That sounds interesting Bets.  I group my own experiences together this way paying close attention to how I perceive myself in OBEs, and particularly in writing my book I try to make the distinctions clear and easy to understand.  I've actually been trying to come up with a sort of "chart" that shows some kind of rhyme or reason as to how and why an experience is perceived one way or another.  

Just doing my own.  I have to try to make sense of my own before I can better understand others'.   

Hi

I suppose physical collections (libraires) of this material are out of date. (Burn, Alexandria, burn!) In Wheaton IL, the Theosophical Center had personal journals in their libraries. There I was first amazed at the similarities of spiritual experience people were having, even back when people couldn't influence each other so readily. (Hah, a pun--'read'-ally.) (I wish Don--or anyone-- could spend some time there.)

Perhaps someday some wealthy patron of spiritual explorations will get it all copied into a huge database so that armchair researchers can make some statistical data that will make it easier to convince the hold-outs!
Meanwhile, Wikipedia's just sort of caught in a mire of partial truths, IMO.

Alysia, are you saying that literally the pace of your walking has helped you establish some levels of spiritual awareness? I could get off my duff and start walking if that were true!

Bets

Greetings AhSo,

Do we use only five subtle sheaths for OBE because that's all we are evolved enough to do? With maybe two more in waiting, or do lower chakras one and two not take us anywhere we wish to go?

Bets

thanks for your face Justin. I see love.

Bets said: Alysia, are you saying that literally the pace of your walking has helped you establish some levels of spiritual awareness? I could get off my duff and start walking if that were true!
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Yes, but not the exercise of walking by itself. it's an inner awareness that I don't have to rush anywhere, so that is what I meant by a calmer approach to obes and other type explorations, even meditation.

which btw, meditational writing is my forte now, I don't consciously do obes anymore unless I'm prompted to by spirit. the writing is enough for me to get rotes to keep me busy.
Also, scuse me if I get blasted to hell for mentioning what I learned from Elias study, is to observe my thoughts and emotions on a moment to moment basis.

Try that and you'll see how difficult it is. that is what I mean by pacing the energy body of thought, not to be caught up in fear games that the world presents to us for the viewing. fear is everywhere, but you don't have to buy into the fear thoughts as real.

even still, I will say to myself in any given day, "What am I thinking now?" or what am I feeling now?" you don't have to change your thoughts, or change your emotions, but it helps you to observe yourself if what you are experiencing is a fear thought or a love thought, so where I used to hurry in stress to do something, if I slow my steps to practice a trustingness there is no fear then to be expressing in the body, which is always related to the energy body, the one that does go obe, will reflect what you have felt and thought on a consistent basis, as what you think and feel consistently is your energy body.

Justin, I have pictures of the 7 colored chakras and their placement. I picture them to be spinning with energy clockwise, and some counter clockwise. I don't know what this means. I have heard some of us will use one or the other chakra portal to exit from in obe. I have used the 3rd eye, between the eyes, this chakra to exit from before.

I have had my solar plexes chakra worked on out there before, I believe it is called the seat of personal power. it is one I need to work on more often in my thoughts, as well the 1st chakra is undergoing some changes as I work on sexuality issues and creativity issues. My other chakras do pretty well by themselves.

it may sound far fetched and I don't believe we can accomplish this without help from guides, but it is my theory to get all seven chakras to spin at the same speed, not to do this, but to allow ascension to take place. this takes a whole life time or more.

love, alysia

Hi Alysia and all,
I just double checked my Reiki training notes and it said that counterclockwise motion closes the chakra and clockwise opens it. I don't know if this helps you or not.

Love,
Michelle

Michelle E wrote on May 10^th, 2007 at 12:33am:

yes! that does help me! thanks Michelle. I had a picture in my head, as I didn't study Reiki like you have, but this image pictures them all spinning clockwise and that they should spin clockwise it seemed, but I questioned it when intuition was saying sometimes they can spin counter clockwise. thanks again.