Hi Ronedale, have you ever investigated or studied the Cayce material?   If so, what do you think of it?

  There are actually warnings in that material regarding certain aspects of (particularly mediumistic) channeling as well.  Among some of the things said by Cayce's source is to not listen to any spirits or channels who deny the life, example, death, and resurrection of Yeshua.   Cayce had a lot of rather psychic people seek readings over the years, various channelers/mediums, people who saw auras, people who saw visions, clairaudient folks, automatic writers, etc.

   In any case, i believe channeling is a very, very complex and many shades of gray issue.  Even though i like, respect and believe a lot of the Cayce material, i do not believe it is completely free of errors or what Cayce's source called "wavering" not to mention the automatic skewing which happens when trying to translate nonphysical awarenesses, info, etc. into understandable left brain info and language. 
There are some good outlines in this material about channeling and the various factors involved beyond the obvious ones of a misleading or a simply ignorant guide verse a very deeply spiritually attuned Being being involved. 

  In Cayce's own example, even simple things such as his diet and health at the time could and did affect the quality and flow of the info.   Or the influence and thoughts of various people that were in the room when he was giving a reading, especially if there was any emotionally charged feelings/thoughts going on.  This could and sometime did affect and influence the content or the accuracy of the info.

  The best and most clear readings that Cayce gave, tended to follow a common pattern where Cayce was in good health, in good mood preferably after prayer with a group of people, and oft times they would tell jokes before a session, the person seeking the info was seeking out of a helpful motivation to both self and others (not just mere curiosity or even worse material greed, ego, etc.) and the state of those surrounding Cayce at the time of the reading and them being positive as well as Cayce the actual "channel". 

  Even factors such as his source saying that Cayce was primarily positively charged in nature, and so the best person to ask the questions during the session would be primarily negatively charged in nature in order to create a better balance. 

  Basically meaning ( i think) that Cayce was more "masculine" than not, or imbalanced towards that and that someone more passive and feminine/yin in nature and imbalanced towards that. 

   And this is just a few of the major factors involved, let alone the subtlies which are harder to gauge.  Cayce fortunately never had any deeply negative beings come through, though occasionally a discarnate or averagely attuned Soul would communicate via Cayce.   But he wasn't a medium or channel in the conventional sense, he didn't let other consciousnesses into his body, he would relay and communicate info that they were giving him.

  In other words, Cayce was and acted like a super sensitive radio receiver, and the right conditions had to be present for a more accurate, helpful, holistic, and broad reading to come through.   Occasionally some of these did not "line up", sometimes certain aspects did and others didn't.   Sometimes all the major factors were all harmonious and more towards the spiritual.

  Some Cayce researchers have identified up to 10 or 12 various sources for the actual info, including everything from subconscious minds of various personalities, spiritual "masters", Christ, Archangels, various guides under the Elders, the Universal consciousness itself, the Akashic records, the material forces (the "lowest", least helpful, or accurate source), discarnate people.

If Cayce didn't go so deep in his trance and submerged his conscious personality so much, he would have been a much, much worse and inaccurate channel because he lacked the necessary balance between body, mind and spirit that really accurate and helpful info requires to come through. 

  His own source oft said that Cayce needed much more spirituality in his life (for better, more holistic, and clear info to come through), or pointed out his lack of physical health and unwillingness to gain more discipline along those lines and that made the quality of his readings suffer.   

  Yes, it seems way too many really over simplify the nature of channeling or of obtaining psychic info in general.   And yet, does this mean we should completely turn away our ears towards those that would act as channels?   To me it doesn't, but rather discernment is very important.   The motivations, intents, etc. of the channel themselves, the people seeking the info, etc. are the most important factors.   

   To me it seems that the New Age in many respects has become just another capitalistic business, and many are trying to materially profit of it with little real service towards others.   I'm not against channels charging some money for their services, but such things as a sliding scale, only trying to cover one's basic necessities, helping others freely sometimes, etc. all seem to be the hallmark of a truly spiritual channel, such as Gordon Smith, Cayce, or the likes.   Notice how these tend to be more accurate on average and can answer very specific questions and have many verifications?

  A big key is their motivation, more so to help others than to just make a living.   I think people who charge 700 dollars a pop and who seek a lot of celebrity are probably best left alone or at least approached with wide open eyes and ears.

 

Ahso:

Thank you for a detailed description of what Edgar Cayce did. I was under the impression that he allowed spirits to enter him.

My feeling is that as long as one doesn't live completely according to divine will, they aren't going to be a completely clear channel. I've had extensive contact with spirit beings who represent the light, and I've found that even though I've worked on myself a lot and have received a lot of energtic work, it isn't that easy to receive messages. I'm good at receiving visual imagery and waking dreams, but when it comes to receiving thoughts and hearing voices my interpreter will get in the way at times. This is one of the reasons that I doubt that the people from ACIM and Conversations with God spoke with the spirits they claim to have spoken with. It is hard to imagine that they received word after word as they supposedly did so easily. Perhaps an earthbound spirit could communicate to them easily, but a spirit from a realm of light? I believe that you need to up your vibrational rate a bit before you can make contact in such a manner. I'm not 100% certain.

Regarding the book "A siren call for hungry ghosts" it is possible that some of the channelers were faking it, some were tapping into their subconscious mind, and some were making contact with deceptive spirits. The main entity Joe Fisher had contact with stated that Jesus Christ is a being of just average development.  

recoverer wrote on Apr 19^th, 2007 at 2:44pm:


  Your welcome.  No way Jose, though i can't say it never happened.  But usually (the huge majority of the time) he spoke in his voice (with less of a southern accent though), and it seemed at times like he was "conversing" and relaying info.

  Basically before every reading, he would pray to God and while praying would put his hands to his forehead, and usually he would see a flash of light (i believe sometimes golden, and sometimes a different shade).   That was the "sign" to him that he could give the reading, and when he got this sign, he then put his hands down to rest on his solar plexus area and would start to get very deeply relaxed and would go through and past the R.E.M state.  When his eye lids started to flutter, then someone would give him suggestions to start the reading.

    I imagine that if we could have measured his brainwave states, that on average it would have been from mid/deep theta to mid delta state.   Quite deep in other words, and probably is part of the reason why he rarely remembered any of the reading itself.  But that is just conjecture on my part.   

  His source talked a lot about the endocrine glands and how they are a materialization of the spiritual centers, and it said that Cayce primarily operated through his Pineal gland when giving a reading.   This means, he was entering into a rather deep and expanded level of consciousness on average--rather universally oriented.  This ability was primarily linked to his motivation and spiritual ideals-- to help all regardless, and linked to several lives part of his Disc which were/are very spiritually intune, more so than Cayce was during most of his life.

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   Yes, i tend to agree with the above, though again i see some subtlies in there as well.   For example, we all have what i call our average or primary vibratory level, but during sincere prayer, meditation, helping someone out relatively selflessly, etc. we can tempoarily raise our vibratory state.  For example in E.C.'s case, since he lacked the balance and consistent spiritual livingness, he had to go very deep within self to lose self (or the conscious, left brain self) and become more purely receptive/passive in nature, hence "unconscious" to C1 consciousness.   Going so deeply in trance allowed him to somewhat get around the distortion that his conscious personality would have "interjected" into the readings.  I also think he got a lot of help from some very powerful and intune "guides" to help out.
  He did get increasingly and more clearly psychic in his waking state as he got older, and started to remember once in a while a bit here and there of the readings he gave.   Basically the more spiritual he became, the more karma he balanced, the more he came close to that state where he might have been able to obtain such universal, detailed, and accurate info in waking state as well.

  Regarding Conversations with God, i agree, i tend to see it more as inspirational writing which is essentially coming from his higher/total self, but of course it has a shading in of his C1 personality and consciousness as well.   I agree with a lot in there (of what i've read), but certainly not even close to all.

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  I agree, there are probably various factors different to each case.  Then there is also always the question, how verifed is Joe's accounts to begin with?   Do we know he really met with a bunch of different practicing mediums, etc., and have all these experiences?   Can we prove such things?  How do we know he's not just a Christian fundamentalist or corporate/gov. disinfo agent trying to smear anything related to channeling, psychism, or what not?  What is Joe's deeper motivation, intent, etc.?   

  I really don't know since i haven't read the book, nor even the reviews yet, but these are just some of the questions that come to my mind (i try to consider as many possibilities as i can).   We need to look at not only the channels and their motivations, but also at the people who are writing about them as well.

  Thanks for the further info and the link, i had started to read the reviews after i wrote the above.

  Interesting stuff.  Yet, look how many mediums, psychics, etc. are out there and whose lives are not being so adversely affected.   Cases like the above, seem to be more the minority.   It seems a indicative sign of whether or not someone is in touch with more helpful and loving consciousnesses, is simply just the average state of the person's sense of well being and happiness (unless of course some very stressful and hard to deal with C1 issues are going on).   Is the person more depressed than not, do they have the abilitity to take joy in simple things, to laugh, make jokes, smile often?   

To be sure, sometimes a real channel is very tested by life and their karma, and so temporary and even deep depression can occur, but if they are truly in touch with universal and loving sources, this will eventually bring joy, peace, and the likes to both self/the channel and to others.    I guess that whole fruits thing that Yeshua said applies well. 

  I think its also important to remember that Fear itself can become a powerful Siren Call, and if we focus too much on the negative, it can attract that too. 

  Personally, i wouldn't ever let another consciousness occupy my body, and until i gain more balance and love, i'm not even trying to develop my more general psychic abilities.   I'll let them unfold like a flower in their own good time, and not try to force or rush the process.

  Maya, maya, maya everywhere but not a drop to help.