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Feb 22nd, 2007 at 6:44pm
 
This is Martinus's view on life after death for those who are stuck in the darker levels of consciouness... I think this view is quite interesting and I think I agree with it.. What are your guy'z views on hell??

Since there are no grounds to fear life after death, this is because there is no hell and no condemnation. Immediately after death, the human being gets into the first sphere that is the midway state between the physical world and the spiritual world. The midway state is a preparation zone before the entrance to the spiritual world, and it can be divided into a dark zone, comparable to the purgatory, and a light zone, that Martinus calls the paradise zone. In this symbol (symbol 37) we see the midway state as a black and a white area on top of the orange area. This orange coloured area at the bottom of the figure with its black-white fields, symbolizes the not ready developed man in his different states of progress from animal to man. This means that the more developed this individual is, the smaller amount of darkness there is to suggest from the consciousness after the entry of death. For the fully developed being, there is open and direct access for the cosmic rays from God. The triangle and the star above symbolize this God. The actual spiritual worlds - the real human kingdom, the kingdom of wisdom, the divine world and kingdom of bliss - are shown through the yellow, green, blue and the violet colours.

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It is only the stay in the dark zone of the middle state that might be unpleasant. That which will face the human being here, is his own thought images that were invisible in the physical world. In the dark zone of the middle stage these thought images become visible and thus the external world consists of his and other unhappy peoples thought images. If this person, when he dies, was caught up with conflicts and had severe pangs of conscience, or if he was filled with thoughts of martyrdom and was hateful and bitter at life, then these thoughts and ideas will create the surroundings that would meet the newly dead person here.

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Another discomfort of the midway state and its dark zone might be, that the human not immediately discovers that he is now dead. It might for example be a young person that suddenly dies in a car accident. Death occurs so suddenly and unexpectedly that the newly deceased initially lives on in the middle state as if nothing had happened, until he understands that he has been brought away from the physical reality and cannot come in contact with other people there.


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Reply #1 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 12:20am
 
hi, this is similar to Kurt Leland's book Otherwhere. you might like that book. love, alysia
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Reply #2 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 2:09pm
 
Da bears,

Hell is a real place of substance, as well as a condition. Just as the Park area was created by humans since the beginning of time, so were created these hells, by the thoughts of those of that conscious level, making them as real a place as you want them to be. There is also a place called the twilight zone, on the Earth plane of consciousness where sudden deaths do not yet realize they have passed out of body, and are stuck in between Earth consciousness, and astral consciousness until they are retrieved.
While there is no satan, the devil, fire and brimstone, or eternal damnation, there is if you so choose for it to be there. The catch word here is thoughts. Once we enter the world of spirit, we become complete beings of thought, and all you greatest fears will materialize. Be they satan, the devil, aliens, or any creature you have within your thoughts.

The true hell is not in the surroundings that we find ourselves in, it is our conscious thoughts, and memories of the wrong doings that we have done on Earth, that since all that we have now is our thoughts, our own thoughts of remeberence of the wicked acts, keeps us prisoner in this condition, by way of Gods unchangeabale laws of cause and effect, and the law of compensation. So the key is forgetfulness, is forgiveness. For those that are unaware of this, these are the souls that need to be rescued. The only way that I have heard of to avoid this condition, what may be called sin, is to pray for Gods love while still in the physical body, so the soul is purified before it leaves here, releasing it from these laws, this is the only way, all will see, for some unfortunately, not until they find themselves on the other side in this condition. If not, then each soul will gravitate to it's own coresponding condition. Church, Religion, has nothing to do with it, The Creator governs all of the universe. One must now ask himself, when we enter the next dimension: "what focus level will I be in/"

Dimensionally Yours,
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Reply #3 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 3:16pm
 
LaffingRain wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 12:20am:
hi, this is similar to Kurt Leland's book Otherwhere. you might like that book. love, alysia

Alright, cool I'll check it out.. Thanks! Smiley
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ricktimet wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 2:09pm:
Da bears,

Hell is a real place of substance, as well as a condition. Just as the Park area was created by humans since the beginning of time, so were created these hells, by the thoughts of those of that conscious level, making them as real a place as you want them to be. There is also a place called the twilight zone, on the Earth plane of consciousness where sudden deaths do not yet realize they have passed out of body, and are stuck in between Earth consciousness, and astral consciousness until they are retrieved.
While there is no satan, the devil, fire and brimstone, or eternal damnation, there is if you so choose for it to be there. The catch word here is thoughts. Once we enter the world of spirit, we become complete beings of thought, and all you greatest fears will materialize. Be they satan, the devil, aliens, or any creature you have within your thoughts.

The true hell is not in the surroundings that we find ourselves in, it is our conscious thoughts, and memories of the wrong doings that we have done on Earth, that since all that we have now is our thoughts, our own thoughts of remeberence of the wicked acts, keeps us prisoner in this condition, by way of Gods unchangeabale laws of cause and effect, and the law of compensation. So the key is forgetfulness, is forgiveness. For those that are unaware of this, these are the souls that need to be rescued. The only way that I have heard of to avoid this condition, what may be called sin, is to pray for Gods love while still in the physical body, so the soul is purified before it leaves here, releasing it from these laws, this is the only way, all will see, for some unfortunately, not until they find themselves on the other side in this condition. If not, then each soul will gravitate to it's own coresponding condition. Church, Religion, has nothing to do with it, The Creator governs all of the universe. One must now ask himself, when we enter the next dimension: "what focus level will I be in/"

Dimensionally Yours,
ricktimet

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Ok I see what you mean. So, if I know there is no fire and brimstone hell.. But I am afraid of it will I still go there?? Because that is how I am now... After looking over this site and seeing consciouness creates reality in the afterlife.. I have been fearing a hell like that for quite a bit.. Untill I read this site.. But than I am still afraid of it because maybe I already created it for myself...
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Reply #5 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 5:23pm
 
Da Bears, the fact that you are conscious of your fears shows your level of development is coming along. the next step is very simple. starting as far back as you can go, review your life to see if you created harm. go back to those others, where you think you need to straighten something out, wherever you find an uneasy feeling. if you cannot find them in your physical life, they are there in the nonphysical realm. Express your gratitude for these others in your life and if you need to say you're sorry, then do it at once.

in this way, you create freedom in the afterlife for yourself and need not fear bringing hellish thoughts into that future place. love, alysia
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Reply #6 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 1:09am
 
LaffingRain wrote on Feb 23rd, 2007 at 5:23pm:
Da Bears, the fact that you are conscious of your fears shows your level of development is coming along. the next step is very simple. starting as far back as you can go, review your life to see if you created harm. go back to those others, where you think you need to straighten something out, wherever you find an uneasy feeling. if you cannot find them in your physical life, they are there in the nonphysical realm. Express your gratitude for these others in your life and if you need to say you're sorry, then do it at once.

in this way, you create freedom in the afterlife for yourself and need not fear bringing hellish thoughts into that future place. love, alysia

Thank you for your great words of wisdom! Smiley I will do that by thinking of what I have done to harm others in the past..  While, I think about that I have already said I was sorry to people I have harmed.. Also, I have no hate towards no one... I try to like everyone.. I never really put anyone down.. I try to help others in need! I may cuss a bit and lie here and there and some porn here and there.. But other than that I think I'm a good guy.. Also, I am kind of a good b/f.. I only really need to work on my relationship with my girl..  

So, would you say I have anything to fear about hell??? I see it as how you go to a good place in the afterlife is that you always forgive others even your enemies and try to love everyone especially God and do unto others what  you want done unto you.. I think you will go to a great place!! Smiley  What you think?
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Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 1:41am
 
lol, DaBears, you're so young yet. you haven't done anything regretful yet, cussing and porn and lying sounds like a normal young man to me. you must have some traditional ideas of what hell is, and you're wrong. hell is here, we walk thru the fires now. if we learn PUL here we slide into all our bases home free. gets a little muddy though.
I think you'll be just fine. sometimes forgiveness is the only tool we have to get into a good place. you already seem to know the secret. You're a little bit amazing to me, considering your age.
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LaffingRain wrote on Feb 24th, 2007 at 1:41am:
lol, DaBears, you're so young yet. you haven't done anything regretful yet, cussing and porn and lying sounds like a normal young man to me. you must have some traditional ideas of what hell is, and you're wrong. hell is here, we walk thru the fires now. if we learn PUL here we slide into all our bases home free. gets a little muddy though.
I think you'll be just fine. sometimes forgiveness is the only tool we have to get into a good place. you already seem to know the secret. You're a little bit amazing to me, considering your age.

lol Yep, I do sound like a regular young man!! Smiley Yes, I do from my Catholic upbringing... There is no judgement only judgement by ourselves right? I see the afterlife for only improvement.. 

Yes, forgiveness is all we need really and Love..

Thanks for your help!! Smiley
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Reply #9 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 2:36am
 
Smiley yes we judge ourselves the most harshly and this will set up a hell inside. unless u can forgive yourself by thinking it through rather than avoiding the thinking part.

there may be a few people u can meet, they have no, what we call conscious, like you have. these are sad cases and u find them usually in jail. they may need your light the most. you won't have to deal with this until you are more prepared, and maybe not at all. keep your fresh approach and enjoy yourself. this person you are now, will only experience this life once although you will always be you.
I am not making a prediction. I just finished with my life review early and trying to pass on a little what I learned.
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Da bears,

Alysia sheds a great deal of light on your question also. Very good words of wisdom Alysia . Also da bears, if you feel that you have some issues in the early part of your life, now is a good time to deal with them in the physical, because it is much harder in the non-physical, because you do not have the physical body to hide behind. If you have Bruce Moen's home study course, I would suggest retrieving an aspect of self, and see if this will help get you on the path to spiritual development, by exploring these areas. Ah, it all would have been so simple, if we were all told the truth in the begining, instead of left to unravel the beliefs of our misguided teachings. Myself da bears, I was also brought up and baptised a catholic, but my explorations, and contact with the afterlife has changed me. As the true words of the Bible ring true for all, "Seek and ye shall Find".

Dimensionally Yours,
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ricktimet wrote on Feb 24th, 2007 at 12:47pm:
Da bears,

Alysia sheds a great deal of light on your question also. Very good words of wisdom Alysia . Also da bears, if you feel that you have some issues in the early part of your life, now is a good time to deal with them in the physical, because it is much harder in the non-physical, because you do not have the physical body to hide behind. If you have Bruce Moen's home study course, I would suggest retrieving an aspect of self, and see if this will help get you on the path to spiritual development, by exploring these areas. Ah, it all would have been so simple, if we were all told the truth in the begining, instead of left to unravel the beliefs of our misguided teachings. Myself da bears, I was also brought up and baptised a catholic, but my explorations, and contact with the afterlife has changed me. As the true words of the Bible ring true for all, "Seek and ye shall Find".

Dimensionally Yours,
ricktimet


Thank you for your help! Yeah, I'm glad that I'm young, so I have a long time to get this phobia out of my mind! I will get his study course sometime soon hopefully!!

Yeah, if they would have told us the truth from the start I wouldn't be in this mess! I am glad I am out of my religion and know the truth now! Catholicism is fear based and preaches about a wrathful God, which I totally don't agree with!!

Yes, that verse in the bible rings with truth for sure!! Smiley
peace and pray for me k??   Thanks my name is Alex Wolf Smiley
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Catholicism is fear based and preaches about a wrathful God


Seeing as how I am somewhat Gnostic by nature I whole-heartedly agree with your assessment.





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tmerc8 wrote on Feb 24th, 2007 at 2:52pm:
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Catholicism is fear based and preaches about a wrathful God


Seeing as how I am somewhat Gnostic by nature I whole-heartedly agree with your assessment.






Yes, it is very true about them how they preach hell fire and damnation.. Than on the other hand they preach a God of love and what not... It's like is this God of theirs a schizophrenic God or what?? And the Christian God to me seems to be a sadistic monster as well, by throwing people to burn in hell, not just burn in there but for eternity!! It is so ridiculous it makes me laugh... Oh well, they will see the true Loving God in the afterlife which is not judgemental by any means !!
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Reply #14 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 4:05am
 
Great words of wisdom Chuckles!

There is a lot of truthful heart-felt resonation with what you have written.

Thanks for sharing,
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