HI everyone! Im new here, so I will try to ask a quick question...Do you know anything about the channeled spirit "Elias"? I have read some things and it sounds very interesting! What are your views about it? At the same time, a session costs lots of money, then i was wondering whether it was genune or not... thanks!

There are several wisened entities being channeled to the faithful (usually for a profit - not prophet).  Ramtha, Seth (used to be), and others.  Often there are thousands of sessions, so these entities or their channelers really do like to talk.  Some will give readings for a fee (hey those channeling have to eat too).

As to Elias, I can not speak about him or Mary the one who exchanges energies (channels).  All, I can say is that I, myself got a bad vibe from the website (watching a video of the channeling), and from occasional Elias disciples who inflicted their venomous stings on me a year or so ago in this forum. 

The thing about taking down everything that a channeled entity might say is that it is decidedly different than exploring on your own.  You end up being able to quote chapter and verse about the cosmos, our purpose in being, etc....but you don't necessarily FEEL it or have your own personal transcendant epiphany.


Matthew

In one session, Elias actually claims that Jesus was never crucified, but rather died in Macedonia in his 40s!   Hey, that means St  Paul might have had a beer with Jesus when he arrived in Philippi in Macedonia.  I wonder why Paul never mentions this since he implies that he never met Jesus in the fliesh.  Duh!  Elias's channel, Mary, is either a con lady or  a deluded New Ager who might serve as the perfect guru for gullible historical illiterates.

Don

Regarding Seth/Jane Roberts and their denial of the crucifixion, here's what they had to say. They used the gospels to feebly attempt  to prove their point, so there in no need for people who don't believe in the gospels to remove them from the argument. I'm far from being a Biblical expert, yet I could see the inconsistencies.

They claim that Jesus wasn't crucified, but instead Judas arranged to have a mentally disabled person drugged so he could be crucified instead of Jesus. This was done without Jesus knowing about it.

a. If this is the case, why did Jesus tell his disciples during the last supper that somebody would betray him and then referred to Judas?
b. If he could know about a betrayel, couldn't he know about a plan to have an imposter crucified in his place? Would he allow such a thing to take place?
c. Wouldn't some key people realize that somebody other than Jesus was being crucified?
d. What kind of wonder drug did Judas find that enabled him to convince a mentally disturbed man that he was Christ?

Jane Roberts/Seth claim that Jesus was a great psychic and had wounds appear on his hands so that when he returned to his disciples they would know it was him. Wouldn't they know if he had left their presence?  And again, if Jesus was a great psychic, wouldn't he know about the hoax?

The above is from Seth Speaks. In another Jane Roberts/Seth book, the one with the photos, they completely contradict themselves by stating that the crucifixion wasn't a physical event but something that happened at the "dream level."

If Seth/Jane Roberts attacked the reputation of Christ directly people might be detered to read what they have to say. So instead they speak as if Christ is the Mesiah, but state insulting things about him.  In the books "Seth speaks" and "A nature of a personal reality; in addition to the denial of his crucifixion, they attack his reputation by completely twisting the meaning of three of his most famous sayings. For example, when it comes to the saying love your neighbor as yourself, they said that Jesus was just making a joke because nobody loved their neighbor as themselves at the time. If the obviousness of the true interpretation isn't clear, all one has to do is read the other verses that surround the verse in question, and it is very clear that he meant love your neighbor as yourself. The below is from the Sermon of the Mount.

 43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
 44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.


Some people say the Elias is a Seth copycat. If he does things like deny the crucifixion he certainly sounds like one. When you deny the crucifixion you deny the faith of so many people.

What I find odd is that some people like channelled sources that afirm the crucifixion, plus they like channeled sources that deny it. It doesn't even matter if deniers contradict each other. For example the Matthew readings (the lady who supposedly channels her deceased son) says that Jesus was whipped and then allowed to go, and Jane Roberst/Seth say their substitution nonsense.




Berserk wrote on Apr 16^th, 2007 at 4:37pm:

Just to add one comment to the discussion.....it never ceases to amaze me that the same people who disregard the Bible or the teachings of Jesus have absolutely no hesitation in believing that everything a channeled entity says is the absolute truth.  Also, people who believe both ACIM and Seth apparently don't read them with a critical mindset, because there are stark contradictions between (and within) both of those materials.

By the way, I would add the same caution regarding the many accounts of retrievals we read about.  This is only my own belief, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of retrieval accounts are bogus.  I'm not saying the people who post the accounts are deliberately trying to deceive.  It's just that they are unable to separate the real from the imaginary.

Hey, thanks for your messages! First of all, I would like to say that I am horrified by what happened yesterday In Virginia, and I send all my love to the victims and their families.

   I would like to say that I know a bit about Seth, but Elias is kinda new for me. Elias says that money is meaningless, and that it doesn't buy freedom. But at the same time, Mary Ennis (the channeler) charges $250 per session. Does it mean that she doesn't believe in what Elias says?

  I have always been careful with those who charge money for such things, because when it becomes a business, it loses all credibility.

Hi Gemini,

One of the nice things about this conversation board is that we can have disagreements, while maintaining a dialog because we’re primarily interested in exploring the afterlife and consciousness.  The appeal of this site is that Bruce’s books and most people here maintain that the best way to discover and explore these areas is by experiencing them and making your own judgments.

The criticisms so far of Elias and Jane Roberts/Seth fall into two categories.  One is that some readers treat their understanding of whatever Elias or Seth said as absolute infallible truth and can be quite irritating as a result.  The other category is that Seth and evidently Elias contradict some central aspects of Christian doctrine.  Both criticisms are correct.

I’ve read most of the Jane Roberts books and as a whole found them to be credible and quite helpful to me.  The fact that Roberts could go into a trance and dictate entire books over a period of time with a well formed structure and coherent content strikes me as adding to her credibility and Seth’s.

The Elias transcripts are very difficult to wade through and much less coherent because of the sheer volume of material.  There’s a book, The Shift, compiled by David Tate that takes excerpts of the Elias transcripts and puts them into a coherent form.  I’ve only read about 20% of it, so my opinion is still out.  I would say that it has made some good points that are worth thinking about.

You’ve indicated some curiosity about Elias.  I’d suggest that you get the book and read it and see what you think.  We usually don’t agree with everything a book says, but we sometimes gain information and insight from reading them.  Some books are more helpful than others but which ones depend on you, your needs, and your own curiosity.  One thing that both Seth and Elias maintain is that we should chart our own courses.

If you haven’t read them you might consider Bruce’s and Monroe’s books.  My course right now is to go to the TMI Gateway Voyage and keep working with Bruce’s exercises in the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook.  It’s time for me to explore and experience things on my own, rather than just read.

Happy Exploring,
Rob

Hi Gemini  I subscribe to get free transcripts of the channelled material of Elias.

The lady who channells him is quite busy due to the demand for the readings. She does not have much time to herself. I have spoken to her. A lovely lady.
you can google in to the site, Elias and get these transcripts once or twice a week. that way you can read them and make a better decision whether to get a personal reading.

entirely free are the transcripts and you can learn as much that way as getting a personal reading and paying all that money.

as you can tell, I never felt the need for a personal reading. the one thing I learned from reading the transcripts (I just slide over personal concepts and go to the meat)

the one thing I learned was that I should always feel free to be myself and express myself as life is too short as Dave says, to drink sour wine...lol...

Elias is a loving and jolly soul who once had a projection here as Oscar Wilde.

he is of good humor, which is hard to find in this world, so I hope you enjoy studying him as much as I have and can feel the loving vibes. as with any study of seriousness, there is no fast food drive thru enlightenment process, but it is worth it to have a look at everything without preconceived bias.

love, alysia