I don't know all of the specifics, but I basically agree with the below (what augo wrote).

For a while I didn't accept the importance of Jesus Christ, partly because I was unhappy about certain fundamentalist ideas, and partly because I had been helped by spiritual guidance quite a bit, and I felt it would be disrespectful and show a lack of grattitude to not acknowledge my higher self (in a disc sense), by thinking of Christ.

But then I started to receive the message either in written form or in thought form "accept Christ." This troubled me for the aforementioned reasons. I told God that if Jesus Christ is significant part of your divine plan then I'm all for him, but I can't accept this without knowing, simply because a book such as the Bible says so.

I started to have experiences and receive messages which told me that Jesus Christ is a significant part of God's divine plan (not in a fundamentalist manner).  I reviewed my life and found that even before I received the "accept Christ" messages, I had had some very significant experiences which told me that Christ is a significant part of the divine plan.  My lack of openness had prevented me from seeing this.

I reconsidered how I viewed things and found that it is a mistake to underestimate how much Jesus has helped people. I know a number of Christian people. I don't agree with all their ideas, but they're good people. Part of the reason they are good people is because of their faith.  If they didn't have their faith, they might've lived their lives in a different way, and end up in a hell like realm some day.

Some people might say that it is possible for a person to be a good loving person without being a Christian, and I agree, but this doesn't mean that some people didn't need to have Christianity as a part of their lives. For many people it has made a difference. It is a mistake judge the overall effect by some of the unsettling ideas that some Christians have. I also believe it is a mistake to believe that most Christians will end up in a belief system. Perhaps some extremists, but my feeling is that many of them will cross over quite fine.

My guess is that the divine powers that be had an idea of how Christianity would evolve. They know about human nature. Nevertheless, they went ahead and had Jesus come to this planet as a messenger. Probably because they realized what the overall effect would be. They realized that many souls, because of their faith, wouldn't end up in lower realms that otherwise would've ended up in lower realms. A person's faith will open he or she to the presence of God and Christ to the degree he or she allows.  

I'm not a person who relies on books. I've been mislead by them too many times. But I'd be a fool to not trust my experiences and the messages I have received, considering how they have come to me.  I'd also be a fool to not trust the changes that have taken place in my life. I've found that Christ and his friends can provide you with spiritual help if you are sincere about receiving it.  

Last night I received a message stating that living according to the will of Christ is the same thing as living according to your own will, once you find out who you are on the soul level. We all come from the same divine source. We just get lost for a while.

augoeideian wrote on Mar 1^st, 2007 at 4:08am:

I don't think it's a Christian forum...I'm as pagan as it gets, and I'm still here.  I think some Christians bring up their religion more than some others, maybe because it's one with a rule book and so easier to talk about.  Doesn't effect me one way or the other, I'm just along for the ride.

Tempest,

Enough with the threats of leaving.  Stay and express your opinions.  You have not been subjected to scorn or rage.  This board has a mixture of souls, much as the real world/life does.  I can direct you to another forum which is a true PUL-fest, but there are some interesting topics found here, that you simply won't come across over there.

I am not religious, though I love God and am trying to love all others, seeing them as me, seeing through their eyes, instead of seeing it as us vs. them.  One concept I like is the "judge not, less ye be judged," from the bible.  It stands to reason that if we play the dichotomy game (us vs. them, good vs. evil, etc.) and judge others harshly we adopt belief systems that we are also subject to.  You should certainy appreciate this, given your last few posts.

You are not in a Christian forum; PM Don if you have ANY doubt about that, as he has felt himself to be the victim of Christian bashing here at times - this was only true when stray Newbies would post vulgar messages and leave.

We are all big boys and girls here (I hope).  .  A little verbal spat on the board or a disagreement is no reason to go off in a huff.  I woud say that staying, and sharing your opinions without regard for any bumps in the road would be a great way to share your points of view. 

I don't hold anyone on this forum up to a PUL - meter.  Ugghhhh....who can prove he/she scores well on that all the time? 

There is a peer-moderator system here where you can send any text to a moderator to object to any particulary offensive post.  It works. 

For me, I would say, don't be too hasty to take a negative spin on this forum - Don chiming in out of his self-imposed exile, and a few other stray comments aside.  Put away your PUL meter, pull up a seat, and let's have some fun.

Matthew

Tempestinateapot:

I didn't write about what I learned through reading a book. Here are some examples.

Years ago when I was an atheist, I found myself in heaven one night. It was a wonderful place. The level of happiness was beyond what you can find in this World.  I was so relieved to find that the afterlife existed.  I also understood that it was true about God and Jesus. In a wonderful way, not a fundamentalist way. Not only did I understand that these things are true, I completely understood how they were possible without having to think about it.

When the experience ended I was really dissapointed. Unfortunately the stubborn parts of my mind resisted what my experience had just told me.  It wasn't until years later that I understood that what I had experienced was way beyond what my mind could create based on past experience.  Especially the part where I understood how God, Jesus and the afterlife are true without having to think about it, and the degree and type of happiness I felt.

On another occasion I did a retrievel while meditating.  Me and the man I was retrieving were standing by a cliff edge by the ocean, while I tried to get him to cross over. Suddenly he forgot all about me, because accross a bay Jesus appeared.  Gold light emanated from him an filled the bay. The man I was trying to retrieve floated to where Jesus was in a timeless manner. Why did such an experience happen? It wasn't something I planned. Perhaps somebody was trying to tell me something.

I have awakened kundalini. One evening while going through the kundalini unfoldment process I was shown a lifesize image of a heavy metal rocker dude.  I could see kundalini flowing through him. He said that he uses his kundalini for evil. Next I was shown a demonic lifesize image of myself. Next I was shown the face of Jesus Christ. The message was clear. If I'm going to go through the kundalini unfoldment process, make certain that I do so according to Christ consciousness.

I see spirits in various ways, but one way is in the form of flashing stars. One night I woke up in the middle of the night from a dream. I turned on my night lamp and grabbed a pen and my dream journal in order to take some notes. But then I saw a star flash that was much bigger than any star I've seen before. It also radiated much more energy than any star had radiated before. The presence I experienced felt more real than the physical World.  It felt divine. I didn't see or hear him, but the understanding came to me that this was the presence of Jesus. I forgot about my dream notes, turned off my night lamp, put away my note pad and pen, and laid down on my side. Because of my awakened kundalini I've experienced lots of energy, but during this experience I was overcome with more energy than I had experienced before. I was worked on with light energy for about 15 minutes. My heart chakra expanded until it surrounded my entire upper body. The path way from my throat chakra to my crown chakra were worked on. Ever since, the energy flow along this pathway has been more alive and more clear than ever before.  A block in my heart chakra also cleared after I let go of limiting/confused ideas regarding Jesus.

I also experienced divine love during this experience. I felt a tremendous amount of love, humility and gratitude towards Jesus, and it had nothing to do with being subservient.  I also had the feeling that he can be in as many places as he wants. If a person truly wants help, and he or she is willing to be a little more humble about his or her viewpoints, he or she can get help.

I've received numerous other confirmations about Jesus Christ that didn't come in the form of a book.

I can understand that fundamentalism turned you off. The same thing happened to me. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water.






Tempestinateapot wrote on Mar 1^st, 2007 at 6:50pm:

Tempestinapot you are a sour puss aren't you?  Good luck with the demons - have fun sounds like you enjoy them.

A few questions to everyone here:

Why is anyone begging Tempest to stay?

Why is anyone mad or sad or indifferent or on any side of anything at all?  

This is not a criticism because I understand the sentiments -- I reacted to her also, but I have released her.  She is water and she is steam.

Tempest is in a teapot.  

The water in a teapot heats to a full boil.... and then the steam starts coming out of the spout.

Can you hear the sound it makes?  

I am hearing it now as a whistling sound.  Almost a little musical.

Eventually the water will boil away if it's left on the stove. And that's okay.

Maybe a few of us will have a little tea while we're at it.

This forum is her teapot...for the moment.

Our thoughts and our words are the stove turning the flame up and down.  

Simmer, simmer, boil, boil.... We are in control of the flame as we learn how to use it.

love love love unashamedly to all of you no matter whether you like it or not
blink

Good question, Bets!  A personal loss is so often the original source of much misunderstanding and grief in a person's life.

b

Doc M,

I don't doubt the over-all tone of the thread. I just let the teapot get me steamed.

Bets