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Mar 29th, 2007 at 6:37am
 
2 Esdras 7: 48-51
"The evil impulse within us has grown and it has led us away from God's ways, brought us to ruin, put us on the way to death and destruction, and taken us far from life. It has destroyed not only a few, but almost everyone who was ever created."

"Listen to me", the angel said, "and I will teach you further and correct your thinking. Because only a few will be saved, God created two worlds, instead of only one. As you say, only a few people are righteous, but there are large numbers of wicked people'.

Two Worlds?

Rudolf Steiner
Occult Science
Two worlds have been evolving, as it were, in the human breast. The one is devoted to physical and sense-perceptible existence, the other is receptive to the revelations of the Spirit and though lacking direct vision, is ready to permeate the spiritual with feeling and emotion.

The inner tendencies to this duality of soul were already present when the Christ teaching found its way into the countries of Europe. The people received this new message of the Spirit into their hearts and drank it in with deep feeling, but could not build the bridge from it to what the intellect, directed to the senses, was discovering in outer physical existence.

Individualism in Philosophy
Thus the human being stands between two worlds; between the world that presses in upon him from outside and the world that he brings forth out of himself. His effort is to bring these two worlds into harmony. For, his whole being aims at harmony. He would like to live like the rose that does not ask about the whys and wherefores but rather blooms because it blooms.

The Theory of Knowledge Implicit in Goethe's World Conception
The human being finds himself confronted by two worlds whose connection he must establish. One of them is experience, about which he knows that it contains only half of reality; the other is thinking, which is complete in itself, and into which that outer perceptual reality must flow if a satisfying world view is to result.

As a citizen of two worlds — of the sense world and of the thought-world, the one pressing toward him from below, the other one shining from above — the human being takes possession of science, by which he joins the two into an undivided unity. From one side the outer form beckons to us, from the other side the inner essential being; we must
unite the two.

Two souls alas! reside within my breast,
And each withdraws from, and repels, its brother.
One with tenacious organs holds in love
And clinging lust the world in its embraces;
The other strongly sweeps, this dust above,
Into the high ancestral spaces.

FAUST, Part I, Scene 2.
(Bayard Taylor's translation.)

Philosophy of Spiritual Activity
We can then say: The world is given to us as a duality, and knowledge transforms it into a unity.

But side by side with this world, the child knew another world, a spiritual world, which was just as real and tangible to him as were the forests, fields and mountains surrounding him. This spiritual world was filled with objects and beings, just as the world about him contained stones and plants and animals and people. Even before he was eight, the child could distinguish between these two worlds, and the one was as clear and immediate to him as the other.

The Christ Impulse and the development of the Ego-Consciousness
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/ChristEgo/19100502p01.html

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Reply #1 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 12:42am
 
Ah Caryn, perpetual poet -

Is there not one poetry?
Transcendent, embracing all extremes, resolving all,
Bringing us at last to the Celestial Poet who first writ the world.

And all the rest, as Omar said.,
Is but the tinkling of a camel's bell.

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Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 2:40am
 
And when the tinkling of the camels bell puts you into a deep sleep - will you wake up?

The Kore Cosmu; Virgin of the World
Hermes Trismegistus

Next Earth stood forth, in bitter grief; and (when she was given leave to plead) she thus began:

‘O King and Father President of the over-arching spheres of heaven, and Governor of us, the Elements, that stand before thee .. I am dishonoured; trouble has risen up against me from mankind.  Having naught to fear, they commit all manner of crimes; slaughtered by every sort of cruel device.  Men fall dead on my plains.
O Lord, and I am soaked through with the juices of rotting corpses.

Henceforward, Lord, since I am forced to contain beings unworthy of me, I wish to contain, together, with all the things which I bring forth, God also.

How long shall thy terrestrial world peopled with mortals, have no God? Bestow upon Earth; if not thy very self – that I ask not for I could not endure to contain thee – yet at least some holy efflux of thee’.


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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 2:41am
 
St John 5

17.  But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18.  Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19.  Then answered Jesus and said unto them Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things so ever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20.  For the Father loveth the Son and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21.  For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son  quickeneth whom we will.
22.  For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23.  That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.  He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him.
24.  Verily,verily, I say unto you, He that hearth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.
25.  Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26.  For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.
27.  And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28.  Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice.
29.  And shall come forth they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30.  I can of mine self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 2:42am
 
Revelation 21

1.  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

10. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

11.  Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12.  And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written theron, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

13.  On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

14.  And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 10:43pm
 
Actually it seems to be up to us as to whether we hear the bells and salivate for more, like Pavlov's dogs,  or realize that all the noise and smoke and fire is the simply the complexity of the world we are leaving behind in trade for the single perception of God. 

It's not that we are required to choose, but it seems that we tend to do so anyway. Then, having chosen, we see primarily what we seek to see and lose sight of what we might have sought - almost. As in Ecclesiastes opening words, "Vanity, vanity. vanity of vanities. All is vanity, sayeth the prophet."

The camel's bell locates the camel. It tells us nothing of the desert which is to be crossed. Some people manufacture bells.  Some people like to breed camels. Others are interested in making the trip.

Then, having again arrived at chopping wood and carrying water, we see it all as the different scenes making up a single play, each in its place, each necessary for some purpose. There's nothing new there except that now we also see the entirety of the play and can go on to meet the Author.

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Reply #6 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 3:33am
 
Yes Vanity – I could not have said it better Dave.  Surely at some point traveling across the desert one reaches the understanding Divine interaction is working here - the very Divine interaction Whom created the Universes with all in it.  Not recognizing or worse dishonouring the Divinity of Creation is nothing less than vanity and the universe becomes a very small little place centered on ‘this is all about me – look at my power and see how great I am’. 

This is why Jesus said ‘Thou Will Father be done not mine’. 

Jesus, the Son of God, who healed the lame, cured the diseased, made the blind see and the death hear, who raised Lazarus from the dead, and who cast out plenty of demons out of people to make them well, who made the scales of film drop from the eyes so people could see the light.  And who said ‘It is not me it is my Father who worketh here’.

And for this they hated him because of their vanity they hated him. 

Jesus, the Son of God, came because He cared for humanity.  We could have been cast aside – a mean less rock floating in space with no destination, target for asteroids, (our planet could have been blown up long ago if it were not for God’s protection), and targets at the whim of darkness, those fallen entities who roam up and down.

Time, Times and Times half again the wheel turns.  For God has weighed this age, measured the years, and numbered the days.  Nothing will be changed until time has run its predetermined course.

Maybe, just maybe at some point the Angels will be told by the Father – don’t go down into the dark realms of man’s vain creations to rescue them – why they even say they rescue themselves. 

And still now God extends out his hand.  Is vanity preventing you from taking it?

It surprises me; all of you who claim to be spiritual travelers and seekers do not recognize God’s hand.  It is after all the very Essence of Spirit and Soul.

The subtle dishonouring and disrespect of this here in this forum is why I write this and is it not a sad day when a woman who is not ordained by God has to say these things to you? 




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Reply #7 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 10:51am
 
Caryn,

The motivation of these words here, I suspect, are lost on many people here....and those who do understand them know that you are quoting the bible and other works to them just as an ancient prophet would do while crying out from the wilderness.

Who is your audience?

Do you speak to us, or a specific one or two, or do you speak to yourself?

What is "righteous anger" and what is its source? 

All of us speak from it at times....how can we not?

I am your mirror. I am exactly like you. A reflection.

I choose to reflect your love to you, as does Dave.   

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Reply #8 - Apr 4th, 2007 at 2:33am
 
I write to anyone who cares to listen Blink.  Righteous anger belongs to something someone said to someone without
a thought of conscious in doing so.  This is my mirror Blink.

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Reply #9 - Apr 4th, 2007 at 8:38am
 
I like this quote from your first post here:

"Thus the human being stands between two worlds; between the world that presses in upon him from outside and the world that he brings forth out of himself. His effort is to bring these two worlds into harmony. For, his whole being aims at harmony. He would like to live like the rose that does not ask about the whys and wherefores but rather blooms because it blooms. "

This is a thought on which I have been meditating recently. I feel that sometimes it is the whys and the wherefores that can feel like separation to us and cause a disturbed mind which does not feel harmony at its core.  Even Jesus on the cross said, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? So, even the best of us can sometimes feel deserted and alone in our pain.

This is what Eckhart Tolle describes as the "pain body" I think. It is a part of us which reacts unconsciously at times because it is a part of us which has accumulated a history of all the slights and hurts that we perceived during our life....some would believe during our previous lives as well. So, when I speak of "ego" not being us, that is what I mean.  I come from that point of view, that, yes, it is sometimes a struggle not to "feed" that part of us which wants to stay alive.

But it is the joy that we feel when connected to our soul's true path that is what we must focus on to be happy. All of us deserve the rich happiness which comes from deep inside of us. Although the world may be a difficult place, and a discouraging one at times, there are those here who offer us examples of great courage and kindness.

All we have to do is look to be inspired. And when we recognize that these people are also our mirrors we know the truth about ourselves.

There are greater and lesser instincts within us all. We do not need to be ashamed of this, but only to learn and to continue to live with a sincere desire to align ourselves with what is good and true.  What is good and true is always from love, and it never gives up, and it never never fails to sustain us.

all my love to you and yours, Caryn  Smiley
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Reply #10 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 1:59am
 
mmm mutter mutter
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Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 8:34am
 
But side by side with this world, the child knew another world, a spiritual world, which was just as real and tangible to him as were the forests, fields and mountains surrounding him. This spiritual world was filled with objects and beings, just as the world about him contained stones and plants and animals and people. Even before he was eight, the child could distinguish between these two worlds, and the one was as clear and immediate to him as the other.  

He just rather tidily described being Pagan...
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Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 8:40am
 
"Mutter mutter"

?????

Speak up, mate, I can hardly hear ye!!!


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