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Actually, Don...
Reply #30 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 8:44am

You oughtta be pleased with Dude..!
After all, he now acknowledges Jesus Christ, in the
only way which really matters... as a true source,
perhaps the greatest, of "PUL." The details are
therefore insignificant, right? WHO CARES what
happened 1/5 of the way back to the Age of Cro-Magnon
Man, anyway? What matters is NOW, right? What difference
then, whether Jesus actually walked the planet
or not, 2K years ago?? That was practically in ANOTHER GEOLOGICAL
ERA, Don. What bearing does it have on spirituality today?
Why is it important to you, that Dude accept the
CHURCHLY bull***t? The dogmas, doctrines,
theology, magic spells (like the "sinner's prayer") and booga-booga rituals?
What PROOF is there, of the Bible's authority? How can we
TRUST a text, which was likely "monkeyed with" centuries
ago (by Bishop Eusebius, Augustine, ect.)???
What need for the Church, or churchmen? Dude seems
to have done all you could reasonably hope for him to
do, really. (He "met The Man" face-to-face!)
And no "churchy requirements" were dispensed to Dude.
No penance, no self-flagellation, no Hail Marys. Just "PUL."
*And WHY, after all, would "God" want us to WORSHIP him,
anyway?* That's behavior befitting Emperor Fung F*k Chung (or
whatever) in the PoonTang Dynasty of Imperial China in
the thirteenth century (or whatever.) But is it fitting, that
the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE would expect his creations
to kow-tow to "Him" like the above-mentioned monarch?
COME ON NOW.
RELIGION, is OUTDATED.
WORSHIP, is RETROGRADE NEO-BARBARISM.
CHURCHLY HIERARCHY (preachers, priests, ministers ect. telling
"the unwashed masses" what's what in regard to spirituality, or
lack thereof) is ARCHAIC.
Welcome to the "New Age", Don. It's also called
"modern civilized society." (But I didn't have to
TELL you that, did I now..?)

B-man

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Never say die Full Member Offline Posts: 177 Gender:	Re: Blasphemy against the holy spirit cant be forg Reply #31 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 11:47am Hey Chum, I fully agree with your sentiments, have you considered becoming a comedian?? "Fun F*k Chung", "monkeyed with"
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LaffingRain Super Member Offline Choose this Day Posts: 5249 Arizona Gender:	Re: Blasphemy against the holy spirit cant be forg Reply #32 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 2:27pm I agree with NSD Chumley. Dead Preacher guy over here is rolling on the floor everytime he reads you. hope u never leave us.
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Reply #33 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 2:54pm

Hey Alysia,

dittio re: Chumley, I just finished printing out his responce to If you were God for Mac and reading Blink's responce to Chum's reaction. Love that guy & his self portrait of his mooning us all Grin

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Love hanging out with you all-just don't have much energy to respond.

Love, Jean Kiss

p.s. ordered R.S.'s today. J

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Reply #34 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 3:26pm

DocM wrote on Mar 18^th, 2007 at 8:37am:

Don's last two arguments are worth thinking about. Dude, think of it this way; if there is truly no good or evil, no right or wrong, than there would not be any hells. We hear that after a life review people often see the unloving/unkind moments in their lives, and then, may not feel worthy of heaven and PUL. They thus therefore consign themselves to a hell. We also hear that people who revel in masochism and hurting others are attracted to hells that indulge these loves. The great realization by Bruce and others has been that we are here to learn about the expression of PUL. The further we are away from PUL, the further we are away from God. This sets up a necessary good/evil equivalent (as Don stated).
Saying that there is no good or evil, right or wrong sets up a value judgement, in effect assigning equal value to ethical or unethical actions. A mass murderer is said in this sad ideology to just be "exploring their dark side" in a neutral way. I find this modern moral relativism to be offbase.

Don, your statement on how the notion of a unity of all things implies that there is no free will is falacious. It is absolutely clear that if the greater reality is unity, the other perspective on the physical plane is polar opposites. Both exist simultaneously. Enlightenment implies the simultaneous appreciation of the unity and the dichotomy; both are real.

What is my take on all this then? I believe that there is a unity of all things, however not an equivalence of all actions. Everything is not equal in terms of thought and action. What Kyo on this board has called "cosmoethos," is a higher universal principle based in PUL. As Don astutely stated, if PUL is the underlying force of the universe, then un-PUL vs. PUL sets up a necessary dichotomy for thought and action both here, in the physical and in heaven/hell. If not, if there were truly no right/wrong, no good/evil, there woud be no PUL, no heaven and hell. No reason to get up in the morning, to achieve anything.

What we find is that good and evil as preached by the fundies is flawed, but right or wrong action - ethical action based on the concept of PUL is real. Those that glibly say that all notions of good/evil or right/wrong are illusory, and that all actions are equal, therefore are kidding themselves.

Matthew

God never created heaven or hell.. Humans have created these illusions in their subconscious minds.. Till they get out of these reward and punishment delusions they will finally see the true God and experience PUL only! The only punishment I believe for a person is the life review... They judge themselves for all the wrongs and rights they do.. God never judges.. So, they may condemn themselves to their own illusional hells.. God just wants them to accept themselves for who they are and to forgive others and themselves..

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LaffingRain Super Member Offline Choose this Day Posts: 5249 Arizona Gender:	Re: Blasphemy against the holy spirit cant be forg Reply #35 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 4:07pm DaBears..u continue to amaze me how young u r and such wisdom falls out of you, I'm not trying to flatter you but everything you said is true but I had to study many books for the same insight you already have. thank you sweetie. maybe I can leave town now.
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Reply #36 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 4:51pm

LaffingRain wrote on Mar 18^th, 2007 at 4:07pm:

DaBears..u continue to amaze me how young u r and such wisdom falls out of you, I'm not trying to flatter you but everything you said is true but I had to study many books for the same insight you already have. thank you sweetie. maybe I can leave town now.

Thanks for your compliment!!

I have an obsessive compulsive dissorder, so I too have done lots of research on this topic.. Once I get obsessed with a subject I can't stop researching... It's not just 1-2 hrs. a day it is more like 5-6 hrs. a day..

So, I owe it all to my mental illness and my long hard work of research... lol

Thanks again laffingrain!

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Reply #37 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 5:13pm

well u may think you have a disorder, and u may have been diagnosed as that, but I am diagnosing you as an Indigo child who has an intention to have been born into this day and age of the shift in consciousness upon the planet now.
as you go along here, here's my advice: you are demonstrating your wisdom gained from your studies right now...hold tight to what you know and take care of yourself; you are numeral uno. I am honored to be in touch with you. be proud and never let anyone put you down.
and thank you!

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Reply #38 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 5:18pm

DaBears,

You misread my post. I did not state or imply that God created hells. Our consciousness does. Read it again. I was talking about dismissing the notion of right action or ethical action. I was speaking of those that say that there is no such thing as right or ethical action, and no reason to act that way since everything was "equal".

Doc

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Reply #39 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 6:12pm

Hi I go to a mental health centre,but i know that God is beside me and he is my most best friend and he loves me for who i am and knows of my many inebitions i have about my self after being put down all my life,but im gradually getting there with Gods love and the courage i ask him for each day ,which he gives me.

OOBD how can you not know that your sitting on a chair,the chair is solid reality and also the scent of your cats urine is real,that is no illusion.Open your heart and God will enter your life and he unlike most in this world will never let you down,hes never let me down,God helped me to go on living and he still is helping me to go on living.God led me to the mental health centre as im now finding out there ,that i am good enough to walk on this earth plain and my life is getting better every day and God helped me to find that out.

Chumley you seem at war in yourself with yourself,ask God to show you the way and he will.

Love and God bless Love Juditha

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Reply #40 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 7:46pm

LaffingRain wrote on Mar 18^th, 2007 at 5:13pm:

well u may think you have a disorder, and u may have been diagnosed as that, but I am diagnosing you as an Indigo child who has an intention to have been born into this day and age of the shift in consciousness upon the planet now.
as you go along here, here's my advice: you are demonstrating your wisdom gained from your studies right now...hold tight to what you know and take care of yourself; you are numeral uno. I am honored to be in touch with you. be proud and never let anyone put you down.
and thank you!

Thanks and I will try to do my best at taking care of myself! Hey I'll add you to my myspace k??

peace

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Reply #41 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 7:47pm

DocM wrote on Mar 18^th, 2007 at 5:18pm:

DaBears,

You misread my post. I did not state or imply that God created hells. Our consciousness does. Read it again. I was talking about dismissing the notion of right action or ethical action. I was speaking of those that say that there is no such thing as right or ethical action, and no reason to act that way since everything was "equal".

Doc

Okay, I see what you meant.. Sorry about that...

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DaBears Senior Member Offline Posts: 254	Re: Blasphemy against the holy spirit cant be forg Reply #42 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 7:50pm Back to the topic, why would there be an unforgiveable sin, when hell is not eternal?
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Reply #43 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 8:29pm

DaBears wrote on Mar 18^th, 2007 at 7:50pm:

Back to the topic, why would there be an unforgiveable sin, when hell is not eternal?

maybe because all suffering stems from a heavy load of guilt and some just can't bear the guilt and so we call this hell. remember we are going from the premise that you have to forgive yourself your misdeeds in order to get out of hell. maybe this is so hard to do for some that they require lots of assistance and get locked into the guilt and it's like having tar stuck on your soul.
I have heard of rare instances where the realization of what has been done has caused so much suffering that this one would be recycled in painless manner, or unredeemable; perhaps because they enjoyed so much a playground of slaughter they were in...
theres two types of sin or error which cause guilt and suffering:
1) unintentional harm to life, from ignorance, or ignoring the love your neighbor concept:
2) base, primal selfish intentional harm, such as serial killers would perform. This would be construed as having the "intent." having the intent means they took a perverse pleasure out of harming life, whereas the other type of error or sin had no pleasure in their misdeeds and thought it was the right thing to do.

or you might say those in the intentional category, which you must admit are rare considering our large population, you could say these others knew what they were doing was wrong, yet went right ahead and did it. these would be cloistered upon death and when their sin or guilt was provided to them to hear the crys of those injured upon their own persons, they might not be able to face up to guilt and opt out, if they even have that choice. I don't know that they would have a choice if there was no mercy or compassion in their heart at all.

but it's supposed to be so rare, and I don't go into those hells for exploration purposes, as I never considered I needed to go take a look. the ones I retrieve who are criminals always have the spark of divinity in them and these are easy retrievals.
matter of fact I never met a criminal that I didn't like, some of them are like robin hoods in disguise. they think they are right, but we're not the judges except on this earth, we are the judge and jury, not on the inner planes..thats a higher order we can only conjecture on. The guilt is in everyone of us though, to some degree, we may feel separated from our creator here, and this sets up automatically that we must have done something wrong to find ourselves in a flesh and blood body where we struggle and strive just to get back to god. We can reach god consciousness here, a sense of no separation from god, or all that is, or our completed tasks done. we can, because we have our avatars and teachers who showed us that we can.

love to you, such an enquiring young man! my goodness, I love to see you here. alysia

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Reply #44 - Mar 18^th, 2007 at 10:59pm

DaBears,

"You misread my post. I did not state or imply that God created hells. Our consciousness does. Doc"
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Oh please! Why are posters here so oblivious to what they just don't know? True, like attracts like and the envirommental reality of the hellbound will reflect their inner states and core desires. But it's not as if axe-murderers will hold a convention in Hell and frame a resolution like: "Let's build a blood-soaked dimly lit complex of caves to conceal ourselves and to create a place for us to formulate our plans for mayhem."

From my reading of astral projection and channeling rpports, discarnate spirits can transform their thoughts into objects on a small personal scale, but cannot change the big picture--the scenery that constitutes their shared experience with other residents. The creator of the big picture is simply unknown, although NDEs reveal constant monitoring by angels, who exercise jurisdiction in unknown ways and cannot be perceived by denizens of these lower vibrations.
My guess is that these angels help translate the symbolism of inner states into observable geographically equivalent layouts. But please admit that we just don't know how these planes are created. Geez!

Don

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