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Apr 5th, 2007 at 10:01am
 
I have, as many of you know, been puzzling over a series of dreams and graphical images I received the other night, and someone brought up the prospect that the meaning could be a springboard toward a divine revelation.  This led me to wonder, what is divine revelation and to whom is it granted?  Throughout history, we have heard of prophets, visionaries who have been privy to contacts with the divine, but how has their searches been different than the everyday person trying to put it all together?  Afterall, there are few like Moses, or even Swedenborg for that matter who commune with the divine, and feel that they have a direct revelation from God.  Why, for instance was the atheist Howard Storm chosen in a NDE to have an in depth conversation with JC, after first being cast into a hellish plane?  Was he the only sinner to start praying for mercy after finding himself such?

On the one hand, multiple sources tell us to look not without ourselves, but within.  On the otherhand, it seems that certain people are chosen, specifically for revelation.  In the old testament, it seemed clear that Moses was chosen, and that he was not replaceable with another Israelite.  Throughout the old testament, the founders of Israel were given divine revelation from God through direct contact or angelic visitation.  Prophets also seem to have been specifically chosen in the past.  Yet how is the choice/revelation made?  More specifically, divine revelation almost seems to be driven by an external divine plan in many instances - this goes against New Age dogma which states that we are all equal and contine the divine within us.  The New Age idea is that we are all God in hiding.  What then, is behind divine revelation over the centuries that enables a handful of prophets and visionaries to be given direct access to God and heaven?

I would like to hear from those on the board about this before giving my full impression.  I believe, to some extent that one must be open to the divine, by letting go of hindering belief systems or blocks.  I also believe that one has to be open to it, and by this I mean with the use of deferential intent.  Willful intent to commune with God, is different than an open invitation with respect, and deference. (Chumley will hate me for saying that).  

There is a notion, I believe of "grace," which is likely a prerequisite for reception of revelation.  Being receptive, open, losing hindering prior belief systems seem to be prerequisites to revelation.  

I would love to hear the input of others on this...


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Reply #1 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 11:26am
 
  It's amazing that you posted this only two days after the most wonderful experience in my life occurred. I had a divine revelation on tuesday while meditating. Somehow, I tapped into my kundalini and unravelled it into a pair of straight lines. Then I rose up through all of my chakras at an amazing rate of speed and went straight into god consciousness.

  Before this happened, I was using my mind machine with the @audiostrobe disc called "Children Of God". I remember seeing various alien beings, like the ones with the large oval eyes. It felt like they were downloading some sort of information into the back of my brain. The experience was incredibly wonderful. After the disc session ended, I continued meditating on what it all meant. I was sort of hanging around the etheric plane just taking it all in when I felt that my kundalini was unraveling. I wasn't startled, but wondered what it meant. Then I felt God's energy just grab me and lift me up until I had full awareness of everything. I didn't want to move a muscle as I felt that it would alter my ascension through the dimensions and planes that I was travelling through. I understood everything yet somehow knew that I couldn't bring that knowledge back with me once the experience was over.

  After I returned to normal consciousness, I went outside and put my back up against a tree and grabbed around it, feeling it's energy and connection with me and the rest of the world. I looked up into the sky and thanked God for the most wonderful experience I have ever had in my life.   Smiley

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Reply #2 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 12:00pm
 
I believe it is possible for many people to receive divine revelations.  It just so happens that some people who receive divine revelations end up playing a famous historical role, while others don't.

I believe that sincerity of purpose has something to do with it. If a person really wants to serve the divine cause in whatever manner is required of her (or him), rather than what benefits her personally, beings who represent  the light will respond to her accordingly.

It seems to me that a person like Howard Storm was humble enough to want to serve after his experience, rather than become the next super guru. He was provided with the experience he was provided with because the divine powers that be were able to see how he would probably respond. There are some exceptions. Some people have a divine experience, allow their ego to take credit, and the next thing you know you have the next super guru.
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Reply #3 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 12:01pm
 
Great experience Ralph. I receive information from divine guidance at the back of my head all the time. Did you hear and feel a pumping action?

What is your feeling of "no time" after having this experience?


Ralph Buskey wrote on Apr 5th, 2007 at 11:26am:
 It's amazing that you posted this only two days after the most wonderful experience in my life occurred. I had a divine revelation on tuesday while meditating. Somehow, I tapped into my kundalini and unravelled it into a pair of straight lines. Then I rose up through all of my chakras at an amazing rate of speed and went straight into god consciousness.

 Before this happened, I was using my mind machine with the @audiostrobe disc called "Children Of God". I remember seeing various alien beings, like the ones with the large oval eyes. It felt like they were downloading some sort of information into the back of my brain. The experience was incredibly wonderful. After the disc session ended, I continued meditating on what it all meant. I was sort of hanging around the etheric plane just taking it all in when I felt that my kundalini was unraveling. I wasn't startled, but wondered what it meant. Then I felt God's energy just grab me and lift me up until I had full awareness of everything. I didn't want to move a muscle as I felt that it would alter my ascension through the dimensions and planes that I was travelling through. I understood everything yet somehow knew that I couldn't bring that knowledge back with me once the experience was over.

 After I returned to normal consciousness, I went outside and put my back up against a tree and grabbed around it, feeling it's energy and connection with me and the rest of the world. I looked up into the sky and thanked God for the most wonderful experience I have ever had in my life.   Smiley

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Ralph

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Great experience Ralph. I receive information from divine guidance at the back of my head all the time. Did you hear and feel a pumping action?

What is your feeling of "no time" after having this experience?


  Now that you said it, I remember that I did feel a pumping action at the back of my head as well. I also forgot to mention that I experienced timelessness in an atmosphere where anything could spontaneously occur.

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Reply #5 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 2:24pm
 
Ken Wilber in his latest book makes an interesting observation.  He has a tendency to put things into a graphic form to clarify his thoughts.  He suggests that there are levels of development but that consciousness at any level has the ability to vertically rise and touch on the highest levels of consciousness.  Being able to do that, however, is not the same thing as existing at a higher level of consciousness.  In his graphic illustration he has horizontal levels but consciousness at any level can vertically ascend and touch on what we call the divine.  I also note for folks not familiar with Wilber that a higher level primarily means a level of consciousness that is broader and more encompassing of more limited aspects of consciousness.

I liked this observation and extending it to the current discussion, revelation may be available to a broad number of people.  But that does not mean that those people are at a higher or broader level of consciousness or development.  While I would say Moses and the prophets and others whom we see as having revelations of major social or cultural impact exist at those higher levels of Wilber’s grid.

Rob

PS I don’t recommend the book, Integral Spirituality, particularly except to ardent Wilber fans.  He's trying to integrate spirituality into post-modern thought and it was quite obtuse to me.  This observation though stuck in my mind.
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Reply #6 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 3:00pm
 
Greetings,

Besides our sincere intent to reach 'up' , would we also have to feel worthy
of receiving a response?  That might account for why some OT leaders received revelations and some New Agers do not. (Then too, some 'new agers' might have had true revelations but not had the inclination to publish them.)

I suppose the heavenly forces can read auric colors or in some other way
gauge who is ready for revelation by our energy patterns.

Does the energy accompanying the revelation help to authenticate it? For ex., Doc knew his fire scene was not just a story of camping outdoorsmen--how?

I am very very happy for you, Don, recoverer, and Ralph, and others who have received such a blessing!

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Reply #7 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 4:34pm
 
An additional thought to add to my previous post:

Moses would represent a higher level of consciousness in Wilber's scheme and as such his actions would probably be functional in the non-physical as well as the physical.
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Reply #8 - Apr 6th, 2007 at 1:51pm
 
The notion of divine revelation brings up an important distinction regarding God and the universe between what is called New Age thought, and conventional judeo-christian thought; that is the notion of an intelligence and purpose of God and the divine separate from ourselves.  This, I believe is Brendan's worst nightmare, for it is the concept that there may be a divine or cosmic thought process that transcends what we currently understand, but has within it its own intent.  So, Moses, the prophets, and others were given revelations by the word of God or angels.  If they are to be believed, this sets up a hierchical order and an intelligence in God and heaven (again, Chum's worst nightmare). 

The idea of a comsic intelligence or purpose is often in contrast to the notions of many New Age thinkers.  Some New Agers will say (as we have heard) - "there is no right or wrong, only experience and point of view."  Or, "we are not here on earth to learn, just to experience being alive." Or still, "we are all God, and since there is nothing external to us, there is no revelation to be given that we don't already know."   I think Don and I pretty much debunked this myth in our discussions on evil and PUL.  Namely, that if PUL is the ultimate driving force of God and the universe, it implies a "right" course of action (that which moves us toward PUL).  So a dichotomy is set up by proxy in the physical word; i.e. there must be a "wrong course of action."

That which is called divine revelation, if true, leads one to believe in a universe that is intelligent and has a purpose/intent to be revealed.  It follows then that right action would be to understand the purpose and work toward it.  Divine revelations thus support our need for action in the physical and spiritual planes.  At the same time, these revelations refuse to deny right and wrong action (or good and evil) exactly because there is intent and purpose in a thinking universe. 


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Reply #9 - Apr 6th, 2007 at 2:32pm
 
Sorry Mathew, I’ve been short on time this week.  Great thread btw.

To me divine revelation is the experience, recognition, and appreciation that we are spiritual beings not separate from God.  But that God flows from within each of us.  We all experience events (revelations) in our lives that bring us to understanding this within our hearts and minds.  I love the Old Testament and its history of peoples.  The stories told simply select leaders of the time in much the same way history books during our time might select leaders of influence for the US or any other country or culture.  This doesn’t mean only a select few are chosen for divine revelation… we all are chosen because we all are of God.

Swedenborg Chapter 5 Heaven & Hell seems relate to this subject.

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Reply #10 - Apr 7th, 2007 at 6:24am
 
Very thought provoking Matthew ! Cheesy

Matthew22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

I believe that both are correct that some are called from past lives as mystics , visionaries , prophets and so have a predilection to awareness but that all can chose with freewill to remove blockages and open to clairience . I think Grace come with service , love and light . By service we grow .

My peers and I have divine revelation in circle as mystics we have worked in countless lives before this one together . We continue to find capable new peers who seem ordinary but have profound contacts in NDE , dreams and visions with Christ and Buddha and other members of the Godhead of Earth .

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Aunt Clair wrote on Apr 7th, 2007 at 6:24am:
Very thought provoking Matthew ! Cheesy

Matthew22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

I believe that both are correct that some are called from past lives as mystics , visionaries , prophets and so have a predilection to awareness but that all can chose with freewill to remove blockages and open to clairience . I think Grace come with service , love and light . By service we grow .

My peers and I have divine revelation in circle as mystics we have worked in countless lives before this one together . We continue to find capable new peers who seem ordinary but have profound contacts in NDE , dreams and visions with Christ and Buddha and other members of the Godhead of Earth .




I believe that there is no one who is "ordinary" and that we are all "extraordinary" whether we know it or not.  It is simply a matter of being fully aware of our connection to the divine Source within us.

Additionally, each of us has something to learn from the other, at all times and in all places....

Ultimately, I believe that each moment of our lives is a "mystic" one, whether we recognize it as such or not.  When we do recognize it, "magic" surrounds us at all times in a loving embrace.

Embracing the mystery is what brings greater meaning to our lives.  Wouldn't you agree?

much love, blink Smiley
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Matthew22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


Jesus closed the parable of the wedding feast with this apocalyptic statement that comes from the Old Testament.  

The meaning in Greek is that the “many” and the “few” encompass everyone.  Everyone is called (invited) but only a few accept (receive) the invitation, therefore they are the ones chosen (selected) The Greek word for chosen also denotes (church) in the New Testament and seems to be related to the gospels not only having been given for the Jews, but for the Gentiles as well.  This then encompasses everyone (all of mankind) to receive that which comes from God.

The meaning of revelation is to “unveil” or to remove that which is covering something that has been concealed.  Humankind has covered the true essence of our spiritual nature and all that this encompasses.  This corresponds with what is called “original sin” which is the forgetting of who we really are.  Salvation is the remembrance or the revelation that we are spiritual beings brought forth from and by God in his likeness or that which we are inwardly drawn towards, which is love, goodness, peace, charity, service and etc.  The likeness of God is the harmony that is revealed within each of us.  This then is the very ground of our being and the essence from which we are made that is revealed.  The more we inwardly recognize the Divine essence within us, the more we are able to express outwardly the sacred divinity that we are.  

Love, Kathy Smiley
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Reply #13 - Apr 7th, 2007 at 1:58pm
 
I see divine revelation as a direct pipeline to god..then I have to define god and I can't do that!   so ok, a direct pipeline to unlimited intelligent overseers on nonphysical stature, like the disc idea.
I also see people are not needing to establish a direct pipeline to god until they get closer to transition, we come to Earth to experience the Earth, put your hands in the soil, have your babies, perform a job or service. control your passions and become like coal turned to gold.
going from being nonphysical to having and being inside a body, going through what that means with all it's different experiences, it can turn into from, "I'm trapped, to I'm really lucky to have a body." this an example of say, a handicapped person begins to feel gratitude for the things he can do, not for the things he can't do.

this gratitude acts to hone the soul into higher spiritual levels as all life looks upon this one that he has overcome, and so can they.

opportunity to gladden ourselves in times of trouble do appear everywhere if we could focus on that. it appears the human mind can only focus on one idea at a time, so we become with tunnel vision. so this mastery is for all, there is no special ones chosen, but rather they are the ones who choose for themselves as soon as they realize they can choose their own reality, which boils down to whether they will keep their peace of mind, their happiness, or let another, or a circumstance disrupt that center they are making within themself. that center is the left/right brain synchronization which causes spiritual centeredness also.

it also appears to me, we go home together, or we don't go home at all.
this is my idea of PUL intellectualizing. very difficult to decipher what comes through us, but is not made by the mind of a single man, therefore it is a grace, and it must be for all, or it can be for none because nothing is asked of us in order to receive it.
have to modify that: Smiley we do prepare a place for grace by focusing on ideals to make the world a better place for instance. we can get sidetracked easy. but in general, its a form of self disapline which causes growth. for me, as example, I was on stage. there was a song I wanted to sing but another stepped forward and sang it instead. I never got to express myself through this song. but I made a choice to not be competitive, and instead I saw the other singer as one with me. so there was no negativity, but growth instead to give to another what you yourself would desire to have. and I think this attitude will heal the world and I already see the effects of it doing so. hugs!!!
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Reply #14 - Apr 10th, 2007 at 3:27am
 
Hi all  Smiley

I love what you wrote Kathy; it is so true.

Matthew; I was thinking quite a bit about your vision and I believe Don named it so correctly.  I was thinking you may have experienced this special Divine Revelation in reality; it happened to you - you did not watch it - you experienced it and the nonburning fire washed over your body in the Spirit encompassing your whole body. 

I believe a Divine Revelation (of this order) is the Holy Grail.  It is the Holy Grail we all seek for and is personal to each one seeking for it according to : as you say Matthew 'Willful intent to commune with God'.  God tells us he will meet us when we are ready to meet him.

Just my further thoughts.

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