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Mar 12th, 2007 at 5:07am
 
I usually meditate while on the bus to work every morning.  I always do breathing execises to energize myself with light energy and put me in a great mindset for the day. 

This morning I decided to meditate on Jesus rather than doing the usual breathing exercises.

The outcome was a feeling of love so strong that it almost made me want to cry.  I actually began to tear up.  It was okay thought, because it was tears of joy rather than tears of sadness.  Just the thought of Jesus brings a feeling of great love.  It is hard to describe. 

I realised that I shouldn't have tried to convince others that Jesus did not exist.  Even if he did not exist in physical form.  I believe he does exist as a spiritual being.  I believe he is the most important and special spiritual being that exists, in the earth life system anyway. 

I was wrong to have doubted his existance.  To think that a being that does not exist can cause me to feel such love is unimaginable. 

This, of course, does not mean I am going to convert to Christianity.  It simply means my newfound respect for Jesus is strong, and as I further meditate on his presence I hope to futher strengthen my relationship with this being.  I truely appreciate what he has done for mankind and for all spirits in our human system.

I love you all,

Vince
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Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 8:18am
 
I am so glad for you, Vince, that your heart has been opened to this great being.  I'm glad for the happiness that you feel.

Many great beings can open our hearts, but it is the one who is there when we call who really helps the heart to heal.

I will follow in your footsteps today as best I can because I feel that I need to experience this kind of great love today.  It was a very difficult night for me.  But I know the night cannot last forever.

When I look for this great Love outside of myself it is not there.  There is only this world and all of its beauties and all of its follies. It is an amazing world but it is not Real.

It is only when we look within that we can find what we seek. 

As He said, the kingdom of heaven is within you.

much love to you, Vince,      blink
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 10:53am
 
Cheesy

Awesome.  As long as your heart is open He's there waiting to love you.  
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Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 12:34pm
 
Wonderful Dude, and thank you for sharing:

Even though I speak of Christ, believe it when I say that I'm not a fundamentalist.

Regarding his physical incarnation, that happened a couple of thousand years ago, he's been misrepresented in various ways, and who he is in spirit goes way beyond what a physical body could mean. You can't get help from his body, but you can get help from his spirit. I sure have.

I was shown this sequence of images one night before I started to dissassociate Christ from fundamentalism. First I was shown a crucifix. This made me uptight because of my prejudices. Next I was shown a headless, armless, and legless manikin with a white fur coat with black polka dots placed on a department store floor.  I received the mental message, "they killed him, they put him on display, they spotted his reputation." Next I experienced mysef sitting at my piano. I pressed a high C note. I received the mental message, "he represents the highest consciousness there is."

The other night I was meditating. I was in an expanded state of awareness. Even though my state of being was very alive energetically, I felt divine peace. The image of Jesus appeared to me and gave me a few messages. My feelings for him were very positive.

Regarding tears, I've found that tears come to my eyes when I experience divine love.
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Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 1:42pm
 
 That is a beautiful post Vince, thank you for sharing your experiences with us.  


I Am Dude wrote on Mar 12th, 2007 at 5:07am:
I was wrong to have doubted his existance.  To think that a being that does not exist can cause me to feel such love is unimaginable.  


 Nah, its not wrong to think or feel that and in some respects its kind of understandable.  When i was younger, and researching early Christianity, while i was drawn to Yeshua and his teachings about universal love, etc., i was very repulsed by the Church and its history, the things they did and allowed in the name of Christ.  

  I feel that if i didn't have a strong karmic connection to Yeshua and his Total self, i probably would have grown up thinking and feeling very similar to what you've felt and thought, that it ALL was a bunch of hooey or extremely exaggerated, etc.  There is nothing wrong with honest skepticism.

 Christianity as a religion and religious force, has done a lot of good for the world, but it has caused so much destruction and suffering as well.  Religiously, i've always leaned somewhat more to the Eastern, especially like Buddhism partly because the history of same has been much more tolerant and actually practicing what they teach.    Also because from a young age, things like karma, other lives, etc. just made sense to me on a deep level.


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This, of course, does not mean I am going to convert to Christianity.  It simply means my newfound respect for Jesus is strong, and as I further meditate on his presence I hope to futher strengthen my relationship with this being.  I truely appreciate what he has done for mankind and for all spirits in our human system.


 Hah!  No need to my friend.   There are plenty of us who believe in the role of the Christ, and the importance of this role, who aren't operating from within mainstream, orthodox, or dogmatic/overly-structured Christian belief systems.

 The way i look at it, is that we are all ultimately equal especially in the eyes of Source, because we are all connected and like One large self.  But at the same time, there are many different, individual, and unique parts within that Whole and because of that, and freewill, we are all operating within different states of consciousness which are either more expanded (more inclusive), or more contracted (less inclusive), and there is the most expanded state where an individual consciousness is All inclusive and consciously aware of and intune with all other consciousnesses.

 I, like Recoverer, believe that Yeshua and Christ both represent that most expanded state of being, of which all of us originally were part of before we decided to move out of it for whatever reason.  And we're all working to get back to that state of beingness, cause well for one, its just feels a heck of a lot more good than any other state.

  Yeshua as a Soul, or Total self/Disk, is not greater or lesser than any of us in the ultimate sense, but he has had and does have a pretty unique role (and the way he developed in the Earth system and before) in all of this within this particular Universe.

 For his dedication to helping all of us regardless of what we do or don't do, what we believe or don't believe, for his faithfulness, and sticking to the ways of Source even while a physical personality like us, i highly, highly respect him and i'm extremely grateful to him for his continual and consistent unconditional help to all of us.

 Much appreciation to you for sharing, and much respect for you and your willingness to be open.  

 

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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 3:19pm
 
Hi vince i think its great what you have written of Jesus,and i know that Jesus thinks that im worth it and he loves me ,so ive definetly have got a freind.

Love and God bless Juditha
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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 8:27pm
 
great thread. J does represent PUL. sometimes I wonder if he hadn't of come here, what kind of religion would be here now? Maybe a different religion to follow, but we would still mess up any religion, no matter what it was because of two ways to look at everything, or duality world.

since I think love is the way, the heart path, I'm totally in alignment with J, but I do not call myself a fundamentalist, nor a Christian, but I might call myself a Christian mystic if I were forced to label myself.

I do think I like Buddha and his laughter as well as I like to meditate on J.
I would if I saw J, oil his feet for hours if he'd let me. lol.  yes, how can you not appreciate one who speaks of that he would die for all of us?
if I had a love this big I would be on the other side right now.

I knew Dude never meant to be rude... Smiley we just want to understand.

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Reply #7 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 8:58pm
 
Sananda (Jesus Christ) on "Love - the purpose of Karma" :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Hilarion_JesusChristSana...

More on/from Sananda (Jesus Christ), Mother Mary (Miram) and Mary Magdalene :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/Hilarion_On_JesusChrist....
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Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 10:36pm
 
"The power of Christ compels you."
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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 10:56pm
 
C. S. LEWIS'S ENCOUNTER WITH GOD OR CHRIST ON A BUS:

C. S. Lewis was a prolific writer and a famous Oxford Classics professor.  He inspired his friend Tolkien to write "The Lord of the Rings."   "The Shadowlands" is my favorite movie on the theme of dying.  It chronicles C. S. Lewis's grief process as he deals with the dying of his new wife, whom he has known for a long time, but only recently fallen in love with and married shortly before her affliction with cancer.  It is one of the tenderest movies I've ever seen. 

Like you, Dude, C. S. Lewis has an important experience of divine presence on a bus.  I thought you might be interested in detecting the similarities and differences from your own experience.   I will quote two passages from Lewis's book 'Surprised by Joy."   

"The odd thing was that before God closed in on me, I was in fact offered what now appears a moment of wholly free choice.  I was going up Headington Hill on...a bus.   Without words, and
..almost without images, a fact about myself was somehow presented to me.  I became aware that I was holding something at bay, or shutting something out.  Or, if you like, that I was wearing some stiff clothing, like corsets, or even a suit of armor, as if I were a lobster.  I felt myself being, there and then, given a free choice.  I could open the door or keep it shut; I could unbuckle the armor or keep it on.  Neither choice was presented as a duty; no threat or promise was attached to either, though I knew that to open the door or take off the corset meant the incalculable.  The choice appeared to be momentous but it was also strangely unemotional.   I was moved by no desires or fears....I chose to open, to unbuckle, to loosen the rein..I felt as if I were a man of snow at long last beginning to melt.  The melting was starting in my back--drip-drip and presently trickle-trickle.  I rather disliked the feeling (p. 225)."   

"I know very well when, but hardly how, the final step was taken.  I was driven to Whipsnade [zoo] one sunny morning.  When we set out, I did not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and when we reached the zoo, I did.   Yet I had not exactly spent the journey in thought.  Nor in great emotion. ..It was more like when a man, after long sleep, still lying motionless in bed, becomes aware that he is now awake.  And it was, like that moment on the...bus, ambiguous (p. 237)."

His experience, and perhaps yours, illustrates Jesus' saying about the mystery of transforming encounters with God's Holy Spirit: "You can hear the wind, but can't tell where it comes from or where it is giong.  Even so, you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit (John 3:8)."

Don
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Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 2:43am
 
You alright Dude  Smiley I do aplogise for biting your head off; it has being weighing on my conscious ever since although it was done with love and care for you because if I didn't care for you I would have ignored you - i am but an ant though just a bit of a bossy ant at it!  Vince I think your posts have a maturity and insight beyond your years and you sound like a fine man.  The world's a better place with someone like you in it.  Glory.

What a wonderful story of CS Lewis on the bus  Smiley I didn't know he and Tolkien were friends - that's amazing.

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Reply #11 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 3:49am
 
C. S. LEWIS'S ENCOUNTER WITH GOD OR CHRIST ON A BUS:

C. S. Lewis was a prolific writer and a famous Oxford Classics professor.  He inspired his friend Tolkien to write "The Lord of the Rings."   "The Shadowlands" is my favorite movie on the theme of dying.  It chronicles C. S. Lewis's grief process as he deals with the dying of his new wife, whom he has known for a long time, but only recently fallen in love with and married shortly before her affliction with cancer.  It is one of the tenderest movies I've ever seen. 

Like you, Dude, C. S. Lewis has an important experience of divine presence on a bus.  I thought you might be interested in detecting the similarities and differences from your own experience.   I will quote two passages from Lewis's book 'Surprised by Joy."   

"The odd thing was that before God closed in on me, I was in fact offered what now appears a moment of wholly free choice.  I was going up Headington Hill on...a bus.   Without words, and
..almost without images, a fact about myself was somehow presented to me.  I became aware that I was holding something at bay, or shutting something out.  Or, if you like, that I was wearing some stiff clothing, like corsets, or even a suit of armor, as if I were a lobster.  I felt myself being, there and then, given a free choice.  I could open the door or keep it shut; I could unbuckle the armor or keep it on.  Neither choice was presented as a duty; no threat or promise was attached to either, though I knew that to open the door or take off the corset meant the incalculable.  The choice appeared to be momentous but it was also strangely unemotional.   I was moved by no desires or fears....I chose to open, to unbuckle, to loosen the rein..I felt as if I were a man of snow at long last beginning to melt.  The melting was starting in my back--drip-drip and presently trickle-trickle.  I rather disliked the feeling (p. 225)."   

"I know very well when, but hardly how, the final step was taken.  I was driven to Whipsnade [zoo] one sunny morning.  When we set out, I did not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and when we reached the zoo, I did.   Yet I had not exactly spent the journey in thought.  Nor in great emotion. ..It was more like when a man, after long sleep, still lying motionless in bed, becomes aware that he is now awake.  And it was, like that moment on the...bus, ambiguous (p. 237)."

His experience, and perhaps yours, illustrates Jesus' saying about the mystery of transforming encounters with God's Holy Spirit: "You can hear the wind, but can't tell where it comes from or where it is giong.  Even so, you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit (John 3:8)."

Don
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I don't think it is time to start comparing Dude to C.S. Lewis,
Don. For one thing, I'd like to think Dude isn't going to mutate
into a pompous, know-it-all pseudo-intellectual who specializes
in "Jesuitical arguments" (the kind which have their conclusion
already known, as apologists for religious orthodoxy are wont to have.) Not to mention...
-C.S. Lewis was a fundamentalist, who believed in hell-fire and
brimstone (or the mid-twentieth century "polite" version
thereof. He WAS a believer in eternal-torture-of-nonbelievers
in any case, and that puts him right down there with Caligula,
Nero, and Pol Pot as far as morality goes.)
-C.S. Lewis created second-rate fantasy fiction aimed at programming
the minds of children (even his buddy J.R.R. Tolkien HATED the
Narnia books. That says something, maybe..? Sort of like L. Ron
Hubbard and his "Battlefield Earth" novel-cum-literary abomination.)
-C.S. Lewis was a BANALIST (like so many literalist Christians in
America today) who made a big deal out of other people's sex lives
(he seems to have been horrified at the prospect of anything other
than MARRIED sex, in the missionary position - at the same time,
there is some suspicion that he was deviant himself in this arena of
life!)
Say what you like... and I'm sure that Dude has MADE YOUR DAY today,
Don. Is he like my buddy A., who began as a guy with some unusual, but fascinating ideas (A. was a "pagan", don't know what Dude calls himself) and ended up a fundie (converted by an old security guard at the mill where he works) who tried to convert me with threats of a fiery "Hell", and whom I now frankly find myself avoiding? Could be. Nonetheless...
I have a hard time imagining Dude (as little as I know of him) fitting
in well with the corporate executive board at Wal-Mart, or a Diamond
convention at Amway. (Unlike my buddy A. here in Montana.) And somehow, I don't see him packing his bags and heading
for Colorado Springs, CO anytime soon...

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Reply #12 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 4:25am
 
"The power of Christ compels you."
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Fred Phelps from Topeka, Kansas (he of "GodHatesFags.com" fame) claims the same thing.
He's the guy who protests the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq
and holds up placards of the soldiers burning in "Hell", in case you
didn't know.
Head on over to his website and read his site FAQs, you'll see I
ain't lyin'...
(If Fred Phelps is right about the nature of reality, then human existence
and the universe are abject and dire things, indeed.)

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Reply #13 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 5:01pm
 
Chum,

How would you know?  You don't read books and you clearly have not read much of Lewis.  I challenge you to either document your claims by book and page or resign yourself to the status of just another notch on my pistol-Bible.  

[Chum:] -"C.S. Lewis was a fundamentalist, who believed in hell-fire and
brimstone (or the mid-twentieth century "polite" version
thereof. He WAS a believer in eternal-torture-of-nonbelievers
in any case, and that puts him right down there with Caligula,
Nero, and Pol Pot as far as morality goes.)"

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.  You need to be more than a Googlefritz and actually read his witty book "The Great Divorce."  The book tells the story of a bus load of tourists from Hell to the outskirts of Heaven.  where each spirit is given the chance to enter Heaven if he is willing to forego whatever precious sin he hugs to himself.  Each tourist rationalizes why he wouldn't be comfortable in Heaven.  Like many New Agers, Lewis believed that one chooses to remain in Hell and is not consigned there by an angry God.   Fundamentalists declined to bring him over to the USA to lecture because he drank booze and smoked a pipe!

[Chum:] "C.S. Lewis created second-rate fantasy fiction aimed at programming
the minds of children (even his buddy J.R.R. Tolkien HATED the
Narnia books."
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Duh, adults don't usually enjoy children's books, Chum. Kermit the frog (Jim Henson) spoke at Harvard's commencement when i was there and we enjoyed his act.   But few of us still watched "Sesame Street!"  Besdes, Lewis's kiddie books must be pretty good to be made into a Hollywood blockbuster movie. In any case, since when do you have to agree with everything someone believes to learn from his experience?  

Don
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Reply #14 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 8:26pm
 
Chum,

My "the power of Christ compels you" comment was meant as a joke.  It was taken from the movie "The Exorcist," when the two catholic priests were using that chant to get the demon to stop levitating the poor afflicted child.

Dude, I am touched at the experience you had.  I am Jewish, but a big fan of the teachings of JC, and the love associated with him.

I would put it to you that you should not feel guilty for your previous threads and doubt here.  And there is no point in saying things such as you doubt his physical incarnation but not the spiritual one, as there is no proving the physical.

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