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Re: What is everyone's views on hell???
Reply #45 - Apr 10^th, 2007 at 5:51pm

"Alright, I'll check out that book and David Fontana.. Thanks for your help.. Anyways what is your belief about hell?"
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DaBears, for me the issue is not the "eternity" of Hell. Hell is not subject to our physical time. The important observation is the biblical and New Age implication that God's love never permanently abandons anyone after death. So retrievals from Hell are always possible but never coerced. The important mystery is whether some of the hellbound are so close-minded that they are beyond redemption. This question can never be answered theoretically or on the basis of a few astral visits. It can only be answered by the relentless quest of loving incarnate and discarnate souls who explore and do what it takes to develop strategies to change the energetic make-up of the Hellbound to a vibration that enables their release. Relentless lcving action, not belief is the key.

DaBears, please understand my goal here. I am a Christian and wish everyone would become a Christian. But many Christians are close-minded and unloving. Churches don't turn anyone away. For example, many Christians find incompetent advocates of evolution and then ridicule their inept arguments. In so doing, they conveniently ignore the best biologists who really do know what they're talking about. David Fontana's survey of afterlife evidence is far superior to anything you'll find on the internet. He is decidedly a New Ager, but tries to be as objective as possible and is clearly open-minded enough to elude my Ghetto label. If you progress from Fontana's "Is There an Afterlife?" to a book of experiences outside the New Age movement, you will beel cleansed and empowered by a new sense of intellectual integrity.

Yes, read Fontana, but then read the amazing paranormal experiences in books like Johanna Michaelson's "The Beautiful Side of Evil" or Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil." If you progrss in this way, you will be suprised by how much more confident you become in your developing spiritual discernment. If you read Fontana, post your reactions on this site.

Don

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Re: What is everyone's views on hell???
Reply #46 - Apr 11^th, 2007 at 4:55pm

Berserk wrote on Apr 10^th, 2007 at 5:51pm:

"Alright, I'll check out that book and David Fontana.. Thanks for your help.. Anyways what is your belief about hell?"
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DaBears, for me the issue is not the "eternity" of Hell. Hell is not subject to our physical time. The important observation is the biblical and New Age implication that God's love never permanently abandons anyone after death. So retrievals from Hell are always possible but never coerced. The important mystery is whether some of the hellbound are so close-minded that they are beyond redemption. This question can never be answered theoretically or on the basis of a few astral visits. It can only be answered by the relentless quest of loving incarnate and discarnate souls who explore and do what it takes to develop strategies to change the energetic make-up of the Hellbound to a vibration that enables their release. Relentless lcving action, not belief is the key.

DaBears, please understand my goal here. I am a Christian and wish everyone would become a Christian. But many Christians are close-minded and unloving. Churches don't turn anyone away. For example, many Christians find incompetent advocates of evolution and then ridicule their inept arguments. In so doing, they conveniently ignore the best biologists who really do know what they're talking about. David Fontana's survey of afterlife evidence is far superior to anything you'll find on the internet. He is decidedly a New Ager, but tries to be as objective as possible and is clearly open-minded enough to elude my Ghetto label. If you progress from Fontana's "Is There an Afterlife?" to a book of experiences outside the New Age movement, you will beel cleansed and empowered by a new sense of intellectual integrity.

Yes, read Fontana, but then read the amazing paranormal experiences in books like Johanna Michaelson's "The Beautiful Side of Evil" or Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil." If you progrss in this way, you will be suprised by how much more confident you become in your developing spiritual discernment. If you read Fontana, post your reactions on this site.

Don

I agree, with most of your statements.. Besides the whole everyone become a Christian.. I believe whatever brings you closest to God, that should be the religion for you.. That would be LOVE in general..

Yes, I will read those books and post what I think about them..

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Re: What is everyone's views on hell???
Reply #47 - Apr 11^th, 2007 at 4:56pm

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Based upon a recent experice of mine, this subject becomes very interesting. The short story is that fear makes visiting a hell far, far worse and I would advise against it. If you take the experience with the "armor of observation", then visiting hell can be very educational. Keep your heart filled with confidence and you will be well protected.

The long story:

I have a dream where I see a constructed creek filled to the top with water. The water makes me uneasy because I imagine many things hidden beneath it, some are good and some I may not want to deal with at this time. I know that the water holds many things to explore, but I do not wish to become overwhelmed just yet so I take off into the void and the scene ends.

Timeless seconds later, I envision a world of lava and caves. Before I can explore the worlds, I wake up in a lava cave strapped into a torture chair with three disordered beings off to the side where I can not see them. I am there in that body, and yet I am not. The beings seem more complex than just evil beings but they simply want to torture me with a heating coil that closes over my body and bakes me alive. They bring the device down upon my body and the body feels the pain and screams but in a strange paradox, I am observing my body in main and have no hurt bothering me. The body is taking serious damage but I do not even care because according to this dream, that body is not me. The body is fearful and afriad of falling into the lava right under the chair but I am actually enjoying the insight I have gained from the situation and have no care about what is happening.

Waking up from the dream, I am not afraid at all since I have just learned that I can not exactly burn in hell because I do not have a body that can be tortured.

Sorry, for skipping over this story.. I was caught in a little debate.. I think this story says a lot right here about the ego and fear of hell.. It grips you at first until you realize there is nothing to fear not even fear itself! Nice, dream and story.. Thanks for your help!

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