The thing about drug rehabilitation is that there are different ways to do it, and it doesn't always last for very long. There is often "shaming" involved in the process, and even after "recovery".

I believe that some of us, for whatever reasons, have great difficulty in valuing ourselves, truly valuing ourselves enough to take the exquisite care of our bodies that we need in order to function well. Our minds and bodies are connected so it is such a complex issue.

And then, there can be full "recovery" which lasts a week or ten years (as in my own example), but not forever. Life is long, sometimes tedious and difficult, and true love and support difficult to recognize.

But the internal work can be done in many ways. I am finding great success on my path right now, which includes an antidepressant that, thankfully, has minimal side effects for me. The drugs my doctor has prescribed to wean me off of my "crutches" are a temporary measure for me.  I should not need them forever as my health improves, and as my heart and mind clear.  I was not on "hard drugs" but believe me, a combination of too many "soft ones" is just as harmful.

I have many meditation tapes which I am using for reinforcement, to help me to stay on track with my commitment to myself.  I also have family support.  My boyfriend is mulling things over, but I know he will come on board eventually. Meanwhile, I find myself living life, fulfilling my responsibilities, and feeling happier.

I know that some people have much harsher lives and problems than I do. But "rehab" is not for everyone. Finding peace and self-understanding, and discovering self-care that works is a process which cannot be described in terms of "facing up" because it is not about disciipline. It is about finding freedom from what separates you from a better self-understanding and true self-love.

I do not speak from pride when I say these things but from deep humility. Treasure these moments, each of you, for they may be your last, this time around.

much love, blink

Sorry, Betson, you are a very kind person, but I see a very different take on what's happening here.  Two facts....I don't know who "Ralph Buskey" is, but it's absolutely not DK.  She is female.  Second fact, she is not using illegal drugs and does not need rehab.  What I see happening here (for what it's worth), is that several people who claim to profess unconditional love are doing anything but that.  You (the universal "you", you can decide if what I'm saying fits you or ignore it) didn't listen to what DK was asking.  You made assumptions based not only on your own belief system, but assumptions that had nothing to do with her problems.  And, while it may seem like it, I'm not sitting in judgment regarding anyone else's actions.  I'm calling it like I see it, because I recognize it.  I've done the same ego thing many times, and will probably continue to do so as I slowly and painfully break down the ego that drives us to not listen to others, and be gleeful in showing them how wrong they are and how right we are.  And, yes, I'm doing it now.  The difference is that I recognize I'm doing it and many of you don't see it in yourselves.  You think that by adding PUL at the end of your post you can judge other people and that makes it ok.  Nice words and PUL just don't mask a judgement when that is what it actually is.  Although I disagree with what some said, I actually respect them more when they just say what they think and don't then try to rise above others by pretending to love when they are just talking to hear and verify their own belief system.

Dark Knight has read all of this.  She won't be posting or coming back here again because of the responses.   I know some of you say good riddance and some are genuinely sorry.  It is what it is.  Perhaps good will come of it by helping some to break out of their self-imposed boxes and open up to other possibilities.  Regardless, if someone wants to get me banned because I'm disrupting the love vibe here, I'm ok with that.

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Wow!  That was a judgement if there ever was one.  Yes, it does happen to some who have used drugs and alcohol.  But, it also happens to people who appear to be completely innocent.  And, it's not just a hallucination because of the drugs.  What they seem to do is open a person to the astral without any defense mechanisms, without any control.  So, they land in a lower plane and are attacked without protection. 

So, I'm guessing that the general belief of those I've seen so far on this forum believe that people deserve to be attacked?  If that were true, everyone should be attacked.  Because, there isn't a person here, or anywhere for that matter that is innocent and pure.  False assumptions based on false belief systems.

You know what, Tempest.....you really do seem to be a tempest in a teapot! 

Attack mode if I've ever seen one.....

Good luck to you but I'm out of here.

Your vibes are giving me a headache I simply choose not to have. 

I don't feel any kindness from you, Tempest, and I'm very surprised you give anyone therapy.

Do you really know so much about everyone and everything?

Wow, how amazing you are.

Good luck to you...

bye now, and yes, wishing you love anyway, blink 

Tempest, I'm quite familiar with people who are operating from the mind and not the heart. It is easy to feel it.

It is easy to see when they are deliberately picking people apart and attacking a forum on which they have not spent significant time and in which they are making assumptions which are completely incorrect about the people who spend much time and energy helping each other and themselves.

I consider your endless tirades here abusive. Period. That is why I was this blunt with you, which is really pretty atypical for me.

done now....b

Hi all, and mainly to Patty and Dark Knight,

from all what I have experienced and read, the "pull" of the higher self, or the source, you know that which is greater than us in the physical but of which we are a part, is quite strong. Strong enough to overcome many terrible experiences. However, if you believe there is truth in the reports of retrievals, and RAMs and Bruce's writings, there can be causes that hinder being pulled back home. But my turn is, simply the awareness of this is diminishing greatly the probability that one gets stuck (wherever). This awareness will keep the consciousness of the own wishes, desires and needs awake rather than finding oneself in a kind of hell and accepting this. So, 1. the awareness that everyone has the right and the possibility to go to his/her true home and of the causes that might hinder this, 2. the existence and presence of own wishes, needs and desires, and 3. the trust
and the feeling of self-worthyness, to deserve to go to join with your cosmic family is, in my opinion, a very good set to almost guarantee a good afterlife.

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After this, well, statement, something different. I had this alien issue on my mind and went with it in meditation thrice. I had what seemed to be a mix of my questions and considerations, answers from my helpers and what RAM maybe would call "unsorted rotes":
  >>>I see this line, a bundle of lines, going down to earth, a person, the bundle is fraying out at the end, too much, no good. The other side of the line...there should be...wait, I remember; sometimes it looks like soap bubbles, but there are other big things looking like discs with something on it like buildings; like a space ship. Am I confusing two levels? Or is it the same level but they, "big I s" or how to call them, appear actually that differently?
   These aliens...they have no bodies, but...they want some? It's not that direct...it's more there are these apparations, they are not "true" entities, what is it...there are people in the BSTs, people in the physical, and there are these foreign influences through the gates of Focus 21; ah, actually there are alien influences, but not that "real"; from this three sources, aligned, working together, there are forms created; the aliens; they are semi-souled, as they are connected to those three sources/their members, or, maybe they have even split of aspects from their creators; it looks like this forms have tubes extending from them to their sources. What would they do to control physical bodies? They seem to have to somehow smuggle aspects into a personality; find gaps, or a similar structure where these aspects could be melted into. What can be done...oh, this is easy, at least from here; I can...blast them off, how works it...a energy similar used for retrievals, a sort of "awakener". Oh I don't have to do it this way; their connection can be cut and they vanish; this could also be meaning not...accept them, or their reality, or the, how to say, to reject the influences, the structurizing ideas-energy from these sources, the BSTs, the foreign energies from F21 and the everywhere floating certain physical human informations.   Dark Knight told of the two groups...this can be used; in fact it is very easy for the unaffected aliens to detect the infected ones, when they only watch what is happening around the earth; every human who is insulted by them can, additionally, send them a message, a rote and IDing who insulted them so the intruders could be arrested by the good aliens; these exist as well through the three sources, but there is another source here, special helpers from...I am around F21 it seems, helpers from far away from here like it seems; maybe F27 or beyond, they somehow blend in into these good alien forms.
   Again, the three sources where the aliens emerge from. Oh they are sensitive to open people, to people who in some way...are willing to hear, or accept or consider...them, or what they want to get through to them. I am told I too would be able to perceive them under some conditions, if I want; no, I'm not really inclined, or only after a helper of mine would appear, then maybe; I sense it is the second time now they build this half circle around/behind me, they're there; I suddenly sense, there is something really posionous about this matter...I feel I lose more and more control, fears are arising, I must do something; thinking of PUL and send it out; imagining me to be like air; then...of Buddha...the Buddha realm, or at least what I call this, a wooden flute and it's tones; bamboo and a little brook; what an incredible relief. The power of simplicity; clarity. This is a true grounding...but though, no physical ground; I am centered but open.<<<


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Patty,

I can't resist the temptation to come out of my self-imposed exile from this site for this one post.   I love your creative handle.  In my view, you are just about the only poster who is displaying authentic humanity and true humility in your response to DK's desperate need and the formulaic New Age dogmas that have been offered as a substitute for truly practical caring and good listening skills.  These inept detours from the vital issues are a classic illustration of what happens when a New Age ghetto mentality prompts posters to indignantly refuse to explore the evidence for the other side of key spiritual issues (e g. psychiatrist Scott Peck's 2 books on evil and Malachi Martin's stunning case histories in "Hostage to the Devil").  

I have taken the trouble to contact DK by E-mail and am most impressed with her intellect, her sincerity, her grasp of the true nature of her plight, and the steps she has taken to address her problem.   She doesn't need metaphysical speculation or New Age psychobabble; she needs friendship combined with persistent prayer support until she is released from her oppressive burden.   I intend to stay in touch with her and offer her that persistent prayer support throughout her ordeal.   No, Caryn, SHE is NOT Ralph Buskey in disguise.

Don

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Right on!  Brilliant observation.  I'm pretty sure Dk is ok with this.  She has a strong sense of her worthiness, and as I mentioned before, she's been the clinical/psychiatrist/drug route, and it didn't help.  From what I've been able to learn, drugs can sometimes help to calm the voices and antagonists (whatever they may be) to help a person get back on their feet.  But, for others, all it does is close them down, make family, friends, and doctors believe that everything is better, when all it really does is relieve them from having to listen to the fear and hysteria of a patient.  All the while, the patient is still being tortured to a large degree, and they aren't able to fight off or protect themselves because the drug will often flatten their affect and their mind.  This is what many who have these experiences have told me, and most of them are quite rational about it.  Saner than the sane.  So, I tend to believe them when they've shown consistent clear thinking and carry on an intelligent conversation.  I've had too many weird things happen to me to automatically dismiss something that sounds far-fetched without trying to learn more about it.

That was a really interesting meditation.  I'm guessing from the way you wrote it that you either had a voice recorder or were free flowing before you forgot the details?  So, would you mind summarizing what you learned?

Don, I can't even begin to express in words how grateful I am for your kindness to Dark Knight.  I have come to know the same person that you described.  On the forum that I'm regularly on, she's been there a long time, and spends so much of her time trying to help others.  It seems to me that she has exhausted the resources there in finding answers to help herself.  I think that's why she asked in a new forum.  She kind of already knows everything that "might" help, but was so damaged from what she's endured that it's taking her a long time to come as far as she has.  I think she has found a new friend in you, which will always give someone hope.  

By the way, I'm curious as to why you exiled yourself from here.