DaBears wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 1:48pm:

BRAVO!!!! I love Chumleys anti-christian threads!! It's classic!! Time to stop the fear based religion!!

DocM wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 3:56pm:

Yeah, I have nothing wrong with JC's teachings.. It's just most Christian fundies preach about hell fire and damnation more than just about love thy neighbor!

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B-man,

If you don't get it, you don't get it.  In the Torah from the old testament and the new testament there are certain over riding laws for leading a good life.  To love thy neighbor as thyself (this started in the Torah, NOT in the new testament by the way).  The 10 commandments are the cornerstone of both religions.  These commandments and "rules," are not given absolute consequences (i.e. what kind of hell you will go to if you kill or covet your neighbor's wife, or steal). 

There is no one on this site posting at the present time, who is a literalist Christian, dogmatically saying the letter of the law without interpretation of the spirit it was written in.  JD doesn't post here anymore (to my knowledge).  Your idea that JC would/should not communicate with OOB DUde because he did not say a certain sinner's prayer, or because Dude questioned JC's physical existence is, (gee I don't want to say moronic since I know you are smart) misguided.  No one believes in this literalist interpretation of Judaism or Christianity on the board now, least of all Don.  Don would have been burned at the stake with the Salem witches, were he around back then.
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-That's all fine and dandy, Doc.
But what I saw, was Don telling Dude that his "encounter" meant ONE
thing, and one thing only...
BECOME A CHRISTIAN! NOT just acknowledge J.C., but start going to
church, believing in a PERSONAL god, yadda yadda.
That was, and is, my grievance here. Especially the primitive, Neanderthal-esque concept of "God" as a PERSON (complete with an EGO) rather than a symbolic idea. (This idea is slowly, but surely destroying our country, and maybe the world as well... READ the newspaper one of these mornings, and don't just skip to the sports page like 99% of dumb Americans do!)

B-man

P.S. In your reply to DaBears, you mentioned me bashing "Christians/Jews."
HUH???
When have I ever griped about Jews? In fact, I generally don't include
them in my bashings, as they don't proselytize and threaten people
with eternal torture by some anthropomorphic pig-f**k of a "God" who is said to be "perfect."
As far as I can remember, I've never been proselytized by a Jew,
or been told I was going to "Hell" for not being one...
(I've mentioned Muslims a couple times though,
they're every bit as bad as fundie Christians... a
little worse, perhaps.)

B-dawg wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 6:33pm:

No, I just meant Christian fundies..

B-dawg wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2007 at 10:43pm:

Okay, I tottally interepted it wrong.. I see what you meant now! peace

DaBears wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2007 at 1:41pm:

Okay, I totally interepted it wrong.. I see what you meant now! Unfortunately, Reagan is from my area.. I live in Illinois and he lived like 15 miles away from me..  Him and Billy Graham I can't stand.. Same with G.W.B...
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Well, maybe that explains why you seem to be a man of good
sense, DB...
You were exposed to Reagan's evil miasma from a young age,
and learned to hate it (especially with the multiplier effect of
Billy Graham's proximity.) Good for you!
Now, just one more question (3 actually) and you've passed my non-dunderhead test.
Here goes...
#1. Did you HATE "The Family Circus" from as far back as you can
remember?
#2. Like me, have you NEVER gotten a laugh out of it?
#3. AND, are you (rightfully!) appalled that this single-panel (yet over-
sized) abomination has tainted America's funny pages for over 50 years, even as great strips like "Calvin and Hobbes" and "The Far Side" have been swallowed up into oblivion - proving once again the old maxim that "Only the Good Die Young?" That even after all these years, "Family Circus" endures, like some ancient, mindless species of reptile. (Come to think of it, "Family Circus" brings to my mind a crocodile... the way it's always there, lurking in the lower left-hand corner - waiting to suck...)
If you answered all three questions correctly, may I present you
with a (virtual) cigar!

B-man

B-man:

I can appreciate why the subtle humor of "Family Circus" would elude a guy like you.  I do agree with your love of "The Far Side," my favorite comic strip.   Meanwhile, I continue to be amused by the hatred you and your lapdog, DaBears, continue to spue forth against "Fundies."  Even the sanctimonious Matthew coyly employs that scornful term against one branch of Christianity.  I'm also amused by the smirkly winks and nods you get from various members of the Ghetto who mostly tone down their anti-Christian hatred to prevent me from gaining more ammo.
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-Yeppers. I give you bullets which you then proceed to shoot yourself in the foot with. I guess the other forum members are nicer than me..?
I rail against "fundies", because they are the fastest-growing, AND most dangerous, group of Christians. Their aggressiveness is spilling over to others, like YOU, Don. (LOOK at how much time and energy you spend on evangelizing members of this forum!!!) As long as aggressive Christian fundies are a major political force to be reckoned with, I'LL FIGHT 'EM. Until they cease to be a threat to my way of life, I'll oppose 'em, AND people infected by their doctrines (like YOU, Don old boy.) Fair enough???
P.S. You like "Family Circus"? Oh man, are you...
(AW, FORGET IT. Of COURSE you dig "Family Circus". Haven't I been
reading your posts for the past two years? You probably also think "Marmaduke" is hilarious, that "Garfield" has only gotten BETTER over the past twenty years, and you've been known to get physically violent when deprived of "Howard Huge" from PARADE magazine.
(AND let us not forget "B.C." by Johnny Hart, with its anti-Semitic,
fundamentalist cavemen. *Hey, fundamentalists as CAVEMEN?* Maybe
Johnny boy has gotten more HONEST, not just nastier, in his
dotage... but OOPS, sorry for stepping on one of your favorite strips,
Don.)
All the above, is "clean family fare", which as a minister-type you've tortured your brain into thinking is funny. Why? To prove to yourself how "pure-hearted and holy" you are. But then, CAN you force yourself to think something is funny? Or is laughter something which just HAPPENS (often in spite of ourselves?) ASK yourself that, Don. (One's sense of humor is a VERY strong indicator of one's character...) For what it's worth, you DID like "Far Side", which at least shows me that there's a human being lurking beneath your churchy, self-righteous exterior. So KUDOS to you there, Don!
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By the way, I consider Billy Graham one of the most effective and most spiritual humans beings of the 20th century.  He insisted on the racial integration of his southern crusades while southern police were still hosing and beating civil rights marchers.   Hie played in important role in raising southern consciousness.
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-That's nice, Don.
Adolf Hitler, gave Germany the autobahn system. He also pulled Germany out of an economic slump.
Now maybe it's unfair for me to compare Billy Graham, to Hitler. After all, Billy wasn't evil, just a blockhead - right? All I'm saying here is that no matter how evil - or MEDIOCRE - somebody is, he/she DOES have some good points. SO WHAT???
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As for the "hardening" of Pharaoh's heart, the Old Testament often fails to distinguish between the active and the permissive will of God.   Pharaoh was simply allowed to maintain his standard abuse of power for the greater purpose of enhancing Jewish awareness of the love of "I will be whatever I will be" (Exodus 3:14), later shortened to "Yahweh" [= He will cause to be"] .a title not to be spoken.  If Dude were sincere, he'd try to learn more about this Jesus who gave him a loving mystical encounter.   That of ocurse does not mean Dude has to embrace any doctrine of Scripture; it does mean that he must investigate the Gospels to learn more about Christ.
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-O.K., Don. WHICH Gospels?
I assume you mean the four canon gospels, as opposed to stuff like
the newly discovered "Gospel of Judas", ect.
These "canon gospels" were selected by COMMITTEE, Don (325 AD, Council of Nicaea.)
But why is it, that the stamp of approval given by a churchmen's committee put together, under threat of the sword by CONSTANTINE (who was nothing but a CRIMINAL) during
the FOURTH CENTURY ROMAN EMPIRE (a time, and place of intellectual rot and corruption unequaled in the history of mankind) gives these four "gospels" more weight than any number of other "gospels" that were suppressed, or "lost" (I'll bet there's a LOT of 'em squirrelled away in the Vatican someplace, along with who knows what else!)
Let us not forget also, that the Catholic Church is nothing more than a BUSINESS, Don - the biggest, most thieving business in the history of civilization! (Would a truly spiritual organization, have all that gold, treasure, and money, Don? THINK ABOUT that!) ALL modern organized/church-based Christianity is infected by Roman Catholic doctrines in one way or another, so why is Don's "New Age quackadoodle" interpretation of Jesus, any less legitimate than your own? (Oh wait - yours has a 2K-year long TRADITION OF MEN to back it up, and Dude's doesn't. So I guess you've got me there..!)
Cheers,

B-man