Hi Everybody,

I had an unexpected detour today when I decided to go ice skating in my usual OBE place.

I usually skate alone and there isn't much scenery except for an occasional varriation.  It is basicly a slightly flattend, inverted cone shaped hunk of ice drifting in a vast blackness. Music seems to flow everywhere. It is very peaceful. I usually don't notice what I am wearing so I think I am sans clothing. I keep meaning to check when I am there but I seem to get caught up in the monent and forget.

I arrived on a snowbank surrounded by tall pine trees, the smell was fabulous. I looked out onto the ice and to my surprise it was full of people. Families, couples, people doing people things. At this point I did remember to check out my attire. To my relief I was clothed in a white sweater and pant outfit. I stood on the bank and watched for a couple of minutes. I wasn't sure if I was supposed to be there. Was I intruding? So I waited.

I checked out the scene. It was just beautifull. White hills of snow, heavely peppered with tall pine trees surrounded the ice. I looked back at the skaters and noticed many of them had left. It was now mostly just very small groups out in the distance. I decided it was time to step out onto the ice but I noticed I had snow boots on. I usuallly skate in my bare feet. I was going to take my boots off when something caught my attention from way on the other side of the pond. There was something moving between some trees. I strained to see but it was to far away and obscured by the greenery. My friend stepped out from the trees into the clearing. He seemed to be waiting for my response. As soon as he saw that I was happy to see him he started to approach. I turned my head away for just a monent and when I turned back he was there.  He reached his hand out and I accepted his invitation. We steped on to the ice and we made the first glide of our skates but instead of going forward we shot up into the air. We went through the blue sky and the clouds. When we reached our altitude we were floating in the darkness.

We floated for only a second, just long enough for me to know that we were both smilling. We started spinning in circles seperaterly and I could see that we were becoming vapor like. Then our circles became intwined creating a figure eight. At that moment we both became balls of spinning white and yellow light. We kept moving in the figure eight shape at an increasing amount of speed until you could not tell where one begins and the other ends. This went on for a while. I could then see sparks of 'light' shooting off in all directions from us. They were small sparks at first but became increasingly larger as this activity continued. Finally there was a blast of energy from the core of us that burst out with a lot of force. I could see big chunks of golden white light were circling us as we came to a stop. We were immediately 'ourselves' again just floating in the dark laughing our 'donkies' off. We had a big laugh and then floated back through the sky and clouds and onto the ice. I had just enough time to give him a big grin and I was back.

The first thing I noticed was a feeling of electricity surging through me. It was a bit much at first but tappered off to a comfortable buzzing. After a few minutes I tried to get up but my feet were all prickly, like when they are asleep, and I felt a little woozy. I rested for awhile and feel a lot better. I still feel a little 'floaty' though, but I'm sure that will pass.

I don't know yet what happened, what we were doing, but I know it was all good whatever it was.

Has anyone had a similar experience or have any ideas of what the meaning might be?
As usual thanks for your help.   Love, Stacy

Hi Bets,

I remember your 'Trouper' deram. It seemed to me to be a very positive growth spurt for you. What you say is true, many of the discussions on this board create a powerful PUL energy that we carry with us; allowing us to 'sprout our wings and fly' so to speak. I lilke your husbands advice; "Well----stay grounded." It is solid advice. lol You say "as I have noticed I get not as clear about physical space and driving a car when I'm still floating from spirit." This is what I ment by 'floaty' feeling, only you explained it much better.

I am not sure if I chose this location or the experience. I have no knowledge of setting my intent there. It is possible though that I did make these arrangements because I have been receiving 'information' for days now. (This happens often and I have learned it is nothing to fear) It feels as though I am being 'downloaded' with information and sometimes I even answer audibly but I have no idea on a human level what is going on. What I mean is..I know information is being 'fed' into my mind but my puny human brain can not recognise or interpret. So there is that possibility.

Figure eight = eternity. Thats what I came up with, but you know how sometimes there is more than one meaning.

So Bets you don't think I was intruding in a location I didn't belong? I don't have a lot of experience with 'others' out there. My excursions are usually solo, but I have been noticing more people in the background on these 'trips'. I am sure there is an etiquette, so I will follow common courtesy and respect. Can't go wrong there, and if I do I will probably be forgiven quickly because my intent was good. Silly human. lol

Anyway, thanks kiddo, Lots of Love to you, Stacy

hi Stacy. ive been ice skating in my head too..fun.

By the number of skaters u saw meant that this kind of experience is tied into the shall we say extraordinarily common..in that is signifies union of spirit and oneness. or even upliftment of each other by soulmates or just lovers.

treasure them, they appear rarely but is an indication of your growth into spirit areas.
love, alysia

Hi Stacy,

from the experiences you told it sounds like Focus 27.
I don't know to what degree the Monroe/TMI system is objective, meaning for everyone valid in the same way, but what I can say is it is very useful for me. Sometimes though I don't know in what Focus Level I am, and I don't care much. But I use the Focus Levels to sort the experiences I have in meditation, like "this felt like near Focus 27" or so. When I "made my way" the first times to F 27 consciously, I imagined places (or better, half active imagination, half it came)along my journey, so that I could hop from place to place. You know, to allow active imagination can be helpful. I once saw a hypnotizer preparing a client for the dentist because of narcotics allergy. The hypnotizer made his client imagine a beautiful place of safety, warmth, etc. Now, in what Focus level was the client? We don't know exactly.
What seems to me about the special places in F 27, they are private. That means, if you want to be alone there, you will be alone. If you think you'd like some company, then maybe some people show up, usually personal helpers. That means also, you cannot intrude into another person's private place (when it's not wanted), so don't worry about this. There are people out there who are not aware of their imaginative power, so they are not able to make decisions about the state of privacy of the place they are in. So it might be one can show up there, as it happens in retrievals for example, but it isn't a crime you know. What counts is the intention. I think one can also modificate how one appears to others, even to be invisible to others. In the Belief System Territory my guides shielded me, so that I couldn't be seen by the inhabitants, as in many places there this is not liked when a guy appears in the air. But I feel when this is the case, so I keep a distance and/or go in camouflage mode then. "I belong as high as I can reach" sounds good to me!
This moving upwards from Focus 27 mostly ends in a place of white and grey fog, but with a sense of "my" people nearby (or within me), and love, and relief from the narrowing and annoyance of things/forms. Sometimes it's different though.
The spacy blackness, I see it mostly with star-dots, I'm not sure if it's related to one specific focus level, but if I'd say it's Focus 21 or slightly higher. That's what it feels like to me. From this place I can do retrievals for example. Or go anywhere.

I'd like to note that I am almost ever more or less aware of my physical body during this, so I call it "mind journeys" rather than "OBEs". I had two OBEs, and they are different.

Spooky

I have a question for Spooky and Daiseymae. 

You both mentioned visits to a white foggy place.  Last night I was very relaxed and trying to get to focus 10 or something (I have a ways to go to get to focus 27).  Then my awareness was of what I called white cloudiness with a sense of light filling it up.  There was also a sense of comfort, warmth and peace.  I use the term cloudiness because there were fluffy rounded irregular shaped but all white.  I’m just wondering if this is similar to what you are describing as fogginess?  Is this fog uniformly spread out or could there be a cloudy aspect to it?

I’d appreciate your thoughts or descriptions about this foggy place or space.  I’ve really enjoyed the discussion in this thread.  Thanks - Rob

Quote Stacy:
"So am I correct that we mean the same thing? half active imagination = action-reaction"

When you manipulate something, and a person is turning the head saying "Hey! What you're doing here?!" that would be a very good sign that you're not alone with your fantasy. A standard for me is I imagine a landscape. Mostly a park, woods or something like that. Then I walk around. If I had something specific in mind to do, I would remember, for example meeting someone. This landscape now is a sort of background, a space I created for something to happen, priming the pump as Bruce has called it. If then someone shows up I mostly don't care much of the surrounding, and usually it's becoming to get fast, it feels as if something is using my ability to imagine much faster as I do it on my own, and this is I think the translation process, you get something through nonphysical senses (who knows what this actually is) and then the imaginative ability is used to make a representation of it.
Once I thought I was in F27. I remembered that "The Park" is suggested to be a sort of public area, where actually different persons can meet. So I decided to do a test. I tried to change the sky/the weather. I thought I had success, though it was not easy, having changed it into something different, but then it jumped back to its original look, like a rubber band. I thought then that in this moment I was seeing an independent place.
But generally, I cannot tell wether this or that detail is made up by me or actually something independent of my personal mind; I judge more the entire happening, if the whole thing is feeling like private fantasy or if it's more, like too much unexpected things happened, simply too many things happened, or it's just too strange for being my fantasy lol!
Quote Stacy:
"If I used the 'half active imagination = action-reaction' method along with intent could/would this draw people into the script I started?" I'm not sure if, or to what degree this is possible. I think who could show up in a setting are your personal helpers, as I guess they know what you're thinking and doing and why and they like sometimes to play along (at least mine). When you have one or more partners for exploration, then I guess it could be that a surrounding, a story or whatever you use as a start setting could bleed through to the other, but also vice versa. As to strangers, I don't know really...if they, so to say, would "hook up" to your imagination. The closest to this that I can remember is when I did a particular type of retrievals. I called it "blind retrievals". I was on my way to F27 and thought, try to do a retrieval en passant; I sort of radiated in a white loving manner (at least that's what I wanted to appear) and spread the message that if there is someone who wants to get out and have a ride with me then just come here, I am going right now. To my surprise this was always successful. When moving upwards, I found there were always people with me. I suspect they must have been not the really closed down types, but I don't know how this works. But what you always can do is to state what you want and what not, for example if you only want contact with certain people and not with everybody who is just hanging around nearby and is attracted for whatever reason, then say (or communicate it in whatever way) this in your mind.

Quote Stacy: "I don't know how many foggy spaces there are but this one is very peaceful and I did not feel alone either."
Yes, I found this white foggy place which is beyond forms, and maybe this white fog is just to give us something to say "there is no form here". Sounds very similar to this place I frequently visit. If you want to explore this further, but don't know what to do in this nothingness (well you don't have to do anything, maybe it's even better to just do nothing and not explore), then you might try not to search around you if you can find someone outside you, but to focus on the "here", on the "within" (this is of course metaphoric, but it works for me). I then always notice I'm not alone, quite the opposite. Hearing works better there than seeing so I found.
From some level on descriptions will become more poetic than logical. I for example like "the emptiness which is richness". I have those impressions either in the white foggy place, or in blackness, or in what looks like outer space, star dots, galaxies and such.
But of course there are other foggy places, quite a lot I think, but the difference is easy to notice, as usual after a short time a scene is forming, someone is showing up, so that this foggy visual in this case is a sort of "tuning in" static, or, well, simply a foggy place, maybe astral London. But, as I said, the difference is immense and it's impossible to confuse it.

Rob, I would say these cloudy shapes in my experience are just too diffuse to be actual shapes, but too differentiated than to be just blank. It's as if it's formless, but also that there is something (but not really things, you know). Maybe a bit like the fog in the movie "The Fog" (but take that horror figures away), because there it glowed too, but it wasn't really glowing; overall the visual aspect was as if to say "the visual here is not important". If I had to paint it, I would use aquacolor wet-in-wet technique or airbrush.
And I think Stacy is right, maybe it's not difficult at all for you to go to Focus 27. You could try to go through the Focus Levels. You know, there is meanwhile quite a lot information, "rotes" out there and help, from all the ones who use this Focus Level method, that I guess it is becoming more and more easy to travel this way.

Spooky

Truely my pleasure Rob...... Reach High!