Dear all,

I am happy to be a new member on this Forum. I am also an engineer and Bruce's  books broaded my undrstanding and gave a great insite. Thank you so much Bruce for all your efforts!

I have been puzzled by one discussion with my girlfriend. When I discuss my understanding of afterlife with her, who is musician and spiritual person, she fears to attract and to be posessed by negative spirits. In Japanese culture, they believe in negative spirits, their power above humans and often "see" that happens on media. I have seen similar statement in a book written by Robert Bruce. He states that Afterlife is filled with spirits of dead people and they drain alive people's energies.
   
My questions:
1) Is Possesion by Negative Spirit Possible in general? during meditation? OBE?
2) Do negative spirits drain our enrgies?
3) Are we vulnerable to negative energies in general? For example, If someone wish you bad, can bad things might happen to you?
4) How would you eliminate such a fear?

I have not found answer in this forum. I also re-read Bruce's books in search for answers and found only few cases, in which you encountered negative Spirit/energies.
I would realy want to her Bruce's opinion!

With Love,

Maks

Below is what Bruce wrote on a past thread about demons.

What is a demon??
Reply #7 - Apr 11th, 2006, 10:03am    Deanne,

Before we get all worked up about "demonic possession"  let's talk about what a demon is.  The dictionary says:

demon: 1. an evil spirit; devil.  2. am evil passion or influence.  3. a person considered extremely wicked, evil or cruel.   Myth: a god

I've been actively exploring beyond physical reality since about 1991 and I have NEVER encountered anything or anyone truly worthy of fear.  Most of the beings I've encountered that come close to qualifying to any part of definition of demon fit the #3 part of the definition.   

These are just nonphysically living (dead) people who for one reason or another are behaving badly.  Most of them are just lost, confused and afraid after death and they need our help, retrieval.  Some, a very few I've encountered, were nasty peole when they were physically alive and they didn't change after they died.  Some of these, fewer yet, ones who know they've died, are terrified about what horrible punishment awaits them for things they did when physicallly alive, and they will do anything to avoid the fate they fear.  Some of these, fewer yet, will attempt to stay close to physical reality to avoid facing possible punishment.  Some of these, fewer still,  find a way to stay close to a vulnerable physically living human to avoid punishment.  These are the ones that Hollywood and horror fiction writers attempt to portray as "demons."  But, they are just people who are stuck and need our help to get unstuck.

So, what cause a physically living human to be vulnerable?  Several things can.  One big one:

Unfortunately, some religions teach a ridiculous set of beliefs about these stuck people, elevating them to the level of beings with powers beyond ordinary human capability to deal with them.  Face it, any con artist has "powers beyond ordinary human capability" until the con artist's tricks and methods are understood.  Lack of knowledge of the con makes us vulnerable to it, and some religions feed us beliefs that play right into the con artist's hands.  And that's all the very worst of the worst of these so called "demons" I've encountered are, con artists.  Once you know the con game the con artist is running,  and understand how it works, it is a simple matter to avoid being taken in.

One of the biggest cons these bozos run relies on the teachings of some religions.  If a religion teaches that "demons" are so powerful that we mere humans must rely on the intersession of God to defeat them, you can bet these bozos are on the lookout for members of that religion to latch on to and run the con game.  Because all the con artist spirit has to do is con that person into believing a demon is attacking or possessing them.  The beliefs taken on by the person from their religion dooms them to "demonic possession" when what is really going on is just a silly, stupid, easy to avoid and beat con game.

My opinion?  Demonic possession is just a lot of con artist crap that would be better dealt with through knowledge, understanding and compassion through the Art of Retrieval.

Bruce 
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Another great topic.

My experience on this subject goes like this:

Their are Demon Realms quiet different than Astral Realms ... it's a completely different CHANNEL.  There a many Channels to tune into!

Demon Realms  3 in NUMBER (from my actual experience seen over many years):

Lucifer realm: Temptation realm, with lots of animal-beast looking beings, writers of the last century described them Werewolf-type beings , Under-foot ,  Moon related, and yes they have what are called "handlers" of some human beings that have given themselves over to perverted thoughts and acts. I see some humans who have VERY Dark Energy around them.  Lower Lucifer Realm have "dead" humans with human-like heads on insect bodies, lots of other types too, banshee's, dark-robed ones with RED eyes, ect. 

Second Dark Realm, Arihmantic, ... Silver-bat-like winged beings, with weird mouths and dark flowing shrouds, that are called "egos", believe it or not, most humans have these beings inside of them, and 99.9 percent of people you encounter are "ego's" on earthy plane , these beings come inside a human around the age of 4 or 5 , and that is when a child feels seperate from others and FEAR develops. Not sure if this information is out yet, but, I guess it is time to alert some as to the Truth about what our actual condition is, CASTING out the EGO , which most human's think is who they are.  These ego's are responsible for 100 million humans dieing in last Century, who do you think is killing us, the EGO is... and YOU are NOT the EGO but it's who you think you are, until you WAKE UP!

Third Dark Realm is Glamour Beings, the main one looks very Horrible, but I understand she once was very Beautiful in Spiritual Realm, very,very, horrible, but she can confer , Glamour on a human to make them appear to others "beautiful", smart, and I believe some movies show the "glamour demon" ... usually telling their HOST that they will be Famous, Rich,ect, if they "sell their soul to this demon".

Astral Realms are totally, different Channel and what Bruce wrote above sounds like my experience too.

I do go down into HELL realms and dress accordingly , not showing the "LOVE-light"... and I usually have a "good" time.... trying to help. 

My Belief system is GOD is ALL POWERFUL and GOD holds ALL the POWER, demons have absolutely NO POWER.  It's not a 50/50 game of good/evil.  GOD has 100 percent POWER!
Also, as Bruce writes, Demon power is based on believing in a LIE, a LIE about GOD.  But since God only see's LOVE and the Kingdom HE created, these demons are Dreaming a LIE, and many humans are also Dreaming a LIE about GOD.  Free Will, you can dream but you will eventually WAKE UP.

Artistic TYPES can sometimes see this Channel at times , so if they CAN , Spiritual Practice becomes Necessary , and Practices that are LOVE BASED!

My 2 cents to the topic!

Hi maks,

You've been reading Bruce's books, so maybe you are (un)consciously assessing when to try a retrieval? I'm asking this because retrievals proved to me that demons are not out there, as recoverer said.

I did meet some images that startled me but I learned to send them PUL. 
That made them either cry or dissolve!--- also startling but not fear-some.
Most of the crying ones would stay for some consolation to hear about being retrieved into a better place and then they went there.

You will gain alot of new attitudes towards the suffering of scarey things when you get into retrieving. I hope you try it! 

bets

Demons are just perverted thought forms created by human thoughts.... So, they are just make believe.. If, you experiences them in the astral, and spiritual world they will vanish if you are not afraid of them and send them love.. So real demons do not exist!


Okay now on to to possession.. Yes, people can get possessed... If, they let the evil spirit of a deceased person interact in their life..



But love conquers them all the time.. Of course God will conquer them as well.. Just don't let fear take over.. They are nothing to fear at all..Don't even fear, fear itself..

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I'd suggest that Dave (dave_mbs) would be one of the most appropriate/relevant persons to help you with these questions, as he is (by profession) a spirit releasement therapist (or consciential therapist) who deal with these matters of intrusion (eg. "possession") on a professional basis.

If you (or someone you know) ever need further advice or assistance with regards to this subject, you can contact Dave via PM on this forum, or by email on his website here :
http://www.mbs-hypnoclinic.com/


In addition, you might like to check out the following relevant articles/readings on my website on this (largely misunderstood, by almost all conventional sides of this debate) topic.

My webpage "Washing Away the Illusions of Darkness" :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/forum/messages/59.html

Suggested Books on Spirit Releasement Therapy :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#SRT

Hilarion on True 'Protection' from 'negative entities' :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/forum/messages/59.html