying my Center was my heart, and the star of David the 6 pointed star seemed like Center place.  But now the, belly button, umbilical cord, the first ATOM, seems like the beginning and end. Strange, I'm shifting, and the HEART lead to GUT.  Who knows, what will happen next year!

Greetings, Alysia and Wingrin and all,

There are at least three variations on that 'loosh' term that are quite different from each other. Perhaps here and now we can get them sorted out.

The term 'Loosh' seems to refer to an etheric vapor that is effused by earth's higher life forms to then be reabsorbed by non-physical entities as energy needed for their vitality. It is generated by humans for use by other entitities but is not taken away from us per se, it's more a by-product of our living and breathing.

When Monroe's term 'loosh-farmers' got involved, it seems to have suggested that loosh can and should be reaped  , harvested, taken. This goes against all principles of the religions I know where rules are based upon not taking this and that---exs: adultery--wives,  coveting and gluttony--more than your fair share,
killing--another life, etc.    Loosh when farmed by bullies or with greediness does endanger the life, health, and stamina of an individual it is taken from. I have met such greedy bully-farmers.
Any true farmer knows that seasons are required to grow and replenish any crop.  Yet even in the etheric, greediness can and does become involved and it does endanger 'future crops.'  It is unloving, unsharing, inconsiderate of any consequences other than the farmers' own immediate satisfaction. It is unnatural in its disregard for natural cycles of time and energy needed to replenish any crop, even to the point of being a desecration of a resource meant to be sacred.

Wingrn's example of a sacred dynamic energy  (mmmmm-mm!* *) that propelled him and his wife into ecstactic realms is not freed loosh; it is the finest love-energies that can take sharing humans to the heights of the holy. They created and shared this energy through mutual loving (with some input from higher realms also likely). New souls can be created from this dynamic but don't have to be. This sacred energy fueled their exploration of the Divine.

Thankfully I've experienced all three of these types of energy-exchanges. My explorations have been fueled by the PUL from this community so I don't like to disagree with what's been written here [about loosh 'farming.']. Again it's the failure of language: Love, loosh, and so many aspects of the etheric and astral etc have qualities we need to differentiate but have no words to do so. This web community has experienced people who can communicate to sort this all out.

Love, Bets

Concerning the LOOSH stuff, it makes sense if "lower beings are feeding off even lower beings...then higher beings would feed off the lower beings". 

But if a being feeds off the Source, higher or lower ranked beings, couldn't feed off "that being" because the "energy" would be too PURE and "harm... the parasite-type being".  Like getting too close to "sun" would burn their body (the fires of "hell" are actually "GOD's LOVE" that appears to "hurt those beings" ), or eatting the "energy of sun" would harm us.  We have to "eat" stuff that fits our "physical body" ... and is in tune with our " physical body".... so humans eat animals, and plants, energy stepped down. 

Plants eat earth and sun-light, animals eat plants or other animals that eat plants, humans eat animals and plants , and LOOSH eat us!   And higher Loosh eat lower loosh!   Tree of Death stuff.  It's a spiral!  I believe american indians knew about this, understanding that if they "took the life of animal brother, something would eat them in turn and accepted that as Way of the Circle of Life". 

Our Spirit Body eats God's Pure Energy, and if we have faith, that would be enough, we wouldn't need to eat anything else!  That would be enough! The Food of GOD. 

Jesus talked about eating the Spirit or eating GOD and most of his followers didn't understand that, and walked away, they couldn't understand how they could eat "HIS BODY" and "Drink HIS BLOOD"... but it was not the human being Jesus that was talking but the FATHER IN HIM that was SPEAKING, (know ye not, that the FATHER is in ME, and all these years with me, you have been SPEAKING to the Father, I the SON made the decision not to speak my words, but the Words of my Father , but a time is coming when I too will speak and ME and the FATHER shall come unto you or into you and REST in you.) 

Alysia,

I just wanted to tell you that just from reading all your posts and the answers you have given me here, I think you are just the sweetest, most loving person. I feel the love coming from you. Thank you for sharing the love! 

You rock Alysia !!!

 
Love
Wingrin