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Re: What is everyone's views on hell???
Reply #15 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 12:23pm
 
Good morn cosmic. thanks for your cheer. so I was thinking about Alex here, he has been making me smile a lot to see him here and there on a thread. was thinking how connected we all are these days. Alex is showing the influence of what he's picked up from his childhood, but I think it's more than that. He has dropped a couple of bombs here and there which struck me odd but refreshing of what he's learning.
these youngsters that started to incarnate during the 80's up to now will be very helpful for the shift in consciousness is my thought, as they pull wisdom out of us.

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Reply #16 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 6:14pm
 
LaffingRain wrote on Feb 25th, 2007 at 12:23pm:
Good morn cosmic. thanks for your cheer. so I was thinking about Alex here, he has been making me smile a lot to see him here and there on a thread. was thinking how connected we all are these days. Alex is showing the influence of what he's picked up from his childhood, but I think it's more than that. He has dropped a couple of bombs here and there which struck me odd but refreshing of what he's learning.
these youngsters that started to incarnate during the 80's up to now will be very helpful for the shift in consciousness is my thought, as they pull wisdom out of us.

love, alysia

I'm glad I make you smile! !Smiley I hope to improve on my wisdom for sure.. I will for sure because you guys are already helping me out with that! Thank you and peace
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Reply #17 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 9:55pm
 
DaBears wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 3:20pm:
ricktimet wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 2:09pm:
Da bears,

Hell is a real place of substance, as well as a condition. Just as the Park area was created by humans since the beginning of time, so were created these hells, by the thoughts of those of that conscious level, making them as real a place as you want them to be. There is also a place called the twilight zone, on the Earth plane of consciousness where sudden deaths do not yet realize they have passed out of body, and are stuck in between Earth consciousness, and astral consciousness until they are retrieved.
While there is no satan, the devil, fire and brimstone, or eternal damnation, there is if you so choose for it to be there. The catch word here is thoughts. Once we enter the world of spirit, we become complete beings of thought, and all you greatest fears will materialize. Be they satan, the devil, aliens, or any creature you have within your thoughts.

The true hell is not in the surroundings that we find ourselves in, it is our conscious thoughts, and memories of the wrong doings that we have done on Earth, that since all that we have now is our thoughts, our own thoughts of remeberence of the wicked acts, keeps us prisoner in this condition, by way of Gods unchangeabale laws of cause and effect, and the law of compensation. So the key is forgetfulness, is forgiveness. For those that are unaware of this, these are the souls that need to be rescued. The only way that I have heard of to avoid this condition, what may be called sin, is to pray for Gods love while still in the physical body, so the soul is purified before it leaves here, releasing it from these laws, this is the only way, all will see, for some unfortunately, not until they find themselves on the other side in this condition. If not, then each soul will gravitate to it's own coresponding condition. Church, Religion, has nothing to do with it, The Creator governs all of the universe. One must now ask himself, when we enter the next dimension: "what focus level will I be in/"

Dimensionally Yours,
ricktimet

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Ok I see what you mean. So, if I know there is no fire and brimstone hell.. But I am afraid of it will I still go there?? Because that is how I am now... After looking over this site and seeing consciouness creates reality in the afterlife.. I have been fearing a hell like that for quite a bit.. Untill I read this site.. But than I am still afraid of it because maybe I already created it for myself...

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DA BEARS -----Sweetie, lets keep it simple......forget about Hell.....All you have to know and believe and practice from this day on is LOVE.....love yourself, love your neighbors, love everybody regardless of who or what they are.......The whole kingdom of Heaven is unconditional LOVE----GOD IS LOVE...The Angels are LOVE, the whole spiritworld is LOVE......you are LOVE....simple as that.....
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Reply #18 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 10:56pm
 


DA BEARS -----Sweetie, lets keep it simple......forget about Hell.....All you have to know and believe and practice from this day on is LOVE.....love yourself, love your neighbors, love everybody regardless of who or what they are.......The whole kingdom of Heaven is unconditional LOVE----GOD IS LOVE...The Angels are LOVE, the whole spiritworld is LOVE......you are LOVE....simple as that..... [/quote]

Hey thanks for your kind words! Smiley I will start to think more about that. I will try to think only postive things here on out.. You are right it is all about just LOVE in general.. That is the key to heaven. I just need to keep on thinking that God loves me unconditionally and my angels are here to help me as  well!
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Reply #19 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 11:03pm
 
DaBears wrote on Feb 25th, 2007 at 10:56pm:
DA BEARS -----Sweetie, lets keep it simple......forget about Hell.....All you have to know and believe and practice from this day on is LOVE.....love yourself, love your neighbors, love everybody regardless of who or what they are.......The whole kingdom of Heaven is unconditional LOVE----GOD IS LOVE...The Angels are LOVE, the whole spiritworld is LOVE......you are LOVE....simple as that.....


Hey thanks for your kind words! Smiley I will start to think more about that. I will try to think only postive things here on out.. You are right it is all about just LOVE in general.. That is the key to heaven. I just need to keep on thinking that God loves me unconditionally and my angels are here to help me as  well! [/quote]
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You "got it" sweetie.....Just remember to keep things simple..."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" & LOVE, LOVE, LOVE.. & YES, your Angels are around you all the time & all you need to do is ask & they will be there for you.....with God's permission--all things are possible.....Love, Light & Peace
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Reply #20 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 12:48am
 
To rip off the anti guns slogan:

GOD DOESN'T JUDGE PEOPLE, PEOPLE JUDGE PEOPLE
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Reply #21 - Feb 28th, 2007 at 4:21pm
 
In my view, hell is any kind of embodied/non-embodied existence where suffering is experienced. Thus, this world, for example, can also be qualified as hell: a small child experiences lots of pains and discomforts that he/she cannot properly express; a teen experiences lots of disillusions with various aspects of life; an adult suffers broken love, marriages, loss of loved ones, wars, belief system crashes, etc.; an elderly person suffers diseases, loneliness, confusion, poverty, and the pains of dying...

During my holotropic breathwork experience, I got acquainted with disembodied states of suffering. These are no longer personal, brain and rational mind are not functioning to develop any kind of strategy to avoid the suffering or to ask for help. There is no reference point (sufferer), but simply impersonal suffering which occupies all space and all time. Many kinds of personal suffering which we experience here are much less painful than those impersonal ones. Once again, the main problem with "egoless" suffering is that it is not localized, so there is no region with suffering as opposed to some other region with less or no suffering, but suffering is equally dispersed everywhere, so there is no escape because there is no ego which could do the escape, neither the region where to escape.

Ego and rational thinking are rare gifts which allow to create patches of relative happiness in an infinite ocean of pain.
It's really amazing, how many people do not appreciate these things, such as a simple fact of being able to move and communicate... One has to experience in order to compare...
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Reply #22 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 7:10am
 
Imho , all humans can learn to travel the Tree of Life and develop clairvoyance to view the sepiroth and qlippoth realms . I work in a circle of mystic peers and we progress as Kaballahists , Alchemists and Hermetic Magicians together . We have been many times to Hels which do exist . I find that the realms we attain are not like we learn in any particular religion but more universal . Some of the places , angels and avatars have taken us to include ;

Gates of Death ~ a multiple energy gateway with pathways
* Love ~back to Earth for unfinished business
* Light ~ Truth pathway forward to begin plan for next incarnation
* Justice ~ a record system where we review our life
* Healing ~ Summerland for those traumatised spirits who left abruptly and do not realise yet

Afterlife homes of the deceased ~ very much like Robert Monroe's description but not constrained by false beliefs as he wrote , These are in all the afterlife realms from heavens to hels

Sea of Lost Souls ~ like the film What Dreams May Come with Robyn Williams a vast silver white sea of spirits spiraling aimlessly between hels and heavens . Regularly soul rescuers and angels lift the vibration to allow them to move on . They are constrained by their griefs , rages and other negative emotions and mire themselves there .

Upper Hell~a desolate place without guards or bars wide low city circle style fountains are placed throughout the realm .These have pillars of light above them . The negs are invitted by angels to wash in the fountain and enter the light to move on . Live projectors are brought there in qlippoth lessons to learn soul rescue.

Mouths of Helll ~under the gates of death are these tunnels one is two way and nothing prevents the deceased from exit but the others are constrained so that the entrance is the lake of fire and there is a one way flow of energy into the tunnels.
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Reply #23 - Apr 3rd, 2007 at 3:27pm
 
Aunt Clair wrote on Apr 3rd, 2007 at 7:10am:
Imho , all humans can learn to travel the Tree of Life and develop clairvoyance to view the sepiroth and qlippoth realms . I work in a circle of mystic peers and we progress as Kaballahists , Alchemists and Hermetic Magicians together . We have been many times to Hels which do exist . I find that the realms we attain are not like we learn in any particular religion but more universal . Some of the places , angels and avatars have taken us to include ;

Gates of Death ~ a multiple energy gateway with pathways
* Love ~back to Earth for unfinished business
* Light ~ Truth pathway forward to begin plan for next incarnation
* Justice ~ a record system where we review our life
* Healing ~ Summerland for those traumatised spirits who left abruptly and do not realise yet

Afterlife homes of the deceased ~ very much like Robert Monroe's description but not constrained by false beliefs as he wrote , These are in all the afterlife realms from heavens to hels

Sea of Lost Souls ~ like the film What Dreams May Come with Robyn Williams a vast silver white sea of spirits spiraling aimlessly between hels and heavens . Regularly soul rescuers and angels lift the vibration to allow them to move on . They are constrained by their griefs , rages and other negative emotions and mire themselves there .

Upper Hell~a desolate place without guards or bars wide low city circle style fountains are placed throughout the realm .These have pillars of light above them . The negs are invitted by angels to wash in the fountain and enter the light to move on . Live projectors are brought there in qlippoth lessons to learn soul rescue.

Mouths of Helll ~under the gates of death are these tunnels one is two way and nothing prevents the deceased from exit but the others are constrained so that the entrance is the lake of fire and there is a one way flow of energy into the tunnels.

So, there is a lake of fire hell too?
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Reply #24 - Apr 7th, 2007 at 5:41am
 

Hell/Hels is not a Christian concept . It is much older .Norse had Hels . Buddhists have demons & Hell too . Jews have a Hell.So do Muslims.

Here is a more global perspective ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell


Historically mystics have entered the qlippoth realms with teachers for lessons.I have been to the lower planes wih my peers , it does exist ;
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/index.php/topic,331.0.html
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Reply #25 - Apr 7th, 2007 at 4:25pm
 
Aunt Clair wrote on Apr 7th, 2007 at 5:41am:
Hell/Hels is not a Christian concept . It is much older .Norse had Hels . Buddhists have demons & Hell too . Jews have a Hell.So do Muslims.

Here is a more global perspective ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell


Historically mystics have entered the qlippoth realms with teachers for lessons.I have been to the lower planes wih my peers , it does exist ;
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/index.php/topic,331.0.html

That makes me ill to think people suffer in these hells that they have created by their subconscious minds... Sad
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Reply #26 - Apr 7th, 2007 at 7:46pm
 
DaBears the only way to think about it is that the astral realms are <temporary> hells due to our free will. and we have many retrievers. most retrievers are hidden from our view, working these areas. to suffer is only a belief system and can be changed.
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Reply #27 - Apr 7th, 2007 at 10:09pm
 
Aunt Clair wrote on Apr 7th, 2007 at 5:41am:
Buddhists have demons & Hell too .




It might seem like that if you've only looked at pictures or read books about Buddhism. But in practice.... there are no demons or hells from a non-dual perspective. Not to say that relative truth isn't real for those that experience it; you can experience ANYTHING in a dream. But ultimate truth (according to my experience/tradition) doesn't contain demons or hells. EVERYTHING comes from your own awareness.  There is nothing else.

It can't be put into words or pictures, so I'm left not making sense.

Still.... I love you.

We are not two.

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Reply #28 - Apr 8th, 2007 at 3:53am
 
LaffingRain wrote on Apr 7th, 2007 at 7:46pm:
DaBears the only way to think about it is that the astral realms are <temporary> hells due to our free will. and we have many retrievers. most retrievers are hidden from our view, working these areas. to suffer is only a belief system and can be changed.

Yeah, I know it's temporary but still burning in flames for a second makes me feel for these people.. Yet, they might be burning for a whole year.. IMAGINE THAT... :*( We don't know how long temporary is... I feel I might end up in one of these hells.. Because I just can't get the fear out of my mind that these hells CAN! exist only if you believe in them.. By thinking you will go there... Yes, it sounds easy to say just don't think you will go there.. But it freaks me out just by thinking it will create this hell for yourself..  The fact that it is an illusion still freaks me out.. Because to the ones experiencing it, it is real to them.. Than I think about what if I have already created this damn hell, since I was blinded by Christianity and struck by fear for so long about this hell they made up.. So, I don't know guys I think I may end up in this ungodly hell.. I can't stop worrying about it for some reason.. Even though I know it isn't real and that God never created hell.. So, for sure someone will need to rescue me, from my own fire and brimstone hell.. Anyone have tips on how to get this hell out of my mind??

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Reply #29 - Apr 8th, 2007 at 5:53am
 
We rarely saw fire . Most of the Hell realms we were lead to were dark and lower in vibration but the spirits there were only constrained by their own vibration . Their own fears , angst , griefs and rages constrained them and nothing else . It is like laffingrain said they were there only by  freewill . In soul rescue , some cannot see us some can . When they can see and hear a soul rescuer or another spirit in Hels or an angel , then they can be reached and rescued . When they lift their vibration they are free . Focusing on love , light , Godhead , angels or service for others etc will easily lift the vibration in these areas .
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