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DaBears Senior Member Offline Posts: 254	Question about reincarnation.. Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 5:42pm Those of you that believe in reincarnation I was just wondering if there is a way to avoid it.. Like say you go to a beautiful place in the spirit world and love it there.. What if you don't want to reincarnate and stay where your at??
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Reply #2 - Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 6:40pm

EternalEssence wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2007 at 6:26pm:

Da_Bear:

Reincarnation is confined to certain beliefs. Obviously, you will receive varying answers. I do not believe we lose our individuality when we cross-over, so to speak. The decisions made at that point will be made with all knowledge that you have obtained and what you decide to do with it.

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I see what you mean. I think God will give us a choice to do what we want.. So, I think we can choose to reincarnate or not.. That is my belief.. I hope that is true..

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Reply #3 - Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 8:44am

There is also the belief/knowledge that we as an ego are part of soul essences/groups. We experience all our lives at once really because there is no real 'time'. Although I am confused by this. Perhaps the 'you' the 'I' the ego who you are now could be in the spirit world forever more if it chose.

The evidence for re-incarnation is very strong. Children remembering past lives, birth marks, past life regressions. Having said that there is also a question of whether you are remembering your own past life or whether it was someone else who is another aspect of your soul group.

I only just recently encountered these ideas so sorry if I seem vague Undecided

Help me out here ya 'know-it-alls!' Wink

As far as choice in re-incarnation. Free Will and Free Choice is part of the true nature of reality the way I see it. Anything else may be only true from a certain perspective, from a particular judgement of reality but free choice and free will is constant.

If you fear the loss of your identity, just think that maybe you're part of much larger identity! That is GOD! or the source, the creator, the oneness, universal consciousness whatever you want to call it!

You may be happy with the 'I' that you are and don't want to let go of it, but what about one of those kids in war ravaged countries that gets killed in a bombing? (I have to be graphic to make a point). Perhaps they might want another try at life in this 'earth school' eh? The way I see it choice is everything. Nothing external forces you to re-incarnate but we all choose to so we can experience more and fast track our progression.

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Reply #4 - Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 3:23pm

Never say die wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 8:44am:

There is also the belief/knowledge that we as an ego are part of soul essences/groups. We experience all our lives at once really because there is no real 'time'. Although I am confused by this. Perhaps the 'you' the 'I' the ego who you are now could be in the spirit world forever more if it chose.

The evidence for re-incarnation is very strong. Children remembering past lives, birth marks, past life regressions. Having said that there is also a question of whether you are remembering your own past life or whether it was someone else who is another aspect of your soul group.

I only just recently encountered these ideas so sorry if I seem vague Undecided

Help me out here ya 'know-it-alls!' Wink

As far as choice in re-incarnation. Free Will and Free Choice is part of the true nature of reality the way I see it. Anything else may be only true from a certain perspective, from a particular judgement of reality but free choice and free will is constant.

If you fear the loss of your identity, just think that maybe you're part of much larger identity! That is GOD! or the source, the creator, the oneness, universal consciousness whatever you want to call it!

You may be happy with the 'I' that you are and don't want to let go of it, but what about one of those kids in war ravaged countries that gets killed in a bombing? (I have to be graphic to make a point). Perhaps they might want another try at life in this 'earth school' eh? The way I see it choice is everything. Nothing external forces you to re-incarnate but we all choose to so we can experience more and fast track our progression.

Yeah that sounds more legitimate! Thanks for explaining it better!

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Reply #5 - Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 3:59pm

Well, I sort of see myself as reincarnating at every moment.

Just kind of winking in and out of existence.

I mean, is there ever a moment in our lives when we are exactly the same?

Why would it be any different after this life?

I know that sounds silly. But that's how I see it.

I don't plan on coming back here unless I'm needed.

I'm checking myself right now....yes, I'm here....I guess I'm still needed.

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Reply #6 - Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 6:15pm

The word simultaneous time is the concept that you are looking for in terms of "all at once" You, in essence, experience all of your lives at once. You past life is occurring now, though it is past to you, it is present to them. The future exists as probabilities based on choices, but is happening now. It is future to you, but "now" to them. Each of your "selves" is individual. Together, all your individual "selves" compose your total self, the whole you. Time, a human concept, does not exist. To appreciate the concept, you must expand your awareness to see beyond the concept of time as it exists in human, third-dimensional terms.

Simultaneous time does not eliminate the concept of reincarnation. At best, it only modifies it. Based on the above statements, that information is accessible. You are a part of the whole, though you retain your individuality. You're total self is always present and always acessible (it is often called the higher self, but that's a different topic altogether).

Confusion occurs because we assign human labels to nonhuman concepts. It's not wrong, just distorts the truth. The "ego" is the source of this separation from the total self. It serves as a protective measure. Free will is always present, and your future is shaped on what you experience as a possible (probable) reality. Different choices, different possible realities.

You are correct that the choice to reincarnate is yours. Though initally veiled from you at birth, on agreement, the "past" (pardon the term) is accessible. Upon death, the veil is removed and the seperation you feel is eliminated.

That you are endeavoring to understand this form of consciousness, as it is, you display progression. That you have encountered this now has its own positive outcomes. Those will be for you to discover on your own. My telling you would eliminate your choices and free will. Wink

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Reply #7 - Feb 24^th, 2007 at 1:20am

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Well, I sort of see myself as reincarnating at every moment.

Just kind of winking in and out of existence.

I mean, is there ever a moment in our lives when we are exactly the same?

Why would it be any different after this life?

I know that sounds silly. But that's how I see it.

I don't plan on coming back here unless I'm needed.

I'm checking myself right now....yes, I'm here....I guess I'm still needed.

love, blink

Good points.

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Reply #8 - Feb 24^th, 2007 at 1:23am

EternalEssence wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2007 at 6:15pm:

The word simultaneous time is the concept that you are looking for in terms of "all at once" You, in essence, experience all of your lives at once. You past life is occurring now, though it is past to you, it is present to them. The future exists as probabilities based on choices, but is happening now. It is future to you, but "now" to them. Each of your "selves" is individual. Together, all your individual "selves" compose your total self, the whole you. Time, a human concept, does not exist. To appreciate the concept, you must expand your awareness to see beyond the concept of time as it exists in human, third-dimensional terms.

Simultaneous time does not eliminate the concept of reincarnation. At best, it only modifies it. Based on the above statements, that information is accessible. You are a part of the whole, though you retain your individuality. You're total self is always present and always acessible (it is often called the higher self, but that's a different topic altogether).

Confusion occurs because we assign human labels to nonhuman concepts. It's not wrong, just distorts the truth. The "ego" is the source of this separation from the total self. It serves as a protective measure. Free will is always present, and your future is shaped on what you experience as a possible (probable) reality. Different choices, different possible realities.

You are correct that the choice to reincarnate is yours. Though initally veiled from you at birth, on agreement, the "past" (pardon the term) is accessible. Upon death, the veil is removed and the seperation you feel is eliminated.

That you are endeavoring to understand this form of consciousness, as it is, you display progression. That you have encountered this now has its own positive outcomes. Those will be for you to discover on your own. My telling you would eliminate your choices and free will. Wink

E.

Interesting, that blew my mind..

The future trips me out..

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Reply #9 - Feb 24^th, 2007 at 2:59am

I'm a hypnotherapist specializing in past life regressions. I actually don't believe in "past" lives. I believe in parallel lives, but that is too difficult and time consuming to explain to clients, so I go with the common terminology.

From my experience and the experiences of my clients, I do think you can be trapped into reincarnation without wanting to be. It has to do with karma, and it doesn't matter if you believe in karma or not. What happens is that people can't let go of the idea that they are "good" enough to progress past incarnating. They jump from lifetime to lifetime trying to make up for the wrongs they've done. Many also cannot give up their attachment to the earth...loved ones, friends, the planet, even their own ego. This keeps them reincarnating. Another common false belief among many New Agers is that you have to evolve to enlightenment. This is probably the biggest one that keeps more aware people reincarnating.

When you physically die, you don't suddenly become omnipotent. You take much of your personality and beliefs with you. If you believe you must evolve to a certain level, be it avatar or whatever, you most probably will be stuck in that belief, which makes you come back.

Believe it or not, all of this is a choice. Even the things that don't look like a choice. You can choose to change your beliefs. That is the only thing that will stop your karmic wheel. Think about it. How "good" do you think you can become on earth? Do you actually know anyone who is "good" enough to graduate? It's impossible. It is impossible to become perfect in the human dimension.

Give up the idea of becoming good. The only thing required to stop incarnating is to accept that everything is perfect just as it is....including you. No judgement. Stop judging yourself, stop judging others. Pure acceptance and the willingness to let others be as they are. Even the so-called "evil" ones. Accept them. They are struggling through earthly life just like everyone else. I can almost guarantee that everyone here has murdered in at least one lifetime. The most heiness thing you can think of...you've done it. If you don't believe it, find a good regressionist. You will be shocked at the things you are capable of. Then, let it go. You are perfect, just as you are. No need to run around doing all the metaphysical stuff that so many people insist are necessary for evolvement. They are running in circles. The karmic wheel circle.

Give up your judgement of yourself and others. Decide that you want off the wheel. That's it.

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Reply #10 - Feb 24^th, 2007 at 3:13am

Just to supplement Tempest's idea:

One of my "previous" -- I do not like linear terminology, but I must use what I have -- incarnations was a cortisan (fancy for prostitute). Now, in the "now" I was once somewhat prudish. Imagine my awe when I realized that healing had a new twist. Now, anytime I take myself too seriously, I simply think of my days as a cortisan and find a lovely balance. I love that part of me as I love all parts of me, regardless of the decisions, the consequences or such. I find great joy in my experiences.

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Reply #11 - Feb 24^th, 2007 at 6:19pm

Tempestinateapot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2007 at 2:59am:

I'm a hypnotherapist specializing in past life regressions. I actually don't believe in "past" lives. I believe in parallel lives, but that is too difficult and time consuming to explain to clients, so I go with the common terminology.

From my experience and the experiences of my clients, I do think you can be trapped into reincarnation without wanting to be. It has to do with karma, and it doesn't matter if you believe in karma or not. What happens is that people can't let go of the idea that they are "good" enough to progress past incarnating. They jump from lifetime to lifetime trying to make up for the wrongs they've done. Many also cannot give up their attachment to the earth...loved ones, friends, the planet, even their own ego. This keeps them reincarnating. Another common false belief among many New Agers is that you have to evolve to enlightenment. This is probably the biggest one that keeps more aware people reincarnating.

When you physically die, you don't suddenly become omnipotent. You take much of your personality and beliefs with you. If you believe you must evolve to a certain level, be it avatar or whatever, you most probably will be stuck in that belief, which makes you come back.

Believe it or not, all of this is a choice. Even the things that don't look like a choice. You can choose to change your beliefs. That is the only thing that will stop your karmic wheel. Think about it. How "good" do you think you can become on earth? Do you actually know anyone who is "good" enough to graduate? It's impossible. It is impossible to become perfect in the human dimension.

Give up the idea of becoming good. The only thing required to stop incarnating is to accept that everything is perfect just as it is....including you. No judgement. Stop judging yourself, stop judging others. Pure acceptance and the willingness to let others be as they are. Even the so-called "evil" ones. Accept them. They are struggling through earthly life just like everyone else. I can almost guarantee that everyone here has murdered in at least one lifetime. The most heiness thing you can think of...you've done it. If you don't believe it, find a good regressionist. You will be shocked at the things you are capable of. Then, let it go. You are perfect, just as you are. No need to run around doing all the metaphysical stuff that so many people insist are necessary for evolvement. They are running in circles. The karmic wheel circle.

Give up your judgement of yourself and others. Decide that you want off the wheel. That's it.

Thank you for your words of wisdom!! I see what you mean and I will accept myself for who I am.. Lately I have also, been accepting people for who they are. Especially, the evil ones and the likes of Saddam Hussein...

I was curious on doing a past life regression... If, I did that would that help me relieve my fears of hell... I am right now doing a lot better than what I use to be about my fears of hell.. Would it show me where I have the trauma coming from and how to stop it?? I think it would work for me to show me how there is no judgement in the afterlife.. And how we are so loved..

What is your opinion???

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Reply #12 - Feb 24^th, 2007 at 8:23pm

Hey DaBears,
It's usually very helpful. It seems like irrational fears of hell are often related to a past life with really strong damnation type religious experiences that keep a person trapped with that belief, even in a new incarnation. Going back to the source or the actual experience of the original trauma has this really weird, kind of miraculous ability to instantly heal the fear.

If the irrational fear has come from this life, usually by indoctrination of the parents' or familys' beliefs, it might take several sessions to work out. Hypnotherapy is never a guarantee, but I've seen it help a lot of people, myself included.

You can actually do this yourself. Dr. Brian Weiss has regression instructions at the back of his latest book. Michael Newton has really good books about regressions, also. Sometimes, though, regressions can be really traumatic, and it helps to work with someone trained in dealing with that. The hypnotherapist can take you out of the traumatic past experience during trance and have you watch it as an impartial observer. If you are a pretty stable person, doing it yourself usually works out pretty well, though.

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Reply #13 - Feb 24^th, 2007 at 8:43pm

Tempestinateapot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2007 at 8:23pm:

Hey DaBears,
It's usually very helpful. It seems like irrational fears of hell are often related to a past life with really strong damnation type religious experiences that keep a person trapped with that belief, even in a new incarnation. Going back to the source or the actual experience of the original trauma has this really weird, kind of miraculous ability to instantly heal the fear.

If the irrational fear has come from this life, usually by indoctrination of the parents' or familys' beliefs, it might take several sessions to work out. Hypnotherapy is never a guarantee, but I've seen it help a lot of people, myself included.

You can actually do this yourself. Dr. Brian Weiss has regression instructions at the back of his latest book. Michael Newton has really good books about regressions, also. Sometimes, though, regressions can be really traumatic, and it helps to work with someone trained in dealing with that. The hypnotherapist can take you out of the traumatic past experience during trance and have you watch it as an impartial observer. If you are a pretty stable person, doing it yourself usually works out pretty well, though.

I'm sure it came from this life.. Because once I started to get into Catholicism during my late teen years.. I got into shock about hell.. Because the preachers preached about hell and fire all the time..

I will only do it with a hypnotherapist, because I don't think I would be stable enough to deal with it alone.. I was also, wondering will I get to meet my guides and would I be able to meet my deceased family members in the past life regression??

Thanks, for letting me know about this stuff!! And letting me know that I can get help to overcome this fear.. That gives me more faith!!I am doing somewhat fine though on my own.. But I still feel alittle tense about it...
Thanks and peace

How much does it cost by the way??

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Reply #14 - Feb 24^th, 2007 at 9:29pm

If you want to meet guides and family members while in trance, you'd almost probably need to work with a therapist who is spiritual and believes this stuff. Otherwise, they will bring the session around to why you have these silly needs. Roll Eyes

Finding a hypnotherapist who can help you with those specific questions might be difficult, as they are few and far between. A couple of things come to mind...you can go to Brian Weiss' website, and he has a list of therapists all over the U.S., and I believe abroad, that have taken his intensive workshop. Also, a look through your local Yellow Pages (if in U.S.) under "Psychologists" or "Therapists" might yield some psychotherapists who are trained in hypnotherapy. Ask them if they are a "Transpersonal" Psychologist, because they are trained in spiritual matters.

The costs differ from therapist to therapist and are usually based on the amount of formal training they've had and what other local therapists are charging. I live in California, so it's pretty expensive (everything is here). Usually $85 to $200 for one hour long session, again, depending on their training.

You can meet guides and family members on your own, though. There are a ton of metaphysical books out there that tell you how. Since you are a surviving Catholic,

I think Doreen Virtue's books would be good. She's the famous angel clairvoyant. So much of this is just a matter of learning how to do it yourself by educating yourself. Learning to meditate, if you don't already know how, is always the first step. I don't mean the "no mind" Zen kind of meditation. I mean the watching, exploring, imagination kind of meditation. Pretty much what Bruce Moen does.

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