DocM wrote on Apr 19^th, 2007 at 5:25pm:

Most Christians that I know of promote or believe in such a hell.. Which is a mockery to the true God and a terrible lie that consumes people with fear of God.. How do you think the true God feels about their lies...

DaBears -
  Did you not read past the first paragraph of what I wrote?  We totally disagree.  I didn't change the topic.  Talking about evil sets up the great respect that God gives our free will.  That free will can take us to hell if we so choose.  Hell exists.  Not just as a projection or as a figment of an imagination, or a belief system.  Jesus warns us against it for good reason.

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Great post my friend!
BTW how do you change the TOPIC!!! [/quote]

pratekya wrote on Apr 19^th, 2007 at 8:52pm:

Great post my friend!
BTW how do you change the TOPIC!!! [/quote]
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I know we disagree, your opinion sounded logical and interesting.. I will stay with my belief though..

I said change the topic, because people were complaining about my topic.. And I have tried to change it to nothing but stress.. But it just stays the same.. I didn't mean you changed the topic...! 

MacTec said: If I can't empower people or spread light, what's the point?


I wish more people had this attitude. You're right its not the same as in the days Bruce was here more often, but I'm still glad I met you as you just fed me.I must say I've done a lot of editing on me own posts over the years! 


Say there Alex, I never knew you had dreams like that, it kinda hurts my heart to see someone I like going thru that..must be a reason so you will come out stronger? this is what I envision for you anyway. but your confession if I may call it that, it shows exactly why you posted the title as you did.

I also believe as many do, that there will always be consequences to injure another intentionally, whether here or there. but I hardly think that dwelling on demons and hell serves any purpose whatsoever. simply put, we help each other with moving on from suffering, thru retrievals here or there. and if there is suffering and hell, it's not a static geographical location, its a state of mind.
Alex, wasn't your father a minister? did he indoctrinate you? its none of my business really, I just had this memory of you saying your dad was a minister. I should think it would be doubly hard to have a minister for a father.

As far as Howard Storm choosing to send himself into hell..I think that's sick and masochistic. I wouldn't touch that book with a ten foot pole as I believe in happy endings and thats my choice to believe in love conquering any error or sin. and if y'all didn't have any cheerleaders you'd all be in massive trouble, so accept me.

nah, I don't care if anyone accepts me, I just dislike seeing so many serious mugs around here never can lighten up and let down their guard for a single minute.

now, PUL, if I may talk about that...it's like the sun, it shines on the just and the unjust. but some can't feel the warmth of the sun, but see, that's why someone comes along and starts talking about the sun. and just because the sun shines on the unjust the same, it doesn't mean they don't have to pay rent like everyone else.
we all gotta take the garbage out, no free rides anywhere, but sooner or later if you live long enough, you'll find a little gratitude goes a heck of long distance to create your future circumstance here or there.
may we all take care of each other instead of finding fault at every turn in the bend.

love, alysia

Berserk wrote on Apr 19^th, 2007 at 8:18pm:


Don, I think the very thing you are speaking out against here you perpetrate yourself on a regular basis. I find the term 'New Age Ghetto' quite insulting yet you act as though it is outrageous that posts with anti christian sentiments are made breaching Moen's Guidelines. Surely your constant reference to 'New Age Ghetto' and 'New Age Misconceptions' violates guidelines in the same way.

Of course you can still state your beliefs which are your own and do not fit with others, but it is the WAY you do this which turns some of us off. I agree the title of this thread would upset a few, but it is true that christianity promotes this doctrine, but I know that not every christian reveres it, but the fact is that most do.

This forum usually helps to enlighten me and raise my vibrations but it is sad the current 'us versus them' feeling in the forum from some posters. Whenever I tell others of this forum I usually comment on how good it is that there can be a forum of diverse spiritualities and beliefs which is informative & enlightening and where most get along.

Actually Alysia, Howard Storm's book is a wonderful book. It presents a positive way to be a Christian. He shows a lot of love for God and Christ, and speaks of them as being beings of wisdom and love, not vengeful beings of wrath.  He ended up in a hell like realm because that was the kind of person he was when he had his NDE. Not much different than what Bruce Moen writes. When he asked for help Christ came to the rescue and loved him unconditionally.


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As far as Howard Storm choosing to send himself into hell..I think that's sick and masochistic. I wouldn't touch that book with a ten foot pole as I believe in happy endings and thats my choice to believe in love conquering any error or sin. and if y'all didn't have any cheerleaders you'd all be in massive trouble, so accept me.

Don said:

"You bozos only learn through humiliation.   What a joke Moen's guidelines are!"

Do you really believe that?  How does humiliation fit into your spiritual quest?  I don't think Jesus speaks of the tough love of humiliation (correct me if I am wrong).  You can't see how sensitive a soul DaBears is, because it is not important to you.  You call Alysia's statement "ignorant and foolish."  Maybe there were things she didn't know, but why use those adjectives?

I may have been labeled "Matthew the Sanctimonious" by you in the past, but I wear that monicker as a badge of honor.  The more I read and learn of the experience of others, the more profoundly I am convinced that the heavens are based on love.  Every interaction I have with people now, in the background, I check with myself and see if I am acting in a loving manner (this all happens in an instant).  As such, the idea of trading insults goes completely against my grain.

I can stand toe to toe with you Don, in debate - our NDE thread has proved that - however, it is not to get gratification at name calling or one upmanship; rather to exchange knowledge and learn from each other.  I have continued to address your interesting challenge by adding NDE examples from all over the world (check yesterday's post).

I believe that the long time members here can post and get their points across without the use of humiliation tactics - this does not require stifling freedom of speech; just the mutual use of the golden rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto yourself.


Matthew