Topic: Believing you’re doing it versus fooling yourself..

I kept thinking about what Bruce had said, in his books and maybe here on the forum too. here’s what he said and it works for me...”believing that you are actually doing ...(fill in the blank) is the hardest part of doing it.

this pertains to doing retrievals, or trying to remote view, or talking to your deceased grandmother or self retrieval, you name it..its the same process of getting beyond the doubt that you are capable or doing it, or getting information escapes your conscious mind in the here and now.

If you keep saying to yourself, “I can’t...I’m not capable..I’m not evolved enough...I’m less than so and so...I’m not in my last life...I’m not sensitive..I’m too logical....I’ll never do it...it’s too hard..these others are crazy....blah blah blah..we can talk ourselves right out of a splendid mind journey and actually have something which is experience to post here, to share. its what is real to you that matters, not to consensus agreement.

just try trusting yourself for once. PE is a good way to develop, as u can verify with your partner..allow room for initiatory failure and continue within trust.

if u don’t have a pe partner, ask for one to appear, see if that doesn’t knock your socks off when it happens.

as for the fear of fooling yourself, who here hasn’t played the part of a fool and survived? you get over your failures to stop feeling like an idiot when you’re willing to say let me try again..maybe this time it will work if I can just believe I am capable because I’m willing to try something different.

pulsar wrote on Jul 29^th, 2007 at 5:28pm:


practice makes perfect Pulsar. a suggestion, that u mention the spinning thoughts, we all suffer the spinning thoughts and the thoughts seem to keep us from going deeper and maybe picking up something useful. a meditation technique I found useful is to allow those thoughts, but allow them briefly; pretend the thoughts are guests in your home, and tell each of your guests to sit down and you will discuss things with them shortly, or another description could be to take each spinning thought and put them into a little suitcase (or large!) and you then attend to this suitcase of thoughts later, after the meditation objective, which I assume is to speak with grandmother. you have to be gentle with your guests or your thoughts, so that they do not become offended that you cannot give them audience for the time being.

like if one thought says "you promised you would mash the potatoes by noon."
then the thought may say, I'm reminding you of this. just talk to it, say thank you for reminding me of that, now have a seat and the potatoes can wait until 12:30.

if you do this consistently, you are going deeper where you can hear above the noise of the chattering mind. sometimes several approaches are helpful until pretty soon you can just enter that mind state without so much thoughts, or doubts. the mind of the surface, seems to be like a dog. ever notice how much a dog loves to learn new things from its master? it really wants you to be it's master and lovingly teach it new things.
it wants to do what you say so long as you don't abuse it, or yourself.

thanks for the opportunity, I hope maybe I can help.

let us know of your progress Pulsar, maybe someone else will benefit from you here.
you are right when the light enters the mind, the shadows of untruth dissolve. you are an eternal being and once we do transition, we can die without dying in the body, if you can understand, we can die to a fear construct which changes our vibrations so much that we rarely feel fear, which makes it so much easier to enjoy life, without all the fear generated by the collective. meditation becomes the standard way of moving about and through our journey. information can come from any source, both expected and unexpectedly to prove you are eternal.
blessings be

yet my opinion is that at first when we do start to receive such subtle perhaps, messages like what u received our first inclination is to mistrust it. its because it is unusual, we are entering new territory, i did think it was progress for you.
as i use my own comparison value. it is unusual that u have received the name Patrick, as most guides will not divulge a name, this I have seen reported. however, I have no room to talk, I received the name laughingrain for myself the same way u received patrick.

u must have asked for guidance, as i did also some years back. its funny, but the squeaky wheel will get the grease, so, ask and you will receive.
now i suspect there will be more, however, patience to practice, we can only fill up to the measurement of how empty our cup is.
meaning trust and feel deserving, as i can see you must be on a roll, so take advantage of it! love, alysia

most people are barely aware of nonphysicals..you seem aware of yours. one thought here is that guides or helpers can send you a thought that you had been searching for, and it seems like you thought of the idea so you claim it as your own, taking credit, so to speak.
which they want you to. they seem to have a rule to stay back and let you walk your walk, talk your talk.

to tell the truth if my disc is all my lives, those personalities wrapped up into one essence, then that makes DP understandable for TMI students, this being is now assimilated by laughing rain, or integrated I should say. I cannot say I channel him or he channels me. having guidance, and giving it a name, a lot of authors choose to write books that way or new age authors do, it helps to give guidance a name in writing about strange experiences of healing, insight, etc. but I have heard voices with how to receive healing, etc. and just may be the case it was DP occassionally. but there was also a woman.
we are not alone in any case as we think we are.

if I were to be able to see too much of any one life, I don't think I could handle it too well and still be the person I am now.

happy exploring Pulsar  btw, I'm re-reading Beyond All Doubt by Bruce now. you might want to dip into that, see what he went thru which is similar to what you're going through with the doubts..it helps to know others go thru similar growth spurts.
also set up a time each day, my suggestion when you decide to meditate and/or explore. If helpers know you are disaplining yourself at a certain time each day, it tends to make them hover to see if you need some aid, or make suggestions in your relaxing techniques.
at any rate, its a life style rather than fast food spirituality, you should give yourself credit you got this far. love, alysia
later....was thinking this morning about being a new consciousness on this Earth. each life is the opportunity to develop a new total person, and that is what I'm doing in a creative meditative sense, apart from what I think I may have been or done which seems all connected anyway as don't really see linear time as reality. certainly seems real enough though, but like I said before all my parts of myself are still living their lives, sometimes stuck there until I retrieve them.

so I'm living in all time state and it can be comfortable or uncomfortable if I get fearful about it. as a new person, I finally figured out what gift I can bring back to the disc, I can bring back a love and respect and compassion for all of humanity. I can feel the things they feel which makes us one.
may not seem like much of a gift to bring back, but everywhere I look I don't see people taking care of each other, so thats my gift this time around as I fill that shoulder to cry on all the time.

then after the tears, thats the important decision time for each. love, alysia

Just read this thread.  Interesting Pulsar!  It sounds like you're making good progress.  And Alysia makes a great guide or teacher in her own right.  My best - Rob

Hey there,

seems for the moment I lost the spiritual branch, for no good reason the process turns backwards....it does not work anymore...

Love,

pulsar

Greetings,

don't worry, I won't give up easily, just needed an answer on that you call lull, assimilation period. because after all I am uncertain about how to put this experiences together to make it a complete picture, to state intentions, not expectations. Time will tell.

"Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of the empirical world. All knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends in it." - Albert Einstein

Love,

pulsar