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Tempest should be removed from this forum
Mar 3rd, 2007 at 9:13pm
 
In my humble opinion Tempest should be removed from this forum because:

1. She undermines every idea that anyone comes up with in the mistaken impression that she is teaching people a lesson

2. She shows no discrimination in how she does this, and may do irreparable harm to people who just want a place to express their curiosity about many subjects, many of the subjects which are close to their hearts

3. She not only undermines individuals but also the entire forum

4. The way in which she does this is insidious and not open; she apparently assumes that people will "catch on" to her ways and then she can lord her great wisdom over them with false congratulations

5. The negativity which is consistently a part of her posts is "bad energy" and serves no good purpose with relation to Bruce Moen's intentions in creating this site

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Re: Tempest should be removed from this forum
Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:16pm
 
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In my humble opinion Tempest should be removed from this forum because:

1. She undermines every idea that anyone comes up with in the mistaken impression that she is teaching people a lesson

2. She shows no discrimination in how she does this, and may do irreparable harm to people who just want a place to express their curiosity about many subjects, many of the subjects which are close to their hearts

3. She not only undermines individuals but also the entire forum

4. The way in which she does this is insidious and not open; she apparently assumes that people will "catch on" to her ways and then she can lord her great wisdom over them with false congratulations

5. The negativity which is consistently a part of her posts is "bad energy" and serves no good purpose with relation to Bruce Moen's intentions in creating this site

love, blink

I agree!
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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:16pm
 
Blink,

Please remove this thread, if you are open to doing so.   You can PM or use the peer moderator system.  I feel the difference in energy, but I also feel a longing/sadness from Tempest.  I think part of the problem may be seen in the Demons thread - and I have attempted to respond to it. 

Either way, this forum is big enough to handle many points of view.


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Matthew
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Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:37pm
 
I disagree.  What a crappy thread.
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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:47pm
 
I'm very sorry Matt, and I do respect your opinion, but when the peer moderation system was put into place I swore to myself that I would never go behind anyone's back to complain about them.

I swore that if it came down to such a situation I would state my case openly. Therefore, at this junction, I felt it necessary, and I do not take the kind of suggestion that I make lightly at all...

...and I do not suggest that everyone do this every time they are unhappy with someone.

However, this is the only way I, personally, can do it with integrity.

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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:57pm
 
Blink,

It is your choice, but creating a thread, personally about someone like this won't accomplish your goals.  Your opinion will be seen, but it really doesn't create a change - and now it becomes......personal.  If it were me, I'd use the peer moderator system, and mention in the thread that I planned to do so - rather than creating this thread.  I do respect your freedom to choose and your openness.

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Reply #6 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 10:58pm
 
I honestly don't think anyone cares if you have beef with Temptest.  Why don't you just PM her and duke it out that way?  This thread has nooooothing to do with any type of afterlife topic whatsoever.  What a waiste!  Please put the egos aside for a moment and look at how rediulous this thread is!  Not to mention how rediculous your beef is with Temptest.  You misinterpret much of what she has to say, I know this for a fact because I read what she writes with no emotional interference and I know she is not what you make her out to be.  Where is the PUL that you talk about so often?  I suppose you do not practice what you preach.
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Reply #7 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 11:05pm
 
OOB,

Expressing PUL does not mean that you can not disagree with someone or even get riled up or feel that they are negative in some way.  This is part of our humanity.

I have also seen what Blink sees.  I have seen Tempest generalizing with negative statements about how hypocritical this forum is, or how unfriendy or unloving the posters are (this occured almost immediatey on the DK thread).  Despite all this, you and I agree that creating a thread personally directed at a poster, no matter how honest and open, is inappropriate.

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Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2007 at 11:14pm
 
This is an indication of exactly how strongly I feel about this subject.

It does not matter to me if anyone sees this in the way that I see it. My guidance specifically told me to make this post, during meditation, and I sighed, and I said....okay.

I willingly remove myself from this forum rather than continue reading post after post from good-hearted people which are followed by mean-spirited comments by this particular person.

Good luck to you all, and I'll see you in the future sometime.

This is not high drama. It is simply fact. My guidance says this is unhealthy and I will not participate in it.

love, blink.    signing off
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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 3:20am
 
This board needs active moderation, not simply the peer system currently in place.

Respected members should be appointed as moderators of each of the boards, preferably two or more. These persons should have a certain level of awareness and the temperament to handle the rough and tumble of this board. An example of the level of awareness would be graduate of TMI's Lifeline program and others who have the equivalent awareness. We need people in touch with Guidance who can in turn guide the newer members, however subtly, towards greater awareness while also spotting energy vampires and teaching them with PUL, or suspending or removing them as appropriate, again with PUL. Some of this guidance is already provided by individuals but on a selective basis. There are members of Linn's board here who could fulfill this function, and others as well.

The current system forces someone to either go behind someone's back or risk a flame war in the open. A moderator would have the authority already in place to handle issues in an open and transparent manner while also having the power to remove persistent offenders. Bruce would then only have to moderate the moderators.

I think most of us who have been around these boards for a while know that the average level of awareness of the members of Linn's board is higher than on this one. This is not a bad thing, but points to the need for more hands-on management here. Unfortunately, Bruce is not available to actively moderate these threads on a consistent basis because the focus of his spiritual efforts lie elsewhere. I think authority should be delegated to appropriate moderators to keep this board running smoothly and to allow Guidance more opportunities to assist.

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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 10:53am
 
You know, we could all just ignore folks we don't care to read.  It's a really simple fix.

When my kid was very small and would come and announce her discovery of great truths, I heard what she said, and smiled and patted her head and told her she was a good kid, but didn't take anything to heart that wasn't proved out by my own experience.  Once in a while she even had a new take on something,  but I bought that or not through my discernment as an adult.

Worrying about what other posters think with no back-up to their reasoning, is about on a par with getting upset when a little kid yells "I hate you." because you said no you can't set the dog on fire.
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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 2:17pm
 
Cricket,

What you propose is the easy way. It means doing nothing until the other person fits the requirements of OUR ego-based perception.

You can't get through to anyone by ignoring them. Trying to assist someone with kindness and patience while tolerating their abusive behavior is much more difficult, but the only way to reach someone who doesn't listen very well.

If guides and helpers used this black & white thinking you suggest, no human on this planet would ever get any assistance unless they behaved perfectly. On second thought, perfect people wouldn't get assisted, either, because they wouldn't need it. So guides and helpers using your approach wouldn't have anything to do. Easy for them, disastrous for us.

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Reply #12 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 3:21pm
 
Cricket,

Am I to understand that you mean that we should not engage in a power struggle? That is how I read your post, though I am prone to see that point of view.

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To the idea of banning or censoring expression:

I have no issues with Tempest. She and I could disagree on the very fact that we exist and each of us would have a valid argument based on our experiences. I cannot speak for Tempest's experiences, nor she for mine. I view Tempests posts as just a different experience for a different person. I am secure enough in my experiences that I am not threatened by her posts, but quite frankly, find them funny. They are not funny from the standpoint of discounting them, but funny in the fact that she illicits such a flurry of responses.

I am not here to enlighten anyone. I am here to enlighten myself. My ego will not be wounded or bruised because I want to believe that everyone shares my perceptions. At this moment, someone reading this posts may want to respond to this post because they feel that I have somehow wounded them, but I say to them that I do not disagree with you, but I do not share your perception. I cannot discount or suppress expression simply because it fails to fall within my framework.

In the end, it will be Bruce's decision, though I feel his posting guidelines say it all.


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Reply #13 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 3:48pm
 
I am with you on this one Cricket. I have opted, through guide and spirit advice, to simply skip the posts from posters who are recognized as offensive. We all have our own lines drawn as to what offensive is, so go by that. I am incouraging new posters to do the same. In my opinion these types of posts only serve their master. They feed on fear, if you simply don't give them that power...they dissipate. 

Quote from Rob:
"You can't get through to anyone by ignoring them. Trying to assist someone with kindness and patience while tolerating their abusive behavior is much more difficult, but the only way to reach someone who doesn't listen very well."

I agree with you on this one Rob, but sometimes helping someone who doesn't want it is like banging your head up against a wall. What do you get...a bloody head...a headache? I too see crys for help but I am not that kind of warrior. If you are Rob then go for it... I applaud you.

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Reply #14 - Mar 4th, 2007 at 3:49pm
 
Blink, I had taken a leave of absence (so to speak) to get away from all the negative energy here but I can't leave it entirely as it was Bruce's books that got me started November 1999. I was so happy to see that he had a website and this board. At first it was really great coming here with others sharing their experiences. Then it got more and more argumentative over time with others coming in and trying to enforce their beliefs on others.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is take a leave of absence but don't leave here for good. You would be very missed. You've been here quite awhile too. As has Alysia and many others.  I try to remember that we are all connected, we are all ONE even though we may have different beliefs.

My 2 cents worth. Wink

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