I am in agreement with you E. I was frustrated in viewing this thread for that very reason. It quickly took off in a complicated direction which I was doubtful would be helpful. But it is hard to say what is truly helpful and what is not. A person may reject a message one day and later think that perhaps he or she should have given more weight to it.

This site is an open one. Each person is free to express opinions and to clarify those opinions with each other. There are no rules governing this except for striving for respect for each other.

It does require patience to find answers for ourselves, and it does require patience and time to sort through different opinions and find the answers which rest comfortably in our hearts.

I hope Knight knows that we care. We care deeply, or we would not respond. I respect you for your concern and your point is a good one.

This forum is not for the faint-hearted. It can be rough and tumbly at times. But I think Knight will be back. If not now, then later.

Thanks for your thoughts, E.

love, blink

Dark Knight is obviously living with much fear with his given situation.  All I am saying is, why would you want to add a further element into the equation which would produce fear in DKs life.  If you want to believe God is angry and vengeful then more power to you.  You can believe God tears off peoples heads and drinks the blood for breakfast if that is what makes you content.  But it is not moral to tell someone who is having a hard enough time already that God is a wrathful destroyer of will. 

I have read a lot of the bible.  However, I have read it with an unbiased perspective, and am therefore able to see both sides of the equation.  Yeah, its great.  Its also disgusting.  I don't follow any god.  I don't have to worship a larger than life idol to find peace, love, and spirituality in my life.  I also don't have my own version of Christianity or any other religion.  I choose not to follow the masses and like to think for myself.  My view of god is love and oneness, and I truely believe it will one day soon become the norm.  The shift is happening, as was disscussed in the past thread, and this truth is simply part of it.  This restored truth will help people to live with love, rather than in constant fear mode, afraid they will be burned at the stake for their next wrong move.  Its really ashame that people feel this way, but one day soon they will feel this way no more.

Hi Patty, Dark Knight, and all,
so maybe the best thing would be that all those of this board who are exploring and involved with healing put some effort to help Dark Knight in their own ways. I personally had no bad experiences with aliens, though I saw in my mind some strange creatures around the earth. It would be very good if finally there would develop more clarity about what is going on regarding the influence of aliens.

I have heard a story of an abductee who passed over, and was contacted then. He told that now, in the afterlife, he has gained much knowledge about what actually had happend and why, as well that this was planned before that last incarnation, and that he was doing fine in the afterlife. As I said, I have heard this, it's not my personal experience. But my belief is, over there we'll have not a simple continuation of our life here with all the horror (if we don't want it).

So I hope that some of us could go and see if there is a way to stop this ongoing terror.

Spooky

Personally, I saw myself as simply pointing out to Knight what was being already being done by Knight in a positive manner. I did not intend to even participate in anyone else's answer.  This was simply my short but sweet advice.  According to my understanding.

Others were also pointing out their own versions of truth.

None of this fingerpointing is helping anyone, in my personal opinion.

Who, exactly, is being helped by it? I think everyone here might just relax a bit and remember that spirituality is not a contest, nor is there always a right answer, nor is Knight a little babe in arms.

If I remember correctly, Knight's first reply to Recoverer was fairly sharp. Knight was ready to walk away from the table already.

Anyone who wants answers to their questions needs a little patience.  There are a lot of people here who are still establishing their own ideas, which are changing....BECAUSE WE ARE ALL LEARNING.

Give each other a break, people.

Please.

love, blink

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Actually, it can happen.  Once again, just because you have either not witnessed it or experienced it for yourself, or your personal belief system does not allow that it would happen, that does not make your belief the absolute truth.  Beliefs can actually get in the way of finding the truth.  They keep you stuck.  Adopting a more fluid system is helpful that allows changes in your knowledge as new information comes to light, makes more sense, or you have personal experience with something.

It's nice to think that God is all lovey dovey and wouldn't let certain things happen, but the reality is that things do happen.  Things that are horrific.  Everything and anything is possible.  It may not be common, you may not believe it, but it is possible.  I'm not trying to destroy anyone's belief system, I'm hoping that you will think for yourself and not blindly follow what the latest popular guru or preacher has said. 

DK, you know it is much easier to create in the astral than it is in the physical.  Things happen much faster in the astral.  When you physically die, you are drawn to the vibration or area that most closely resembles your own vibration.  If you are living in fear, it is possible for you to be trapped in your fears and pulled to that vibration.  I know of two ways that are very helpful in overcoming fears.  One is to learn as much as you can about the afterlife.  Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen have written extensively about it, along with Rosalind McKnight. 

Another thing that can help is using affirmations.  Studies have been done on the brain that show that you can create new neural pathways by using affirmations, even if you don't totally believe the affirmations.  That's one reason prayers sometimes work to conquer fear.  If you are praying for something over and over, it can change the brain pathways to adopt the new thought.

At phsyical death, there are also guides standing ready to help you when you cross.  If you are in a fearful state, they may not be able to get your attention for awhile.  But, eventually, they will, and can escort you to places of healing.  So, yes, it will end.  Most definitely.   

Greetings,

On Dark Knight's personal page here she has an e-mail address through MSN  or something like that. I tried to email her to invite her back but my attempts disappeared. If someone has compatibility with Microsoft....whatever, she could be invited back to see that we are attempting to help.

Bets

Hi DK-
Obviously, you've created a great deal of interest on the forum, even though most of us are uncertain about just how to go about offering either solace or directly helpful ideas. I'm not going to be much use either, I suspect, but maybe I can add a little background that could suggest ways of attacking your situation. I'll try to organize my thoughts to specific topics.

The lack of "thinking" or "flow of thoughts" is characteristic of a person who has developed a high degree of meditative skill, in which they have learned to "turn off" the thinking mind. For most people, this is actually a normal state that is deliberately expanded in order to get the thinking process to quiet down, and as such it is a high level of yogic development. It seems that for you, this is a state that has spontaneously developed. That does not mean that it is either bad, nor good, but rather that you are going to have to learn to use your mind in a manner different from many of the rest of us. This can be examined more ...

From the mechanical perspective: If this were purely physiological or psychological it would be interpreted as either "schizoaffective" (meaning that it involves fragmented emotional impulses that act like noisy stumulii to cause random discomfort and anxiety, or as "autistic", meaning that it is an interruption of the normaly active channels of emotional interchange and emotional awareness of others. As a clinician, my suggestion is to notice that these labels are trying to carry an explanation of the feelings and experiences you have, and on that basis, they attempt to classify those experiences in a way that might suggest a useful treatment. Clinical experience generally suggests that people who are generally functional enough to communicate and handle their lives can be treated by some extremely simple techniques, such as dietary changes that eliminate everything to which there is an allergic, or micro-allergic response. "The Pulse Test" by Arthur Coca MD is an excellent resource in this regard. The purpose is to remove unnecessary stressors. That tends to make life more comfortable. At the same time, vitamins and minerals, including trace elements, usually help strengthen one's ability to ignore minor irritations, again making things a bit more comfortable. At the extreme end of this approach there are "antipsychotic drugs" which operate by numbing you, but they don't do much for what you experience, and I  don't recommend them - at least not until that's the only remaining option.

The psycho-spiritual view: You seem to have internalized conflictive influences of some type. At this level, it makes little difference from whence they have come. They remain because perhaps you have opened yourself to them, or perhaps you were attacked and worn down by them. In either case the result is that these forces stick to your personal definitions of the situation in which you exist, and your definition of self, usually referenced back to the situation. When our ability to think includes a bunch of external impulses, it gets fuzzy and feels like it's out of control. At the same time, in the case that these intrusions carry the ability to refer to themselves constructively, they can propagate, rather like a computer virus, until their presence becomes self limiting. The sensation is of being "un-grounded" in the sense of not having a stable reference point against which to compare this kind of internal activity. That makes it difficult to separate the dream and reality (my interpretation of the "it's a cat" conflict).

This situation reminds me of the problem that many hippies used to get when they would overdose on a strong psychedelic. They would break free from their everyday ideas, which was their initial purpose, but then they would lack knowledge of how to reset their internal systems so as to recover groundedness. My guess (and admittedly it is a guess) is that this is at least a substantial part of your problem.

To recover groundedness should allow you to filter out the irrational from the rational in the sense of what parts of your internal experiences relate well to the everyday world, and what parts seem to be floating by, but without a direct material basis to anchor them. This leads to eventual rejection of the unsupported stuff and a recovery of a sense of solidity. (Again, this is based on my interpretation, and I might be missing the point. If so, I apologize.)

My usual suggestion to recover groundedness is to seek identification with the initial instant of creation, so that you can recognize that your existence emerged from voidness through the action of an infinite creative potentiality. That gives you a refuge - "I am No-Thing and No-Body" is the essential idea. Not being a "thing" you are ruled by matter. Not being a "body" you are free of bodily impositions. As emptiness your nature is the same potential creativity as that from which the rest of the universe emerged. This is a state logically prior to the forces that torment you. It cannot be reached by thought, which is what blocks most of us from going there to look, but your mind is already blanked out (assuming that I interpreted your post correctly), so it should be possible for you to settle into a posture of oneness with the initial voidness, and thus with the initial creative event. That brings you into accord with the Creator.

Once things can be paused while you literally are re-creating yourself, you will be able to notice what the various hooks and cues are that bring back the bothersome experiences. They will be of three general sorts, (a) a tendency to sense activities negatively, so that actions are resented, destructive or unpleasant; (b) a tendency toward non-logical associations that lead to states of delusion or confusion; (c) a sense of rejection, danger, hatred and rage by which the world seems to be alienated. As you sense each connection arising, it can be avoided by simply refusing to go there next time. Instead, (a) act joyfully because you are re-creating your own self; (b) be clear and logical, accepting nothing that is uncertain, or which does not arise from cause and effect linkages based on your own causal activities; (c) recognize that even the most deadly and hostile forces are also manifestations of the Creator, and thus are ultimately in total accord, so your position can eventually be reduced to one of misunderstod love.

This is not a "cure" - sorry. It is a strategy that is usually effective for druggies who complain of somewhat similar problems, and who still have a high degree of self control. Also, it is not an overnight solution, but a growth process.

I hope this is helps-
PUL
dave