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Reply #15 - May 6th, 2007 at 1:30pm
 
Richman said:
"Took around 48 hours for me to finally have the "LOVE" energy flowing in and out in the way I'm so used to.  Really appreciate going back to my "normal"  "energy circuit". 
I realize in past , when I astral traveled I would "always"  feel the "weird type of drain".  The old way of traveling was not "LOVE" based traveling (now that I compare it to NEW awareness) therefore it would use up my psychic energy (which I believed happened a few days ago). "

Thank you, richman, for that reminder! I for one needed to hear it.

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Reply #16 - May 7th, 2007 at 1:34am
 
richman wrote on May 6th, 2007 at 11:46am:
Took around 48 hours for me to finally have the "LOVE" energy flowing in and out in the way I'm so used to.  Really appreciate going back to my "normal"  "energy circuit".

I realize in past , when I astral traveled I would "always"  feel the "weird type of drain".  The old way of traveling was not "LOVE" based traveling (now that I compare it to NEW awareness) therefore it would use up my psychic energy (which I believed happened a few days ago).  

So until I can figure out or be shown a way to "use this LOVED BASED ENERGY" that I'm trained in and very aware of, I'm suspending "astral travel" using my psychic energy.  

I move through "physical world" using "LOVE" energy , and it's so "cool" compared to old "tension-fear" way of interacting with people, places and things that was negative and dark in "old days".  And my "channel moving method" I'll still use , since I can do that using "LOVE circuit".


thats good to hear, you already know how PUL energy is superior over any other type of explorations..without that component, I suppose it would be draining on the physical..so you put two and two together quite nicely. I have gone obe for a retrieval once on the energy of gratitude, which I think is strongly related to PUL energy if not the same thing.
I can think of only one time in my life where I was awake the whole night, in a semi conscious state and was drained physically the next morn.
but it was a necessary experience..my sister had died and was trying to contact me that night..she got thru, but I was not able to forgive her that night for what had gone on before she died. much later we worked it out via a mental chat and spirit visit. but yes, I was sleepy the next day, like I had not been able to rejuvenate my body as usual during the night..I had my attention fastened on making contact from dusk to dawn during that particular one time experience.
and yes, there was no PUL involved at that time, I had concern, but no PUL. it was actually her that initiated the adventure that time.

I try to tell everyone I meet how the dead try so hard to get right with the living, if they didn't manage to get right before dying. my sister needed my forgiveness, however I was not so into forgiving as I am today, so, then I figured out, forgiving can lead to understanding PUL energy, as the hurt inside will disappear, the sticky stuff Bruce talks about in his books, the sticky negative stuff will dissolve with the spiritual practice of an old time thing called "giving your self away, as you gave yourself before everything started to get sticky.
now I just have pleasant thoughts of my sister. she really did the best she could with her younger sister, and thats all you can expect. Smiley

I look forward to hearing more from you Richman.
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Reply #17 - May 7th, 2007 at 8:08am
 
I will have to read something about PUL energy, can you recommend a book or a link on WEB, went looking and all I found was something you wrote using the term  (I think my search was "PUL out of body")

I had very interesting time for about 2 months, many years ago, I was in depression phase, and my brother had died, he came to visit me and since I wasn't "love" breathing, it was like talking to him around 9pm at night, in twilight time, I could sort of make out outline of him, but , the "cool" thing was he was MENTALLY wide awake, and as he spoke about what was happening, he explained things to me in way that I could "feel" it. Weird having him around me during the day for 2 months from time to time.

My brother told me how I was the only one who could talk to him,  other's seemed to be dreaming, he would try to talk to them and they seemed like they were "going through the motions of doing stuff but in closed loop to him".  It wasn't what he was saying, but , the way he said it, that I could "feel" it or "see it, not from my experience(so had totally different way of seeing stuff from his viewpoint. 

I did tell him about the LIGHT, but he didn't see it, and since I was not 'LIT UP" I could only share how the "Light" exists. He told me he always thought I was "weird or strange" about spiritual stuff, and was surprised that I was the only one that could talk to him.  He was atheist.  He stuck around for 2 months, seeing his "wife" going through grief process, and wanted me to tell her about his experience with me, which I didn't, since I was in "dark' living, non-"LOVE energy, living. He was pissed at me for not "helping his wife", really pissed, and wondered how I could do that. He just couldn't understand my reasoning.  He also related how is "wife" was thinking about committing suiside to be with him.  I just couldn't help in that area , something in me couldn't share my spiritual vision with anyone at that time.  He made me feel like I was "cold-hearted".... which I probably was , since I was depressed.

After 2 months of this type stuff, he grew tired of me, always talking about the "light" , since I was in darkness, and I think he thought I was "bulls@iting him about it". 

Eventually I hit a "darkness-ego-bottom" and did pray sincerely for long time, and LIGHT did flow in and out again as before, and I lit up, and without saying anything to me, he entered into me, and went straight up, and I saw the circular clouds, with white sort of white winged beings, all burry,  as I looked up spiritually, and he was gone, didn't say good-bye or anything.

Maybe six months latter, my brother comes back and he is talking in British accent, appearing very changed, and saying how were we friends in many past lives, and he was with a "group" of people who were studying the Consternation's from vibratory viewpoint, they would "hang out and take in the vibrations of the Consternation's  (star-grouping), sounded cool.  And told me my parents (who died much earlier)  were "working with plants, and sounding them or enjoying the vibrations or music of it, and doing something with them, didn't understand it but it did sound cool, or felt cool as he was telling me about it.  And he thanked me for helping him.

Also, he wasn't angry at all about me not "helping" his wife as he had wanted, got the sense, that his wife had used him or something like that , like he was a puppet under her, and they weren't connected in deeper way, he explained it, but I didn't understand it. Almost felt like he was saying she wasn't part of his group, something like that.
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Reply #18 - May 7th, 2007 at 8:45am
 
Bless you, richman,

for sharing your incredible (Not!) experiences with your brother! Well, you already have been blessed, of course  Smiley. You are incredibly rich !

When you immersed yourself in PUL (that's the way we'd say it after reading BMoen) you were able to bring that vibration to your brother and you 'retrieved' him! You brought his vibrational rate/sense of love up to the point that he could be lifted.  That's what Moen's retrievers do!  Isn't it wonderful !?  I don't see why everyone is not doing it, it really is fantastic!

So here is another confirmation of all Bruce has written of, from someone who hasn't read his books.

richman, PUL is Bruce's term for the pure unconditional love that you experience as the Light and LOVE. They're all the same, but even though you are already experiencing them, I think you would enjoy Bruce's reports too. Amazon has his books. Some suggest starting with the last one, Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook, not that you need it, but the earlier ones will show you more of how and why he came to his later conclusions.

I'm very happy for you---and happy for anyone who gets to hear of your experience!

Love, Bets


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Reply #19 - May 7th, 2007 at 9:18am
 
Richman this is an awesome verification of experience.  And Bets, yes, this then is a good understanding of retrieval.

We read St. Peter 1 :4
5:  Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6:  For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

And studying Rudolf Steiner he tells us; the so called dead draw near to us to absorb our thoughts so that they may also obtain spiritual nourishment and understand the path of the light.  Steiner does say it is our family blood group which may only draw close to those on earth.  

What is interesting about your experience Richman is you both needed one another; he gave to you and you gave to him.  You opened your heart to love and through this your brother found peace.  Amazing.

Thanks for writing this for us Richman, it is very special.

Lots of love to you both.

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Reply #20 - May 7th, 2007 at 9:42pm
 
  Impressing reports Richman. You're really on an exciting way!

  You said: "LIGHT did flow in and out again as before, and I lit up"; recently, in meditation I've got the "knowing" that, to get closer to God, I first had to empty myself of blockades, and I practice it, feeling expanded over the boundaries of my physical body, opening my body for a flow, mainly in head-feet direction. Feels good.
  I know what you mean when you say: 
   "I move through "physical world" using "LOVE" energy , and it's so "cool" compared to old "tension-fear" way of interacting with people, places and things that was negative and dark in "old days"."
  , though this feeling is not there with me all the time, so I have to practice some more.

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Reply #21 - May 7th, 2007 at 11:02pm
 
This may be a dumb question to you guys here but I am new to all of this and have done alot of reading here on your boards and I would like to know what PUL is? It keeps coming up. I have to say that all of the reading I have done has really given me a sense of peace and love. Very comforting. Thanks so much!
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Reply #22 - May 8th, 2007 at 10:23am
 
I'm in same situation as I was in 3 or 4 days ago. But at least I'm asking questions and "thinking" out-loud with you guys.

Here goes:  Those 4-5 tinnie-tiny beings are still buzzing around me, and I am talking to them.
They say they are "angels" ... and they were sent to me to go with them into SOUL plane and help some "people" there.  I think what we say is ASTRAL , they seem to prefer the word "soul".  They are not "angry" at me for not going with them, but they are not leaving either. 

I tell them I don't want to go with them, and they say ok, they will just stay until I change my mind. 

Yesterday was GREAT, got a chance to hang out at one of the parks I go to, and my animal friends really were excited to see me, it was "party" time, even a "crow" hung out with me , surrounded by all my friends. LOVE the animals.  So my heart felt very good.

The Head Park Ranger had told me to stay away for week or so, because he thought the "seagulls" were not leaving to go to OCEAN because they wanted to be with me, and I agreed to stay away for week or so. The seagulls did leave so I could come back.  I had told him I just thought it was that the whether was probably causing the delay but he thought it wise for me to stay away.  My friends the seagulls I can connect with them, they look at me and I look at them, and instantly they do what I suggest, BUT I can't tell who is directing who, them me or me them. Very cool, but it's done in LOVE, and I give them complete freedom.  So NO CONTROL issues, each  type animal  I relate in different way.

So I was happy to see my animal friends yesterday.

As to the "angel" business, I'll wait a day, check with you guys , but it is weird having them buzzing around me.  Tiny-tinnie ,  I can zoom my 3rd eye on them and they get much bigger, but in physical-awareness with 3rd eye just regular focused very small. 

I do see regular angels at times, usually in parks, and they step from behind trees once in while, and I can tell they are watching over "animals" , and they "like" me, I can feel their energy, because I like the animals.  I see "negative" vibe come out of some of them, if humans are not treating the animals nicely. 

When I was 7 or 8 years old, I would feel "terrible" if I mis-used any animal, or killed it, and that "feeling" is the energy they throw out on "people" who mis-treat animals.  I see it.  And they send "nice" energy to people that are looking out for them, without controlling "animals".

Anyway, my concern is I don't want to leave into "soul" or astral plane, using my energy.  They say I do have to leave the physical body to go with them, instead of regular "channel moving".  So delimma, I don't want to feel like "sh#t" the next day , although the 2 retrevals out of body with guy that fetched me went great.  I told guy that fetched me a few days ago, I would stop for a while and he said no problem.  He has not been back since, at least I can't sense him around. 

These "little" guys (angels) sure are happy little fellows. Smiley

p.s. Just wanted to add that they said, they can't leave until they complete their assignment. I asked if "GOD" sent them, and they said "yes, sort of , I can tell they didn't like the "concept" of GOD that I used, in referring to GOD.  They seemed to have "non-form concept of GOD" and it didn't seem to have any "forcing" intent in it.  They don't seem to be in any hurry , either, they like watching me, and it could be that their "happy-smilie attitude" is what is making me feel so good, in addition to my regular "love' breathing.  They "like" me, and I can feel it.  Nice guys! Smiley

p.s.s.  I should add that 4 years ago, a very LOVING BEING told me to go hang out with the 'animals" and tell them "help" was on the way. I was to be ambassador to them, and this LOVING BEING told me , humans were supposed to "take care of the animals" or "tend to them",  not turn them into slaves, or mis-treat them.  And this LOVING BEING showed me "pictures" of past, horrible pictures of "humans" hurting animals, made me cry. And I told LOVING BEING to please stop because it hurts my heart so much.  And I did what that LOVING BEING said, and I tell the animals "GOD LOVES them and help is on the way". ONE final thing LOVING BEING said, is that the day is coming, when scientist will find out 'animals talk" and on that day, HUMANS will be gnashing and tearing their hair out, realizing what we have done to our "younger brothers and sisters".  Just thinking about what that LOVING BEING said, still makes me "cry", but in good way.
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Reply #23 - May 8th, 2007 at 10:09pm
 
Hi Richman,
what if you would try go OBE with the little swirling angels, but with that love energy you discovered? I guess this good energy you can take with you everywhere. Maybe you take a little extra-charge of it before OBE, and after it you take care to discharge you from any negative emotion you might have picked up on an adventurous journey, just a thought.
It's good to hear you feel and care so much for animals and nature.

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Reply #24 - May 9th, 2007 at 12:25am
 
I worried for no reason, turns out. 

It was very quick trip, went "someplace" with 4 "angels" surrounding me , taken to room and some people entered room, and meeting started, "i started blurting stuff out, and was told to quiet my mind".  Then main guy took a vote as to whether I was ready for something (had no clue what) , and 3 guys raised their hands (implying I'm ready) , and 2 didn't , and I saw my Hand go up, but I "blurted out, that I was weak , and didn't think I was ready" , and the 2  people that didn't raise their hands, then raised them.  And meeting ended, and I was brought back. But I have no idea what they think I'm ready for, or anything, it's beyond my "mind-knowing".  Why did I raise my Hand , when I was 'thinking I wasn't ready", sub-conscious movement but without hesitation.
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Reply #25 - May 9th, 2007 at 1:16am
 
Richman, maybe you are connected to the nature kingdom and these tiny angels are like elementals. I read about elementals and devas but I'm not able to give you that much insight.
you can look up the nature kingdom on the internet.
let us know what you decide to do if you will.

oh, lol, u posted the same time as me. hi!!  that sounds interesting, so now you know it looks like you don't feel ready, and they are letting you know it's your choice to make with all the hands held up. well, there's no rush to be "ready" is there?
take your perfect time.  looks like retriever school to me! love, alysia
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Reply #26 - May 9th, 2007 at 1:52am
 
Could be!

I get the feeling that the shift from head to heart that I went through a number of years ago, is now switching down into GUT.

I believe my GUT is what raised my HAND in that meeting, and the other 2 guys raised their hand after seeing my HAND go up. 

When I am in Park with animals, my head is quiet, very quiet, last number of years. But I was centered in Heart, and feeling LOVE.

Now, the last month or so, my Center seems to be my GUT!  And my head is even more "removed" from "understanding" what's going on. 

My "GUT" took me to this site, and my GUT took me on astral trips last week.  So , could be retriever school, my head doesn't know. 

Since my GUT is more active , people seem to respond to me better, and even some animals that I didn't relate to before, seem to "sense" me, and I sense them more.  Feels like a good thing. 

Also, "freedom" means more to me, that others should be "free" , and respecting "all beings" and allowing them "freedom" ... knowing the "LAW" is always operating.  This is "freeing" up lots of "energy" I formally wasted before.
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Reply #27 - May 9th, 2007 at 9:35am
 
I'm not sure they are nature beings, that would be a different CHANNEL for me.  I use to deal with the elemental beings 25 years ago for a year or 2.  Many years ago, gnomes,fairies, elf's, and dragons, Pan, little people, very interesting stuff.  They are amazing beings, and they can talk your ear off with stories for days on end.  Loved going to fairy castles , and all the adventures I would go on in that realm.  In that realm , humans are considered "sleeping giants", and they would call me some term meaning I was "dense" or "slow-witted" ,  humans were put to sleep by dark forces.  They await the day when we wake up again, because we are "dragon slayers" in that realm, and we were once "warriors" , until the darkness came. 

the community I was with , got wiped out in attack, and I have not seen my "friends" in many, many years.  I don't think you die in that realm, but you go un-conscious, if that makes sense.  I was told that many communities exist, and almost seems like that realm looks like "middle ages, with building and stuff from that period.

P.S. I should add, that every once in a while , I can see my "body" in that realm is in belly of dragon, I move a little, than go unconscious again.  I just remembered that, I would sense this, every 4-8 years , roughly, just  a stirring of very brief consciousness, than , fast asleep again.

P.S.S.  Last thing I remembered, was everyone was running around ,saying we were under attack , beings were running around and doing stuff, then I blacked out, so I really don't know what happened, I don't remember seeing anything hitting me and I really don't know if anyone survived, they were preparing for some attack for a few days or weeks, that is when that CHANNEL went dark.
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Reply #28 - May 9th, 2007 at 10:05am
 
Hi Shelbert.  PUL is pure unconditional love.  It runs through all of consciousness but we have to be open to it.  You can't hold on to it but just receive it and give it.  I think in part you're experiencing it because you say you've been a sense of peace and love and comfort.  I think your question got overlooked because of Richman's fascinating experiences. Love - Rob
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Reply #29 - May 9th, 2007 at 11:01am
 
Thank you Rob. I appreciate your response. It is very interesting reading the posts here. I have been very enlightened. I am very interested in learning this stuff and how to do it too. I am just getting started so if you have any suggestions I would appreciate them. Thanks so much!  Smiley
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