Shirley wrote on Apr 17^th, 2007 at 8:51pm:

Yeah, people need to earn a living somehow.. I would do the same thing, if I was a psychic..

Gemini-

I suggest that you consider this quote from one of the posters, and carefully think through its implications.  It really tells you all you need to know about the new age mindset.

<<<Elias is a loving and jolly soul who once had a projection here as Oscar Wilde.>>>

It's a vivid reminder that new agers will accept anything a so-called channeled entity says.  The quality of discernment, which is important to apply no matter what the subject matter, seems to be lacking. 

Truth is, Elias may or may not be a channeled entity, and may or may not have been Oscar Wilde.  No one knows either way, they are just repeating what they read as if it were chiseled in stone.

After you've been on this website for a while, you'll notice that this is a common characteristic of many (thankfully not all) of the posters.

As I said before, caveat emptor.

I didn't want to do this because I don't like to be a spreader of fear, but before people start believing every channeled source that exists, they might want to check out this book. Joe Fisher took the time to investigate the stories that channeled spirits shared, and found that they weren't true. The spirits he exposed ended up haunting him until he commited suicide.

I do want to add this. He had the power and freedom to travel around and investigate their bogus stories, challenge them while they were channeled, and a write a book that exposed them. Other people were also free to end their association with the spirits channeled, even though the spirits made some threats. Therefore, it is possible that he had the same power and freedom when it came to his choice of committing suicide. It is hard to say, because that part of the story isn't included in his book.

If you read his book it is clear that the channeled sources he ran into weren't beings of love and light.

http://www.amazon.com/Siren-Call-Hungry-Ghosts-Investigation/dp/1931044023

http://www.paraview.com/fisher/index.htm

http://www.anomalist.com/milestones/fisher.html

Many thanks, Im going to order the book! Maybe I will see "channelers" differently after reading it! Anyway, if Elias is genuine, then there are other ones who are probably not! Thanks, once more! 

Rob:

I guess I see things differently. Since Jane Roberts/Seth intentionally try to belittle Christ and his teachings, I feel no need to be educated (and often mislead) by them. To me a connection at one's heart level is more important than book knowledge, even if that book knowledge is correct on occasion.

Here's another example of how Jane Roberts/Seth tries to twist Christ's teachings. They state that when Jesus said to show a person your left cheek after having your right cheek struck, Jesus was suggesting that a person rolls up and plays dead like a possum (I don't remember a tactic). Therefore, they reduced another one of Jesus' famous teachings from a spiritual teaching to a defensive tactic. Below is this teaching with surrounding verses.
 

From Matthew:
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)
A parallel version is offered in the Sermon on the Plain in the Gospel of Luke:

From Luke:
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you." (Luke 6:27-31. NIV)

Rondele quotes me:  <<<Elias is a loving and jolly soul who once had a projection here as Oscar Wilde.>>>
then states his/her opinion:
It's a vivid reminder that new agers will accept anything a so-called channeled entity says.  The quality of discernment, which is important to apply no matter what the subject matter, seems to be lacking.
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I would only say I have beliefs and opinions. I am proud to be called a new ager now, so that no longer bothers me. Rondele's answer to my "belief", my opinion is to answer me with her own "belief, and opinion."

None here have absolute truth in the palm of their hands and we should respect each other's beliefs.

I offered my reply to Gemini for scrutiny and told her to investigate. This was and is my experience with what I read and meditate on is very valuable. Rondele assumes I'm simple minded and will accept any channelled material no matter what the lack of spiritual discernment "seems to her" to be.
another opinion offered. I just want Gemini to understand all these opinions thrown about here are just words...you have to make your own decisions.

I don't think Seth and Elias get a fair shake here. I think the Seth material changed the world, or else we wouldn't even be here discussing it now would we? and since we weren't there at the time of Christ's crucifiction in this particular physical vehicle, then we are just conjecturing on what really happened here. the truth would not change the fact that a lot of good thought is in the Seth books, one of a kind material.

my opinion for what it's worth, and to myself, I'm worth a lot!   is that the Elias material surpasses the Seth material in quality, believeability and genuine pearls of wisdom for all new agers who are discriminating..

now why don't you guys argue over the reptiles who are supposed to be living inside the Earth instead of Elias? 

and Gemini, I hope you find just the right material for your soul growth, to each his own, may we each enter the shift gracefully without condemnation of one another's beliefs, but with generosity of spirit, that that's why we come to Earth, to be perfected in love, just as the man who walked here did not go around condemning and attacking other's beliefs.

he just said forgive them. ok, I forgive you    lol. I'm out of here.

Alysia:

How can you suggest that you're discriminating when you won't even consider the points people make? You're able to write the below even though Seth purposely tries to discredit Christ? If I was dying of thirst in the desert I wouldn't accept a drink from Seth. People spoke against Elias because somebody asked. Channeled sources of information must love it when people won't question them.

Regarding the Crucifixion, Seth's argument against it is completely illogical and is contradicted by other channeled sources that also deny it. It is affirmed by a ACIM and Conversations with God. They can't all be right when they contradict each other.

When I first read what Seth had to say about the crucifixion I inwardly felt he was wrong. Nevertheless, I prayed and asked for an answer. I received the message that not only was Christ crucified, he was crucified willingly. Nevertheless, because I can be stubborn at times, one night I prayed before going to sleep and asked again.  I woke up in the middle of the night in my astral body, looked at my astral hands, and they were bleeding. I believe this was a strong confirmation that he was crucified. I've received two other messages that began with the showing of a crucifix. On other occasion I was simply shown a golden crucifix. Certainly part of the reason I was shown crucifixes in these instances was to make the point that Christ was crucified.

I don't understand why people have such a hard time believing Christ was crucified. Crucifixions weren't uncommon during his day. What is the motive of these channeled sources that deny Christ's crucifixion? If a person has any respect for Christ, I don't see how they can accept what such sources have to say about him. Sometimes people are too quick to justify.



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I don't think Seth and Elias get a fair shake here. I think the Seth material changed the world, or else we wouldn't even be here discussing it now would we? and since we weren't there at the time of Christ's crucifiction in this particular physical vehicle, then we are just conjecturing on what really happened here. the truth would not change the fact that a lot of good thought is in the Seth books, one of a kind material.