"The greatest illusion is that humankind has limitations."
—Robert A. Monroe,
Founder,The Monroe Institute


On the one hand, some New Age thinkers tell us that we are all divine, multidimensional beings.  In this way of considering ourselves, earthlife is merely a voluntary game we play, hiding our true nature from ourselves so that we may appear vulnerable and believe that we are frail, fleeting but still make the cosmically correct choices.  In this mode of thinking, we have spiritual guides and advisors who help us plan our earthly lives, and then we dive down into the physical to learn.  In this school of thought, there is little that the power of human intent can not accomplish.

On the other hand, we have evidence all around us that people seem to be relatively unenlightened in the physical world.  Many feel buffeted about by life, their relationships, and trying to make ends meet.  To these people there is a school of thought that there is a divinity perhaps that acts on us, but that we are but pawns.  Many literal interpretations of biblical work take this view of man and his relationship to God/the universe.  Many of us can't help but wonder at the senseless acts of violence or death that occur with some frequency on the planet and at random.  Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands killed by a tsunami.......talk about being buffeted around in a powerless way.  How much misery and unhappiness are there out there, along with the beauty and wonder?  To account for this, the "pawn" school of thought goes with the belief that we are buffeted about by a divine plan, and perhaps a divine judgement.

So which is it?  My own belief is that, as usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle.  However, I tend to believe by my explorations that there is more to a human being than most of us give or get credit for.  I have seen applied intent change laws of probabilities in the real world.....my real world....and cause things to occur.   Deep introspection and knowledge of the universal law of attraction can show any of us how we actualy attract constantly that which our deepest hopes, fears and passions cling to.  This is not obvious at first - as someone who has suffered greatly in one way or another may say they never meant to attract suffering to themselves.  On closer examination, we can all find that much or our life's circumstances are drawn to us by our deepest beliefs.

There is also a random interaction of energies that is beyond right or wrong, but gets misinterpreted by many as divine punishment.  Not everyone who perishes in an earthquak, tsunami, etc. agreed to die that day - of that I am sure.  However, life in the physical is unpredictable, and we are partly at the mercy of the random intersection of these energies - separate from our own positive intentions. 

Are we beings without limits as Monroe implies?  Perhaps we may evolve in that direction.  But for now, most of us are bound by certain physical laws operating in the world.  Thus, we see few who can walk on water, fly or perform acts that break the routine laws of the physical plane.  Yet how many stories of there of seemingly impossible comebacks from adversity?

And what is the role for God and divine grace in our lives, if some on this forum consider all human beings to be divine to begin with?  If we are powerful multidimensional beings capable of virtually anything, what should our relationship with God and heaven be? 

Clearly the pure unconditional love of God and Heaven is that which we aspire to but may not yet have reached or
realized.  It may be part of the reason we are here in the world. 

Matthew

Gee, Doc, you have a talent for asking the easy questions.  I go with Blink’s take on it and it’s beautifully expressed.  I assume that existence is consciousness and physical existence is a manifestation of it. 

From Monroe’s writing we can infer that there is a band of physical oriented Earth consciousness.  Rosiland McKnight’s book has a great description of this.  That aspect of our selves that we identify as physical enters this field and takes on its apparent limitations.  In a sense collectively and individually we enter an immense belief system and assume we are the physical bodies we seem to inhabit.  Hence, suffering and tsunamis but also joy and expression.

As consciousness or conscious entities we not only live our individual lives but take part in larger collective action.  Did “I” choose to die in the tsunami?  No.  But did “I” choose to partake in greater Earth experience?  Yes.  Our western culture over stresses individualism at the cost of recognizing that we are also a part of a much larger process.

As Blink said, from our present physical point of view we see terror and tragedy.  But from a non-physical point of view we may see something else that we can’t quite picture from our present perspective.  Ultimately, we may see the divine and feel love.

Rob

Hi Doc-
I agree with Rob and Blink - you ask such easy questions, and so nicely too.

It seems to me that one of the great values of being infinite beings, or elements of one infinite Being, is that we can limit ourselves. Putting off our divinity we can descend into the depths of human experience, where we are limited only by the laws of logic and physics etc, so that we learn to live in a world that is not merely created by fiat.

My guess is that the reason for this is that when we have a collectively acceptable, logically consistent, and essentially objective reality, then it will endure, and through its endurance we can expand our own nature. For example, the potentiality for this (or any) universe to twist itself inside out in black holes always has existed, whether or not the universe itself did. But we have to be able to exist in accord with that if we are to experience it. Physicist Leonard Susskind has suggested that the black holes invert into white holes at the other end, as suggested by the Lorentz contraction formula in Special Relativity. That suggests further, that to the degree that we come into accord with this world, in which we are so extremely limited, we can overcome these limits by extending our nature with the budding of the universe into multile new universes ad infinitum. The only cost is that we have to develop the proper attitude. Then, when we return to the Oneness we still carry that attitude, and thus can extend the universe - sort of a method by which God can propagate Its Nature.

All the other stuff seems to be little more than a mess of errors, such as the assumption that we could create peace by waging war.

dave

Hi blink thanks for answering me back i was feeling really down ,when i wrote that,what you have written has answered a lot of questions for me and its as you say that its because we are human,which i realise now and love always wins in the end.

Love and God bless     Love Juditha

We are here I believe to bring the creative energy of Love into ourselves and into all aspects of Creation around us. When we are doing this we are like gods because giving Love is creative like Gods are--Love creates new opportunities and insights for both the givers and receivers of Love. It creates greater capacity to give and receive Love.
When we forget to live through Love/positive, kind energy/PUL, our Guidance steps in and sets up situations for us to get us reminded of our higher purpose. While Guidance tries to get us back on the right track then we may feel like pawns being moved around.
Most of us experience moments of being pawns and moments of being like gods. Both types of experiences help us learn and remember our purpose.
Bets

Since Doc started with a Monroe quote, I'll bring in the LOOSH factor.

In his second book Robert Monroe writes that life on this planet was created by "someone" from "somewhere." These beings are LOOSH farmers. LOOSH is different types of emotional energy that the LOOSH farmers use for whatever reason. They experimented with life forms on this planet in different ways, until they found the best way to create LOOSH. They love it when animals fight each other to the death, because they collect lots of LOOSH in this situation. Supposedly this planet is inhabited by LOOSH collectors in some form.

According to the above theory, the human race and other life forms on this planet are cattle for some alien race. Robert Monroe got the above from BB. The INSPEC he met with stated that there were some interpretive problems when he received information from BB. The correct version wasn't expressed.

"If" the above is true, perhaps Souls incarnate into the physical World partly because Souls are needed to inhabit the bodies the LOOSH farmers create. The good news is that we get to return to the World of spirit some day. The bad news is that it can be kind of rough down here, and after we die our spirit might get stuck in a creepy place for a while, perhaps a "long" while, if we experience the LOOSH farm in a manner that shapes us in a negative way.

Interesting enough, when he writes about the creation of the World in his third book, Bruce Moen doesn't say anything about the LOOSH farmer theory. As far as I know, he doesn't write about it anywhere.

Is the LOOSH theory true? I guess this is up to each person to decide.