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juditha
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Mar 15th, 2007 at 3:43pm
 
Hi This is the one sin that cannot be forgiven.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
In Matthew 12:22-32; Mark 3:22-30; Luke 12:10 Jesus refers to a sin against the Holy Spirit called blasphemy.  Jesus says it is one sin that can never be forgiven.  There is some disagreement of what this sin is.  Augustine of Hippo taught that this blasphemy is the rejection of the work of the Holy Spirit in a person's life.  If you continue to the very end to reject the Holy Spirit as it works in your life, you have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.  Rejecting the voice of the Holy Spirit is rejecting the offer of peace with God.

Love and God bless     Love Juditha
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Re: Blasphemy against the holy spirit cant be forg
Reply #1 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 4:05pm
 
Greetings Juditha,

This does *not* mean that a soul rots in hell forever for ignoring the Holy Spirit.
That would be ridiculous because with all the noise and distractions in the world,
it's hard to hear anything subtle.
It must mean that we cannot get out of facing some sort of consequence. And
that's good news because it infers that anything else  can  be forgiven.

So even though at first reading, I started to hear the old fire and brimstone, it's full of good promise when read with love.

Thanks Juditha, I didn't remember it.

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Reply #2 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 4:07pm
 
Are you saying, Juditha, that if a person rejects the "holy spirit" which offers the peace of "God" in this lifetime, that they will never be forgiven? Perhaps not....

Perhaps this hypothetical person needs one, ONE, more moment to find and accept the peace of God.

I believe that if God is Love, and Love is Infinite Mercy, that no one can be left unforgiven.

Love that is Infinite and All-Encompassing can leave no heart forgotten.

love, blink
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Reply #3 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 4:24pm
 
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Are you saying, Juditha, that if a person rejects the "holy spirit" which offers the peace of "God" in this lifetime, that they will never be forgiven? Perhaps not....

Perhaps this hypothetical person needs one, ONE, more moment to find and accept the peace of God.

I believe that if God is Love, and Love is Infinite Mercy, that no one can be left unforgiven.

Love that is Infinite and All-Encompassing can leave no heart forgotten.

love, blink


Exactly, nice post!
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Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 6:01pm
 
Once again we come to the main issue most people have with fundamentalist Christianity. 

What a pile of crap! 

There is noone to judge us, noone to forgive us, except ourselves. 

In realising where we came from and what we are, we find that even self judgement is unneccessary.  Its about learning and growing, not punishment.

There is a big difference between realising you goofed up and growing from the changes you bring about in yourself to advance spiritually, and causing yourself pain and hardship due to feeling unworthy of love because of past mistakes.
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Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 6:10pm
 
I believe that God and Christ are wise enough to understand why people make mistakes, and feel much joy and love when a person realizes his or her error. If you were a parent and one of your children that you love very much became confused and falsely spoke against you, wouldn't you forgive he or she if he or she discovered his or her error and tried to make amends?  What good would it do anybody to have he or she spend all of eternity in hell, if he or she is willing to admit his or her error and once again love and revere you?

If there is one thing God and Jesus don't have it's ego problems, which is the sort of thing that causes people to be unforgiving.

Why the verse states what it states I don't know. There must be an explanation.

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Reply #6 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 6:10pm
 
Hi Juditha,
it makes some sense to me, as I interprete it this way:

We have many posts here on the board telling of the power of intent and spiritual help/helpers. If one rejects any help, don't want to see any light, and instead stay in destructive, negative thought- and acting patterns, it will have the appropriate consequences. This means to me "blasphemy against the holy spirit", and the consequences of it.
If one goes on with sticking with only the bad sides of life unto the end of life, it can't be undone, it's there, and it has its consequences.
Now, believing in an afterlife, and that evolution and progress there is possible, then one there can change his/her mind. It seems there are many there to help to see the light.

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Reply #7 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 6:35pm
 
Dude and Juditha.

The two earliest interpretations of the unpardonlable sin against the Holy Spirit define it as thechronic refusal to heed to inner voice of the prophetic Spirit (so the Teaching of the 12 Apostles and Irenaeus).  What this means in modern terms is this: if we harden ourselves to divine overtures, we will eventually become tone deaf to such overtures and they will cease to be part of our experience.   Instead, we will subject ourselves to a godless postmortem ordeal that mirrors our own choices and is based on the principle that like attracts like.   Divine forgiveness means the removal of self-imposed barriers to experiencing God's grace and reconciliation.   There is no room in this process of reconcilation for continued nursing og  guilt fieelings. 

I love Martin Luther's two-word motto that succinctly expresses the appropriate attitude: "Sin boldly!"  In other words, being frail humans, we cannot escape our learning curve in which we will inevitably repeatedly miss the mark.   So we have a choice.   We can grovel in self-loathing or we can sin with gusto, and then catch ourselves in our flaws, cheerfully embrace God's pardon, and press on in a guilt-free determination to make progress towards PUL with God's help.  Remember, Jesus' dictum, "Love your neighbor as yourself," is bad advice for a masochist.  It presupposes a robust self-image.  God's only interest in our sinful past and current frailties is this: how He can transform our weaknesses into spiritual strengths (2 Corinthians 12:8-10).   God does not view us in terms of our accumulation of demerits, but in terms of the magnificent creatures we might yet become by His grace.  In simple terms, Jesus' atoning death means this: God buries our sins in the sea of His forgetfulness and puts up a sign that reads, "No fishing!"   When we grovel in guilt, we are fishing in a No Fishing zone and are implying that Jesus falied to accomplish His mission.  In other words, we are insulting the grace of God.   

The danger of the way Dude expresses his piosition is this: it blurs the line between inordinate oride and healthy self-esteem and the line between loving humilty and both humiliation and a poor self-image.   Jeus warns of the thin line between true spirituality and counterfeit spirituality.

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Reply #8 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 10:51pm
 
I think what fires the dislike of literal interpretations of the old and new testament is that both Fundies and atheists alike get stuck on the notion that the literal sentence is meant to be taken as an absolute truth, without further explanation or interpretation.  Any thinking person will look for true meaning behind the prose.

I found an excellent refutation of the fact that God would not forgive the sin of blasphemy against the holy spirit on a christian discussion forum:

"It is simply not the case that the sin of denying Christ before men is unforgivable, neither is the sin of rejecting the witness of the Holy Spirit unforgivable. The Scriptures provide explicit proof of this in the person of Paul (Acts 8:1-3; 9:1-20). After Paul had denied Christ, implicitly also denying the works that Christ had done and the Spirit through whose power he had done them, and after Paul had punctuated these denials by persecuting those who confessed Christ, Paul came to faith and was forgiven. Yet, Jesus made it clear that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven either in this age or in the age to come (Matt. 12:32). Some respond to this objection by saying that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is limited to final rejection of Christ, not just initial rejection. The problem with this response is that final rejection does not differ from initial rejection in any qualitative or quantitative sense. To all analysis, final rejection is the same sin as initial rejection. The only difference is the coincident death of the person. But a person's death does not alter the nature of his/her sin of rejecting Christ. "

In a nutshell then, Don's interpretation rings true to me.  In order to access divine grace and forgiveness, one has to be open to it.  In denying the Holy Spirit, one is denying our true nature and fastening the blinders on us, like horses used to wear.  Of course, it makes perfect sense that if we close ourselves down recognizing the divine, we are committing an unforgiveable sin by taking away our main road to forgiveness. 

It should also be noted that these verses do not specifically define what is and isn't "blasphemy" against the Holy Spirit, although the context was the pharisees stating that Jesus exorcised demons because he communed with them.


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Re: Blasphemy against the holy spirit cant be forg
Reply #9 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 12:41am
 
Hi This is the one sin that cannot be forgiven.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
In Matthew 12:22-32; Mark 3:22-30; Luke 12:10 Jesus refers to a sin against the Holy Spirit called blasphemy.  Jesus says it is one sin that can never be forgiven.  There is some disagreement of what this sin is.  Augustine of Hippo taught that this blasphemy is the rejection of the work of the Holy Spirit in a person's life.  If you continue to the very end to reject the Holy Spirit as it works in your life, you have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.  Rejecting the voice of the Holy Spirit is rejecting the offer of peace with God.
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Looks like I'm in Gonzo City, then...

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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 6:40am
 
Giving it further thought, this sin (blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) is simply the failure to recognize our unity with God/the divine - not just walking around taking JC's name in vain.  I liken it to JC's "I am the light and the way, and there is but one way to the father and that is through me."  Fundies and Fundie haters love that line because it implies that all non-christians are going to Hades.

But on further inspection, the light and the way line can and likely does mean that the teachings and philosophy of JC of love, love of they neighbor and God are the only true path to heaven.  In this context, the "light and the way" line does not condemn others to a hell, rather it states a plain fact - that love of the divine and one's fellow man is a prerequisite for heaven in a non-denominational sense.  Note that seen in this light, all New Agers, Muslims and Jews are equally worthy of heaven, if they cultivate these loving aspects within themselves. 

PUL,

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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 6:46am
 
Hi Chumley I feel im getting some words for you here from spirit and im going to write what is given to me at this moment.

Here it is.    God knows of your silent pain,there is much for you to do as you travel your pathway of life ,which at the moment has seen many obstacles,but you will eventually come through the trees and out into the sunshine ,there is a vast crossroads forming around you at the moment of your earth life,but this consists of two things being that one is a baron feild but you will find the true path you are to walk along,time will put everything within its true place,we have heard and seen your words many times and we have seen that these words of many are just words of the war you are fighting inside yourself many times,God loves you as he loves all his children and your freewill was given from God ,for you to learn from many accounts in your life as it is and as it is to come so you are progressing as a spirit of Gods love,you will come towards the light of all knowledge one day and you will find your many answers to many of the questions you hold inside your soul.

Gods light love and blessings on you,for the long and winding pathway you must walk.

I have just wrote this word for word what i have just received from spirit,as i must write excactly what i receive.

Love and God bless you chumley     Love Juditha
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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 12:03pm
 
I had a dream last night. I believe it was about Dude.

Dude lived in a small town during Christmas season. He was so enthused about experiencing the love of Jesus that during the night while everybody was asleep, he made elaborate Christmas designs in the town's center. Ice sculptures, that sort of thing.

The next day an outdoor ceremony was held. The mayor of the town wanted to honor Dude. You know what Dude did? He threw a snow ball in the mayor's face and stood there laughing. Sort of a snow job. I believe the name of the town was J Town.

Perhaps Dude wants to have his cake and eat it. He wants the love of Christ, but he also wants to insult and deny what the physical manifestation of Christ has accomplished, by stating that the story of Jesus of Nazareth is nothing but a myth. I'm still not a fundamentalist, but after being blessed with the presence of Christ, I was humble enough to reconsider my viewpoints of the Christ spoken of in the Gospels.

Jesus didn't live during a time like the publish like crazy period of the biased pseudointellectuals who through their writings deny his physical incarnation. His teachings were mostly passed on by word of mouth. It's true that the gospels don't speak in terms of like attracts like and you'll end up in the place that most closely matches your vibrational rate. Jesus spoke to the masses and simpler talk was needed. He said things such as: "as you sow, so you'll reap" and the "meak shall inherit the earth." Don't underestimate how much the physical incarnation of Jesus has helped people. If you open your mind and heart you'll see that he has helped many people, despite how some have contorted his teachings.

I really did have the dream I shared above.
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 1:56pm
 
Well Chumley, looks like you and me are going to get two prime seats right up close to the
furnace concert...Is this website now about christian interpretation of biblical passages and
such like? I thought this site was about the Astral planes and rescue/retrieval work. I was
always taught if you have a toothache you go and see the dentist, not the manager of the
local hardware store. Perhaps some of the posters don't know that there are many christian
forums, chat lines, websites, local churches, etc, etc, where they can get their questions
answers. ....But I keep forgetting that these people are the ones who go to a catholic mass
hoping to hear the local islamic Mufti give a sermon on the benefits of being an orthodox jew.
...Darth. May both sides of the force be with you...ps. There is always Don(Beserk) who will
always tell you that his interpretations of biblical script are the one and only true meanings
in that infamous book....You know, when jesus was crucified, he was really playing poker with
his diciples, and when Paul talks about his vision on the road to Damascus, it was only
his irritable bowel syndrome playing up.
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Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 5:23pm
 
I would never blaspheme the holy spirit i believe in the holy spirit ,i know i have felt it in my heart ,i love god and jesus so much i need them in my life forever . god bless deanna
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