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Spirit energy meter
Mar 6th, 2007 at 8:35pm
 
Where can I buy a energy meter,for picking up spirit energy?I have cold spots in my house,So if I can find a meter or sencer,I could maybe find energy from spirits who visit my home.Anybody where I can buy one.George
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Reply #1 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 9:03pm
 
Hi George -
Please don't hate me, but... The object is called a thermometer and is available at your local hardware. You use it to map cold spots.  If the cold spots move around, then you probably have some kind of ghost using patterns in the air to hover in. That's about the time that I'd get very interested. There are heat sensitive "thermometer tapes" that could be scattered around, to give an impression of where your visiroes are wandering.

If cold spots don't move, and can't be traced to drafts etc, they represent favored locations of some sort - you might try running a recorder in one of them to see if you get any electrical effects.

To my knowledge, nobody else has ever created a "spirit meter". Even the electrical "talk to the dead" gizmos generally require a medium to operate them.  However, cold spots and balls of light and similar things can be observed readily. Yhen maybe you can get multiple signs, like cold and noisy, etc.

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Reply #2 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 9:19pm
 
I think I know what your referring to. If anyone here has seen the TV show 'Most Haunted' its a UK show but does air in the UK, they have a parasychologist on their, a skeptic to keep things balanced and I have seen him with a temperature measuring device, similar to the thermal imaging cameras that you see in movie's. Basically its like a hand held device with a camera of some kind, its shows an image coloured to represent the temperature scale ie red is hot white is cold etc. I'm sure rescue workers use something of a similar nature for finding victims of disasters etc though where you would get one i don't know.

I think he has also used an EMF sensor as well (Electro-Magnetic Fluctuations I think) but again where he got it and how it measures and displays results I don't know.
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Reply #3 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 9:34pm
 
Well cant we get some kind of meter to pick up energy from smells of perfume.I get these in my door ways and in the hall area.If a spirit is present,would not the energy be picked up from the smell alone/
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Reply #4 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 9:56am
 
Ok, I'm going to get into trouble here, but you guys are missing the point.  You are confining your thoughts to the physical world.  When consciousness leaves the physical, it is no longer bound by physical laws.  A spirit may try to communicate, and through sheer force of will learn to effect the physical surroundings/matter (hauntings, poltergeist).  However, spirits dwell in a realm of thought.  This is why Bruce gives an example of communication with the departed by using your imagination/thought to start a conversation - it may be a one way conversation initially, but this is the realm of mind/spirit - no longer the physical world.

Because of this, I am convinced that spirit-meters miss the point; that communication and interaction occur on the level of mind and not the physical (except under rare circumstances).  


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Reply #5 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 2:11pm
 
Hi Guys-
For phenomena such as spirit perfume, emotional sensations etc, you'll need a living receptor that is sensitive.  The reason is that, as Matthew said, this is not necessarily a true physical effect, but instead, a sensation in the mind. 

If you are actually experiencing these things, then my suggestion would be to set up a scale of some sort, "None", "Some", "Lots" or whatever, and then map a profile around the room. If more people are sensitive to the sensations, then multiple mappings would be good. I'd suggest eiher a 3 value or 4 value scale.

Thermographic imaging is expensive, but can locate physically chilly areas. If these are actually cold spots, then they represent a physical phenomenon - the question is whether you can measure them. If they're psychic phenomena only, then there will be no difference from other spots.

A physical cold spot rpresents a region in which the randommotions of the air have been quieted a bit, leaving a field of energetic relationships that potentially can support the viewpoint of a spirit. But purely psychic effects might give this or any other sensation without physical change, and the best we can do is to get sensitives to map them.

I'd be interested in what you discover.

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Reply #6 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 8:28pm
 
DocM wrote on Mar 7th, 2007 at 9:56am:
Ok, I'm going to get into trouble here, but you guys are missing the point.  You are confining your thoughts to the physical world.  When consciousness leaves the physical, it is no longer bound by physical laws.  A spirit may try to communicate, and through sheer force of will learn to effect the physical surroundings/matter (hauntings, poltergeist).  However, spirits dwell in a realm of thought.  This is why Bruce gives an example of communication with the departed by using your imagination/thought to start a conversation - it may be a one way conversation initially, but this is the realm of mind/spirit - no longer the physical world.

Because of this, I am convinced that spirit-meters miss the point; that communication and interaction occur on the level of mind and not the physical (except under rare circumstances).  


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If I get you right your suggesting that spirits communicate, or rather people communicate from spirit, purely on a mental level? If that's the case then aren't you also suggesting that physical phenomena are simply natural effects that have no explenation, in which case you would be discounting a large part of the evidence of proof of the afterlife, and if you can do that then surely you can discount the mental part too and suddenly all evidence is out the window.

Its also possible your suggesting that its only intentional communication that comes through mentally and all communication recieved from physical occurance is simply communication but without reason or intent, but doesn't that then discount things like EVP.

Or maybe I just misread you entirely.  Smiley
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Reply #7 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 5:21pm
 
This is a favorite topic of mine, mostly because I can't fully decypher it. However, "cold spots" seem to be natural phenomena that can actually be measured. Similarly, electronic recordings of various sorts seem to be measurable phenomena, but only in very rare instances, and very imperfectly.  I know of no case in which anyone has been able to measure a spirit with a gauss meter, although many have tried. I do recall seeing recorded images of "balls of light" or "streaks" that seemed reasonably likely to be spiritual in essence.

As I understand it, the idea of cold spots being useful for spirits is that the random motions of the air are to some degree stilled, that's why they're "cold". In that situation, there is a natural tendency for energy to flow into the cold spot, which must have some kind of mechanism to stay cold, like convection etc. That means that there is a more or less linear flow of energy that might be useful for embodiment of critical characteristics of awareness. In the same way, when two or more electronic interactions become  equi-probable, then any kind of influence capable of upsetting the balance can bias them to go this way or that way. If this comes to focus in a place with a sufficient field intensity it could presumably produce light effects of some sort. Then there follows a series of subordinate effects, all of which seems potentially able to give rise to that whispery kind of speech associated with magnetic tape, or the blurry light seen in some spirit phots.

If we begin with the idea of a material world, this kind of thinking is about as good as we get, but if we begin with the idea that the world is primarily a recognition of interacting thought forms emanated from the Creator, then we have no matter at all, and yet it all looks the same and behaves in the same way. n place of material boundaries we have logical limitations, more orless the same thing. In that case, all perception is spiritual, and the "miracle" is that we somehow can disentagle the putative "physical world" from it, since that represents the basis of thought that we all share.  If you believe in Oneness, this is a far simpler way to view matters than to try to produce spiritual effects from obdurate matter.

That said, I still vote for a human receptor as being superior.

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Reply #8 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 5:45pm
 
Senote,

I don't discount that spiritual beings may through great effort cause physical phenomenon to manifest.  That is not my point.  The point is, the idea of a spirit meter would miss the vast majority of those in the afterlife since they are in a  plane of consciousness.  Communication in the physical thus far has not been practical - it is quite likely that only "stuck" or low level spirits would use their time and strive to make this physical communication possible. 

The idea of using a spirit meter to locate a spook, who has no real "location" in the physical plane is silly to me.  Once we shed our bodies, we generally don't have much power on the physical plane.  l


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Reply #9 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 6:19pm
 
Hey doc,what about people who think there not dead.By the way,would you send me your email address again.I have tryed about 4 times to email you,but it comes back to me.George
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Reply #10 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 6:33pm
 
I believe that stuck people, people who think they are not dead are closest to the physical plane (by desire/thought).  They probably are responsibe for hauntings and poltergeists, etc.  Can other spiritually enlightened souls/angels manifest in the physical - probably, who knows for sure?

But I wouldn't count on a spirit meter to make contact with those in the spirit world.  Was it Jesse James, who said he robbed banks, "cause that's where the money was?"  Walking around with a geiger counter for spooks is looking for love in all the wrong places.  Any physician who has seen a person die/dead body knows this.  They go from being animate to inanimate.  And so, why go in the physical to look for the spirit?


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Reply #11 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 10:41pm
 
DocM wrote on Mar 9th, 2007 at 6:33pm:
I believe that stuck people, people who think they are not dead are closest to the physical plane (by desire/thought).  They probably are responsibe for hauntings and poltergeists, etc.  Can other spiritually enlightened souls/angels manifest in the physical - probably, who knows for sure?

But I wouldn't count on a spirit meter to make contact with those in the spirit world.  Was it Jesse James, who said he robbed banks, "cause that's where the money was?"  Walking around with a geiger counter for spooks is looking for love in all the wrong places.  Any physician who has seen a person die/dead body knows this.  They go from being animate to inanimate.  And so, why go in the physical to look for the spirit?


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I didnt take it that the 'spirit meter' idea was to contact those in the spirit world but rather to provide supportive physical evidence. Several of the better more credible mediums (and lots of the less credible ones lol) always describe loved ones as "being with you" or "he was with you when your baby was born" etc which implies a sort of physical type presence and also some kind of 'viewpoint'. Now even though the world of spirit is on a spirtual plane who's to say that interaction with the physical plane doesn't create phenomena like cold spots etc that can be registered detected and measured.
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Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 8:55pm
 
My impression is that the only spirits that we can contact through physical methods tend to be those that are relatively earthbound through some kind of attachment. As Matthew says, trying to locate the Spirit World in the physical makes no sense. But trying to locate earthbound spooks in the vicinity of places to which they are attached, and where they may be causing things like lectical or temperature changes, makes a lot more. I still think that a sensitive is most likely to be effective, but some of the manifestations should be measurable objectively.

Incidently, one way to create a physical effect is to follow a worldline along which that effect will occur - the sort of thing that appears to have created the effects studied by John Dunne in his Experiment With Time - which gives an ambiguous readout, since the selection of natural causes to project "unnatural" communications can be interpreted in several ways, only one of which is spiritual.

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