Do people believe it is important to have dedication towards that which is divine?

The reason I bring this up is because the issue of channeled sources keeps coming up on this forum. Many people have the belief that it is fine to read just about anything, because in the end you can pick and choose what you like.

But what if a source of information purposely tries to put down that which is divine? Do people feel good about utilizing a source of information that "intentionally" puts down that which is divine? For example, when Seth "intentionally" attempts to put Christ down by completely twisting the meaning of three of his most famous sayings and resultingly takes away the spiritual meaning. And when he denies the crucifixion of Jesus with a story that can easily be found to be illogical in several ways if a person takes the time to discriminate it.

I know that many people don't think much of Christ. They like to falsely connect him to fundamentalist ideas such as eternal damnation.  Some believe that Christ is a being of light, but just one of many. I agree that there are many beings of light, but would a being of light do as Seth does and purposely attempt to belittle another such as Christ?

Regarding the three Christ phrases I speak about above, Seth doesn't mention any of Christ's other phrases.  Doesn't it seem odd that for the three phrases Seth selected, he interpreted them so they wouldn't have any spiritual meaning? Do people feel good about following somebody who purposely attempts to do such a thing?

Some people will say: But I learned this from him, and I learned this from him." Of course. If a source is going to be successful at deceiving people it has to provide them with something to latch on to.  The question is, is it worth it, or is it the only way to learn and grow?

Regarding the erroneous logic Seth used when denying the crucifixion, I won't repeat what I wrote on another thread. Instead I'll provide another example. Remember, Seth uses the Gospels as the basis for his argument, so their inclusion in the argument can't be denied.  Seth claims that Peter denied Jesus because an imposter was being crucified, not Jesus. If one considers the below part of the last supper they'll catch Seth in yet another lie.

From the Gospel of Luke:
[33] And he (Peter) said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
[34] And he (Jesus) said, I tell thee, Peter, the thingy shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

If a person reads the above with just a little care, they'll see that Seth is wrong, Because Jesus tells Peter that he will deny "him." Not an imposter as Seth claims.

My guess is that some people won't consider the above disscussion about Peter's denial. After all, a poster on another thread actually believes that Seth was correct when he claimed that Jesus was just making a joke when he said to love your neighbor as yourself. Below is that portion of the Sermon of the Mount so people can see how ludicrous and deceptive this claim is.

43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
47And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?
48Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Hi Recoverer I do not beleive what this Seth says,as i love Jesus and God very much and this Seth sounds to me that he is one of those false prophets and there are many of them.

Ive never heard of Seth,but what ive read on your thread about what he says ,i dont think a lot to him and all i can say about him is, far as im concerned,he can go swivel through the starlite skies and spread his lies round there. swivel,swivel Seth.

Love and God bless    Love Juditha

Albert,

The question of how to experience and project PUL seems related to your question.   One astral adept asked me: "Can't we just focus on PUL and forget about God or the Creator? After all, PUL is the dominant force for good in the universe."   My reply is No.  Our experience of PUL is at best sporadic, and people who routinely claim to project PUL are usually just being pretentious.  "Pure" means uncontaminated by ego-based motives and "unconditianal" means "universal and independent of how the other is behaving towards you." None of us are capable of this on a consistent basis.

Consider what St. Paul teaches on this issue:

"But when the Holy Spirit controls our lives, He will produce this kind of fruit in us--love, that is, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22)."

Paul implies here that we are incapable of PUL from our own efforts. Rather, through prayer and meditation, we must commune with the Holy Spirit, so that the Spirit can manifest these qualities through us, qualities that break PUL down into its component parts.  

New Agers should ask themselves this question: If PUL is a basic principle determining our spiritual progress now and in the afterlife, then who created this PUL?  If we admit the answer is our Creator (God), then the next question is this: Does this not imply that God is love as the New Testament teaches?  If the answer is Yes, then two more questions logically arise: (1) Must we not strive to fuel up and continually refuel on PUL from the source (God or the Holy Spirit)?  We can only refuel on PUL through regular prayer and meditation that is integrated with a life dedicated to loving service to others.  (2) Might not the Source of PUL delight in having PUL directed at "Him" (It, etc.) just as we direct it to others?   Indeed, might not the continual direction of PUL to God be the key to channeling it more frequently to others?  If the answer is Yes, then recognize that this is the true meaing of the word 'worship."  

Don

P.S.  Albert, I use the New Living Translation of Galatians 5:22, but make one change--"love, that is...."  I make this change because in Greek "fruit" is singular and refers exclusively to "love."  Love is not just one of a series of virtues listed. Rather, the other virtues expand on the meaning of love as a "fruit" (singular) of the Holy Spirit.

Shirley wrote on Apr 24^th, 2007 at 7:34pm:

Nice post  and I agree with you..

Don:

I agree that it is very important to not forget the source of PUL. If it weren't for the source, we wouldn't have the fortune of experiencing PUL. I guess if Seth told people that their parents lack self awareness, some of them would start acting as if their parents didn't exist.

So, after all, wouldn't it be the most safe way to learn something without being deceived, tricked and mislead, when one forgets about all religions and holy persons and instead turns to something like Zen-meditation or a basic abstract version of TMIs focus-level states and then see what comes across (when someone has achieved already some level of self-reflectiveness, otherwise all is nothing anyway) ? We often have here those discussions about was it Jesus or just a pretender or Mohammed and so on... you know, that's a bit unnerving isn't it...

Spooky

As opposed to answering by referring to book knowledge, I'll answer by referring to experience. When I've experienced divine love I've felt like I was in touch with the most precious and beautiful thing I've ever been in touch with, even though I didn't see anything. I didn't wave my fist at this presence and shout "I'm your equal!" I felt too much gratitude, humility, reverence, appreciation, loyalty and love towards it to even consider such a way of thinking. I guess you could call the presence I was in touch with "God."
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Albert, I've never read a more eloquent expression of this point.  I object to the conventional New Age "I am God" theology, often expressed as "God Is All That Is."  But it is not the metaphysical flaws of this conception that limit spiritual growth and experiences of divine presence.  Self-deification usually robs the seeker of the very humility and gratitude that are automatically felt in a divine encounter.  As your experience attests, it is best to experience God and His PUL directly and then recognize the emotions that naturally arise in response to this awesome encounter.  In my own experience and those of everyone I know, the emotions and attitudes that you describe always accompany the enncounter.

Shirley, Jesus accepts worship throughout His ministry (e. g. Matthew 2:2, 8, 11; 8:2; 14:33;  15:25; 28:9 28:17).   By worship is meant profound respect and adoration.  Many Christians also direct petitionary prayer to Jesus.  But Jesus would not approve of this.  Jesus never teaches His disciples to pray directly to Him.  He teaches them to pray to God ("the Father") in His [Jesus'] name and with His authority (John 16:22-23).

Don

Thank you Albert for such a beautiful description of experiencing the Divine within each of us. 

As I read through these posts I was reminded of an experience I went through many years ago where I felt completely and totally abandoned by God.  Never in my life had I felt such mental and emotional pain.  I remember laying in bed one night and screaming out to God, “Where are you?  Why did you leave me?”  It took a while until I eventually realized that it wasn’t God that had abandoned me, it was me who had abandoned God.  My words reminded me of what Jesus had said on the cross, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”  To me Jesus had experienced hell and that’s what hell is… abandonment from God or where we have completely cut our self off from our Divine essence within. 

In short, our fearful beliefs are how we distort and block our divine essence from flowing freely through us.  God (Divine essence) is always within us… we are never left alone.  Now when I read something like what Matthew quoted from the Old Testament, "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 
And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart.”  I do not see this as “a commandment” rather I understand this as being more like a promise of a blessing.

Or Don’s quote from the New Testament, "But when the Holy Spirit controls our lives, He will produce this kind of fruit in us--love, that is, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22)."

And, “Paul implies here that we are incapable of PUL from our own efforts. Rather, through prayer and meditation, we must commune with the Holy Spirit, so that the Spirit can manifest these qualities through us, qualities that break PUL down into its component parts.” 

This is not something that we do, this too is automatically given or to say this in another way, once the divine essence within is flowing freely through us, we cannot help but produce these qualities or the “fruit of the spirit” because that simply is who we are or the stuff that we are made of.  Once we realize and experience this… as Albert so beautifully describes,

“When I've experienced divine love I've felt like I was in touch with the most precious and beautiful thing I've ever been in touch with, even though I didn't see anything. I didn't wave my fist at this presence and shout, "I'm your equal!" I felt too much gratitude, humility, reverence, appreciation; loyalty and love towards it to even consider such a way of thinking. I guess you could call the presence I was in touch with "God."

We think that these spiritual experiences are few and far between, but they need not be.  It is only a matter of letting go of our fearful beliefs that cause us to distort and block the influx of the Divine essence into our physical being. 

As Juditha said, “God is PUL within us.”  To experience this automatically is to go through the process of letting go of our fears and insecurities, and then, perhaps even suddenly, a great healing takes place and we truly are born anew.  And what is even more amazing is that we realize that the Divine was there within us all along.

Love, Kathy