Heya great words Blink and an in depth post Justin. um.. going a bit off topic but it is interesting you write about Virgo and Pisces;  since I posted Raphael’s painting I have been contemplating the symbolism the great arcane artist Raphael wanted us to see. 

Virgo represents the Womb, the custodian of the hidden spiritual life.
Pisces represents the Soul in the human form or personality.

Symbolised by the manifestation into earth of the Virgin Mary and her Son Christ.
For we know, to follow the Divine script one looks at the Divine manifestation into form.

We can see how both Virgo and Pisces show us sacredness things hidden.
Virgo being the vessel for the Spirit and Pisces the Soul in the vessel of Spirit.

The macrocosm / universe representation;
Virgo represents the Earth and Pisces represents the Sun. This might symbolise the Sun traveling through Virgo the birth canal. The spirit of the sun is in the earth in a period of gestation and travails with birth pains before the actual birth is given.

The microcosm/individual  representation;
Virgo represents our bodies and Pisces represents our Soul. Our souls are enclosed within our body and goes through a period of maturing and growth before being strong enough to be released into the spirit of awakened consciousness.

The balance is the nurturing of the soul within the womb.

mussings.

 Hi to you as well Caryn.   You have a very poetic way with words.

 I must say that i very much disagree with anyone using the name of Christ to degrade another person's beliefs.  

  Yeah, its ok to disagree, but to call names, judge, and degrade i don't think is ever constructive and is especially destructive when doing it in the name of Christ.  

 Sure Yeshua occasionally spoke out and even at times strongly against certain groups and certain actions, beliefs, etc. but he never did it out of negativity and judgement towards them, he was always tolerant and forgiving even when pointing out anothers illusion and destructiveness.

 All the best

  Hi there Mairlyn,

I actually had written a reply to you on the book section and said hi, but i never heard back from you.   

  btw, i wasn't at all "hiding" who i was, when i came back, quite early on i mentioned in a public post that i was Justin who was here before. 

  Lately, i just don't feel like signing my name.  It gets pretty redundant writing and seeing ones name all the time. 

  Love to you as well

Ahso:

But in what manner did Rosalind Mcknight's guides have possession in mind?

They said that if a person goes out of body, they should surround themselves with protective energy and ask for protection. This is quite a different thing than a spirit taking over a person that isn't out of body. They also state that people who exist at a higher vibrational rate don't have to worry about protection.

Considering that supposedly many of us go out of body while asleep without knowing it, I wonder how much the above actually applies.

When they speak of it elsewhere they could be speaking in terms of spirit attacment, rather than possession like people often think of possession. I state this because they speak in terms of energy body attachment rather than a spirit taking over a person's will. Attaching to a person energetically is quite a different thing than taking over a person's will. An attached spirit might try to influence a person, but this is a different thing than overtaking a person's will.

If a negative minded spirit attached itself to you and tried to get you to do negative things, do you believe it could force you to do so, or would you be able to resist? After a while, when it saw that it couldn't influence you, it would probably take off. Chances are that even if such a spirit somehow came into your presence, early on it would find that it couldn't make an attachment to you.

My guess is that Rose's guides were speaking of earthbound spirits when they spoke of spirits that attach. It is also possible they are speaking of negative thought energy that accumulates and forms an entity. They repeatedly state that negative spirits are lower vibrational rate entities. My feeling is that such spirits would be overwhelmed by light energy.

There is one other thing that I would like to bring up. In past posts you stated that Bruce Moen's story of Consciousness states that in the beginning Consciousness made the mistake of sending out probes without providing them with a means of returning to Consciousness. Some of these probes might've become evil. The universe we live in wasn't created by Consciousness directly, but by the planning intelligence (again, according to Bruce).  The planning intelligence was a disc before it became the planning intelligence. Therefore, when it comes to this universe and the other universes the planning intelligence created, I doubt that it made the same mistakes that Consciousness reportedly made and created probes without a means for them to return to it. Its way of doing things were probably more organized.

Could the lost probes Bruce speaks of find their way into this universe? Perhaps? But chances are they hang out in the universe they originated in.

I agree with the surrendering to the power of Christ part, as oppossed to popping an attitude and thinking that you'll take something on ego against ego.

I read what Robert Bruce had to say about lower realm beings in his Astral Dynamics this past weekend, and I must state that I didn't feel intimidated by what he shared. But the power doesn't come from me. It comes from God and Christ. Without them I'd just be a confused jumble of thoughts.

Berserk wrote on Mar 8^th, 2007 at 6:41pm:

recoverer wrote on Mar 8^th, 2007 at 6:11pm:


 Yeah, you're totally right, her guides were speaking in the context of going out of body.

  If one studies and understands holistic health, then one might come to the conclusions that i have through studies into same.   There are many ways, even through diet, lack of right exercise, becoming over acid, severe spinal misalignments and pinched nerves etc. that one can weaken their etheric energy shields or other energy systems connected to the body forces, which can cause problems.  Most often these if consistent and extreme, lead to dis-ease or even disease, but with a innately psychically sensitive person, it can lead to being influenced by other consciousnesses.  


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 So, Rosie's guides were just blowing smoke up our arses?  Somehow i doubt that.   Consider this then, perhaps unlike with a person trying to consciously go out of body, or doing so while conscious...perhaps when we fall asleep we more automatically slip into higher gears within the nonphysical than in those situations?

 Perhaps we rarely "leave" via the etheric body, like some do while exploring consciously.   My sense is that most when falling asleep and dreaming, most leave behind their etheric shields and so it's not a problem or issue.

 Notice that classic OBE's via the etheric tend to feel extremely, extremely "real" and physical in nature, and many times dreams while even quite vivid at times, have a more surreal and subtle sense to them?    This is because we are moving via our emotional bodies and "higher", or more aptly faster vibrationally.   The energies get less and less physical in nature as the vibration speeds up, thus seeming less and less overtly "real" to a conscious mind which is usually so focused on C1.

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True enough, but what is the difference.  I've always understood "possession" to be more about an outside entity influencing ones mind which is both physical and nonphysical, and more so ones body.   Since the mind is connected to the body, and there is kind of two way interface between these, it can get tricky understandign what exactly is being affected.  

  Now the spiritual Will of an entity, this is a bit different, though yet again connected to the mind, and to the body.    Can another entity invade my energy space and rearrange my own unique and invidividual vibrational patterns and turn me into something i'm not?    I doubt it, but if its influening my mind and body, then to me, that's more than enough difficulty and a problem as it is.

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 Dunno, i guess it depends.  If it is a from a human origin, i wouldn't be too worried at all.  Humans notoriously are pretty undeveloped in the M-band manipulation abilities and capacities.  Because of the way we have evolved, its not until a human personality becomes very spiritually developed (USUALLY!) that they can greatly manipulate the M-band field.  

 Hmm, a being who evolved in another system, who has much greater and conscious abilitiy to control and manipulate the M-band field with their very powerful minds?

 Yeah, i might have some difficulty in such a situation, but since i'm still relatively a "child" yet, my hand is being somewhat held in that sense, and i'm protected.

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 In the Earth plane, things are little more skewed than in the nonphysical dimensions.  In the more purely nonphysical, you could not have one entity negatively influencing another entities mind energies, though maybe you could with two slower vibrational consciousnesses.   Because of the difference in vibrational rate between a more light filled consciousness and one who has shut out the light, there would be no "meeting" so to speak, they wouldn't exist in the same "space".  

 In the Earth plane, intense light attracts intense lack of light.  You have only to look at the many spiritual guides and teachers who have incarnated over the long ages to see this phenomena.   The most intensely and purely light filled ones, often get great negative energy attracted to them and many of these end up dying at the hands of the lack of light consciousnesses.  The ones who so deeply lack light within self, hunger for it on some level, but instead of doing that which would fill themselves up with light, they try to steal or lesson the light within the other.  Of course, this usually doesn't work the way they hope, SO the next best thing is to shut them up as much as they can.

 Hence Yeshua and the Pharisess and other priests of his day, who when they looked at Yeshua, only saw red and so irrationally too.   They hated him with a passion that you and i could probably never understand, there was no logical reasoning behind it whatsoever, it was pure irrationality and negativity period.  

  The same can happen on more subtle levels with a physically incarnate personality, and a nonphysical consciousness who is still connected to the physical energies.

  Like you, i do believe that often, in some way they are "let in" on some level (and rarely consciously), but not always.   Its no so black and white Albert, there are more mysteries in heaven and earth than contained within your philosophies.  

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 Was it a mistake, error, or accident?  Dunno personally, to me it seems a little bit of chaos is almost necessary in creation, but this is more a incoherent and unformed feeling than a specific thought out logical thought.  I suppose things could have happened differently, again i really don't know, we are going into some very deep waters in this.  Maybe when i'm consciously one with Source, i will more fully understand or maybe not.

  I wouldn't use the term "evil", but rather they just don't know better and its not their fault.  Evil to me, implies a more conscious choice, like "i'm going to be this way", kind of thing.  

  Oh i completely agree, i believe that once the P.I. spark returned home completed, it became a "model" in a sense, for Consciousness and it to co-create other sparks.   I believe the first thing they did together, was to create Retriever sparks who while they had freewill like every other Spark, they were in a sense nudged or filled with the intention of going out to rescue these lost sparks.   Or perhaps more accurately, they were given a more pure dose of love energy as their base, and love innately desires and intends this, with P.I. always in a sense leading the way, the main director of the rescue mission.  

  That's exactly the role that Cayce's guides assign to the Total self of which Yeshua is part of.  And unlike many of us, he and his Total self has remained more true and consistent in this rescue mission.   The readings hint that he had a few lives where he had a bit of selfishness, and wasn't fully attuned to the Father (the active creative expanding aspect of Source), but more than not he has been a force for good and helpfullness throughout his existence.    Amazing Soul record in other words, and there truly is none like it in the sheer and consistent purity.

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 Sure they could.   And why would you say the last part?   While love energy might not be part of their base originally, no doubt they have other attributes of the Creator and a big one of those is curiosity and its reasonable to assume that along with freewill, they may have curiosity as well.  

 They may be scattered across the universes for all we know, but it seems like Earth in particular has attracted a greater percentage of these lost ones.   My hunch is, if you look at many other worlds and systems out there, Earth kind of has a rather unique pattern and "history" (at least this is what my intution whispers to me, and i believe its the reason why you, me, and a percentage of others "came here" originally, to help out in this rescue mission in battleground Earth).  

 Why?   Perhaps because a greater percentage of these lost ones became attracted to this discordant, inharmonious, slow vibrating, rough and tumble consciousness bandwith known as physical Earth?

  Like attracts like, no?  This goes for them as well, whatever their origins, all energy and consciousnesses operate according to this basic fundamental energy law or natural, innate, and automatic reaction.  

  Others in other systems, because of their different evolution and greater M-Band manipulation capabilities have destroyed other worlds, and became a blot upon Creation until they were forcibly stopped by others intune with Source.   Normally, Light beings, the "federation" as known by some, is pretty laid back and live and let live, but there have been times when force has become necesssary to the greater collective health of all involved.  Some of these then were attracted into the Earth system, almost as renegades in a sense and have tried the same destructive games.  

 Again, just my intutiion and not necessarily accurate or true at all.

 In any case, it doesn't do much good to focus on this stuff, overall love is the most powerful energy in the Universe, cause its the most objectively real energy, because its directly of Source nature and built into most of creation.

  And ultimately, there is nothing to fear whatsoever.   Yet, bad and difficult things happen to good people and there are even accidents (unplanned stuff) happen in creation (as Cayce's guides once cryptically said), and it seems like this is the case with D.K. here.  Dunno ultimately, but it was an interesting conversation.

 Oh btw, as far as Bruce and the lost sparks thing goes, that is purely my interpretation of Bruce's info.   He does not go into the stuff that i've talked about, and i have no idea of what he believes about this stuff regarding the lost sparks he talked about.   I don't want people to believe that he promotes this belief, when he really hasn't.   Purely my intuition and interpretation which is related to his info.   Before i read Bruce's 4th book, i had already had come to a very similar "vision" or concept of creation as he outlined in his book though, i was very excited to find someone with such a similar perspective though.  It was more of a aha confirmation type thing, rather than purely "new" information to me.

 But, i'm really not all that overtly and obviously psychic in the more stereotypical sense of the word.  

augoeideian wrote on Mar 9^th, 2007 at 3:34am:


  Hi Caryn, i respect your passion and devotion to Christ, and its not all that dissimilar to my own.   I can't tell you how much i love this being and how grateful to it i am, he is and always has been my teacher, just as he as been a teacher and guide to many throughout the ages.

  But realistically and ultimately, i really don't think Christ needs to be defended by you or anyone and in fact, this has happened too much and too extremely in the past, and is part of the reason of why Christianity and anything remotely connected to same has left such a bad taste in many people's mouths.   It has been used and abused by those far from Christ for so long...

  I really cannot even begin to "blame" people for having these kinds of feelings.   I'm lucky in the sense that i was raised in an open atmosphere during childhood, and my mom didn't push her beliefs on me.   I had no childhood religion but was drawn to Yeshua and his teachings independantly of any group, friends, teachings, or religious thought, as a moth is drawn to a flame.

  What i think is being defended here, is more so one's own belief system, and hence ego attachment to same.   We all have ego, and we all sometimes feel a need to defend our beliefs and ways of thinking.  We're all overattached to our beliefs and preconceived ideas, perceptions.

  Calling Jesus, Yeshua, is trendy?   I personally know very, very few people who call Jesus Yeshua.   I started calling him Yeshua way before any hollywood movies like the Passion or the DaVinci Code came out.   It's been many years since i started calling him and thinking of him like that, it after all was his real name in the earth when he was still public.   

   I believe i was associated with him in that life, nothing special at all, just one of the many who listened to and followed his words.   I was more or less a "gentile" then, and wasn't very accepted by the closer crowd of more pure Hebrews around him, such as the 12 disciples.   They thought i was too much of a Greek, hence too involved with romance and sexual affairs.  And truthfully, i or that other self was.

   My biological father (whom wasn't really part of my childhood much at all), i found out later on in life, also has always had a deep love of Yeshua and his teachings outside of religion, and has had many dreams over the years about Yeshua and that time period, such as being a Jew and eating passover lamb, etc.  Since i know we (my father and i) have a karmic soul history together, its not unreasonable to assume that we were associated in that life as well.   

  My dad is a musician, and wrote a very powerful song about Yeshua, something like "An arrow into the heart of the Sun", and wrote another song called "in the garden" talking about Yeshua's pain, and especially his loneliness before he fully overcame his personality and ego, especially in relation to his friends whom he had always faithfully supported and been there for, and they abandoned him in his greatest hour of need and compansionship.    

   My brother Michael as well follows a similar pattern, came to a deep belief in and love of Yeshua and his teachings independant of any religious, or outside influence such as friends, groups, parental, etc. 

  As regards your words to me, especially concerning me calling Yeshua as being "trendy", they sound rather judgmental.   

   Be aware of Saturn in Leo opposing your Aquarius energies.   Remember what He said to Peter, and it follows for you as well, "Get thee behind me Saturn", Saturn is that force which tests and would mislead us, it strengthens our ego and materialistic tendencies.   

   I've been under quite a bout of this lately myself, anyone with strong placements in Leo and/or Aquarius has, its a very difficult time for us, and its easy to let our lower selves get the best of us during this period, which unfortunately i have a lot lately in the last year or so.     I have Leo Rising 16 degrees and Venus in Aquarius at 21 degrees, and right now Saturn is at about 20/21 degrees Leo.

  And making it more difficult, is the illusionary Neptune who right now is at about 20 degrees Aquarius and combative, reactionary, and angry quick trigger Mars who is also in Aquarius now, and the combo with Saturn in Leo is difficult to deal with for those of the Leo--Aquarius polarity especially (also hard for those with strong Taurus--Scorpio polarity too).   Neptune can easily mask certain issues, and facilitate people having rose colored glasses in relation to self and/or to others.  Mars excites to over passioned and reactionary responses, wrath, uncontrolled anger, etc.

  Btw, i like your little article on Pisces, it is well written and i agree with much of it.

In Peace, with much respect to you    

Ahso:

All I can do is basically restate what I've already written. If you allow yourself to connect with divine will and live accordingly, you should be okay. If you don't and try to do an ego against ego thing, the possibility of running into ego energy that is stronger than your energy exists. They might even do an Akido** kind of thing, and try to use some of your energy against you.

You're right when you say some of your thoughts don't 100% represent what Bruce believes. On a past post about demons he wrote that demons are nothing but a bunch of superstitious nonsense.  He wrote this even though he wrote what he wrote about lost probes. He wrote that when it comes to this planet nothing more is involved than earthbound spirits. He wrote that some of these earthbound spirits look for people who buy into the demon con.


**I don't believe this is the usage of energy the founder of Akido had in mind.