DocM wrote on Mar 8th, 2007 at 2:19pm:Now one can say, since we are all one in a sense, that my distinction between internal and external guidance is irrelevant. Perhaps. But if we are all one, many earthly matters are irrelevant as well.
So which form of guidance do you use (if you are aware of it)?
Matthew
Hi Matthew, i don't think its irrelevant at all, in fact i believe its an important distinction and question. Again, i like Bruce's analogy of love and our Oneness, we're like the dry particles in the cake mix and love is like the water that flows around and through us. We are very much individual beings, and i believe that ever should we seek to align the more expanded and Universal energies. This is the very Creative forces itself, and those fully intune with it have been called many things from Elders, Masters, Christs, Buddhas, etc.
Individual guides are important and even sometimes necessary in all this, whether speaking of nonphysical or incarnate guides and teachers, but i do not believe they should be totally relied on. Many of these are not at full At-One-Ment themselves. Why settle for less, when you can get the best and most constructive?
I have an interesting story relating to this. Eileen Garret was a well known medium back in the early 1900's, and most of us have heard of Edgar Cayce. What most don't know, is that these two met up and gave psychic readings on each other. What follows from their interaction is both interesting and has a lot to do with your above questions.
Eileen was more a typical medium when she started out, and she had what she called a "control" or what we call a guide. His name was "Uvani". In Uvani's reading on Edgar, he said that Edgar was "using his full etheric leverage, and he was drawing upon his own spiritual light to assist others, giving something of his own life. This is what happens." He elaborated, "Unless he had indeed understood in the past the laws of passitivity, the laws of withdrawal, and the inner law of knowing, he would not be able to get this reflection through himself, for he uses his own spirit reflection to see, to hear, and to understand." Basically Uvani also said that Edgar had reached high spiritual levels in other lives, and because of that and his karma, he could go deeply within and give info from that.
Uvani referring to the drain on Edgar's own energies, then suggested that Edgar allow him or other controls/guides from his "plane" to use them rather than Edgar going within self to seek this info. As an enticement, Uvani explained that Edgar's readings and their language would become more coherent and clear, with less drain on Edgar with the aid of a helper on the spirit plane.
Edgar decided to get a reading on this advice and asked the source of info about Uvani and his advice.
His source clearly and powerfully stated that he should stick with the turning within method that he had been using and not rely on outside guides and helpers. His source said basically that Uvani was a nice enough guy who was operating from the 5th dimension. But does a guide/helper within the 5th dimension even though that is considered an expanded dimension compared to the average, compare to that which is dimensionless and at full At-One-Ment of which Edgar tapped into because of his turning within method?
In another check reading on this matter, Edgar's source when asked, "Is it advisable for Edgar to seek the same sort of spirit world assistance that Uvani claims will increase the coherence and power of the readings?"
The answer was a pointed question, "Does Uvani claim to know better than the Master who made him?"
In the same reading, the source said that Edgar's readings and this work, was basically the project and work of the Master of masters. Edgar could tap into that consciousness of the Planning Intelligence, into those who are "completed" and returned to Source within consciousness. He could do this, because he so laid aside his conscious personality and went so deeply within, but he was not a "medium" in the sense that he let another consciousness come into his body. He turned deeply within, contacted his own Higher/Total self, and through that "level" (for lack of a better way of putting it), he could contact the Universal Creative forces more often than not. He was not a medium like Eileen Garret, she looked without, and Edgar looked within.
This would be akin to Bruce Moen usually and mostly getting info from only what he called the Planning Intelligence. This is even a more expanded consciousness and source of info than ones immediate Higher/Total self, but of course these are all connected.
Anyways, this interaction between Edgar and Eileen and the resulting info which came from it, apparently had a powerful impact on Eileen and her methods of obtaining psychic info. Later on, she decided to drop the outside guides, and learned to go deeply within like Edgar did. That became her preferred method.
I believe this is the safest, most reliable, most constructive and expanded way of getting info. If a guide comes along with a message, sure listen to them and consider their words, but always aim for the most expanded consciousnesses. Why rely on and be content with a 5th or 6th dimensional guide, when there are those who are completely Source realized out there who are completely intune with your Total self?
These ones can so match wavelengths and frequencies with your very beingness, as to not be any noticable "separation" between your consciousness and theirs, thus they know you as good and even better than you yourself know you, and these can only be reached by turning deeply within and importantly with a helpful intent and motivation--the more closely approaching the Universal, the better. Like attracts like, and if you are merely curious or seeking info which may not be constructive to self and others (the collective), they will not and cannot pick up the phone. Other guides might, and it might not be as constructive to all involved.
The elders, or whatever you want to call them, are so intune with you, they might as well be considered within you (even more so than other selves within your Disk) and not "without" because they are truly One with you and all others. These work completely with your own decision making process and your freewill because again they know you just as well as you do.
The typical guide, is not so fully aware of you and your evolutionary totality, and in lacking a totality of knowledge about you, they cannot fully constructively advise and assist you, they are definitely more "without"
even if they are part of your own Disk/Total self. This doesn't mean they are of less worth or importance, it just means that they are limited in perception in comparison to those who are completed.
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