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AhSoLaoTsuAhhOmmra
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Hi all,
Don't know exactly what to say, i've read this entire thread and want to say something, but don't know what to say.
I see a lot of projection here, and a lot of attachment, and while i say that, i'm not trying to judge because i don't look down upon it, cause i know i do it myself.
Ok, forums have a tendency to become somewhat like a family after while, especially with long term regular posters. There is nothing wrong or right about that, but certain things do tend to evolve out of that. Sometimes a kind of "clannishness" develops, where newcomers especially with different belief systems are viewed (however unconsciously on part of certain individuals and the group as an "entity" itself) with suspicion and not quite treated the same as the old long term or frequent posters. Its a natural human reaction.
While i may be wrong on this, I don't think anyone one of us here is fully and completely Source aligned, NOT ONE OF US hence not one of us here is completely conscious to all aspects of self, let alone completely intune with all aspects of another.
People are very unconscious in nature, until you get really, really close to full Source awareness, there are parts of you and us, which are unconscious, which react without conscious awareness and reasoning, and i see a lot of this on this thread.
To me, PUL is not about being all lovey dovey and agreeing all the time, to me, its looking for the best within others and self, even while at the same time being clearly aware of what is not of Source within others and self, of what's not constructive.
You don't represss the awareness of what's destructive about others and the of the self of this within self. It's important to be honest about what hinders, especially in relation to self. I'm not saying to concentrate on the negatives, but to see them for what they are, to accept it, and then regenerate those tendencies.
The Family here, has both conditional and unconditional love. I more often see conditional love, and again there is nothing wrong with that, and i do see unconditional love/acceptance here sometimes, but it is more often than not outweighed and balanced by conditional, family, group love and ATTACHMENT TO THE GROUP AND TO THE FAMILY.
PUL is all about getting away from attachment, if you're attached, you can't love unconditionally. It's an oxymoron. PUL is universal, personality likes or dislikes unattached, and always completely equal to everyone all the time. Who here really consistently lives this? I see a lot of personality reactions, between likes and dislikes.
Blink, i see you as a very gentle, passive, and beautiful person, very flowing, very water and air, very feminine. But i think you are projecting to some extent and over reacting to Tempest's fire and earth like energy here.
You mention the heart, and i sense that you're a very heart person, which is good and beautiful, but if i've learned anything in this life, its all about balance. Heart is meant to be balanced and merged with Mind, and Mind is meant to be balanced and merged with Heart. Either one without the other, is not much effective or whole in and of itself. You seem quite right brained in nature and tendency, but aren't we all meant to merge the left and right parts of the brain, isn't that what Monroe was trying to teach and what Hemi-sync is all about? Only spiritual masters have fully done this.
They need each other, Water and Air needs Fire and Earth, and above all feminine and masculine need each other, they are part of each other though very different in nature. Neither one is bad nor good really, they just are, but its imbalance which really creates the problems and we're all imbalanced to a greater or lesser extent in this.
I sense a strong masculine and left brain polarity in Tempest, and i sense that you tend to value the feminine and right brain over the masculine and left brain. Like attracts like, and because these are quite different polarities, you are reacting to them quite strongly. Polarization, its not black and white and just about "negative" energy, its about different modes and ways of being, and your passive, gentle flowing very Water and Air way is NOT BETTER than the way of Fire and Earth. It's easier for you and other very water and/or air types to judge and label Tempest or those like her as being just "negative" or what not, but this doesn't get to the root of the problem. I bet you, if i know both of your charts and compared them that the chart comparison on both ends would be highly stressed, a lot of squares and oppositions particularly between difficult energies like Mars, Moon, Saturn, Uranus, and Pluto.
But its clear from your posts to Tempest, and from you calling to have her banned, that on some unconscious level you believe this, that your way is inherently better than hers.
And i'm not saying Tempest is free from any ego, or unconsciousness here either. But it does seem like in some respects she is being more self honest and critical about herself and direct to others about her feeligns and thoughts. Fire is good for cutting through the P.C. BS sometimes.
Look at the Teacher of teachers example, he occasionally said some pretty strong and cutting words to others, he was not lovey dovey Water and Air nicey nicey all the time. He sometimes took on and became Fire personafied. He told the Pharisees that they as a group entity were a bunch of lying hypocrites, and he being the most loving person to ever incarnated on this planet. I bet if you had been back then, and heard his words and criticisms to them, with your personality now, you probably would not have thought him a very "loving" person. Btw, he also quite clearly told others, especially the very unconscious Pharisees, that he was very intune. It wasn't a "boast", or self inflation, but just a matter of stating a fact of which he was quite aware of. He was not a shrinking voilet who said things like, "well this just my humble opinion and all..." He knew truth because he was self honest and could see right through himself and others, and because he lived truth to the utmost degree.
The point to me, is that we flow into whatever is most constructive for the moment. Sometimes its best to be water, passive and flowing, gentle and breezy like air, sometimes it's best to be fiery, direct, strong outpouring and ultra masculine, sometimes its good to be earth, rooted and practical with a concentrated focusedness.
These all are meant to be merged, and all are needed at some time or another. But this is not easy, we all tend to some over the other the majority of the time. We all are attracted to that of which is the predominant energy within us. We all tend to be repelled by that which is quite contrary to our natural tendencies and expressions.
We are letting our own narrow perspectives and like attracts like tendencies to blind us to the greater, more holistic, and more expanded truths.
On a personal level, i tend to sympathize with Tempest, because like her i tend more to the Fire and Earth expression. My chart shows that i strongly worked on and developed the Air and Water expressions in a pattern of other lives, and now i need to learn how to become more Fire and Earth so as to create a greater balance.
Who knows, maybe Tempest was too much Water and Air in other lives, and now is trying to gain a greater balance? Maybe you Blink were too Fiery and Earthy and now are focussing a lot of Water and Air to balance?
This is why we should not judge, not because its so wrong to perceive critical things about others, but because we are so limited in our viewpoints about others and even self. If you knew another person's every other lifetime and saw all of them, then you could judge and judge wisely. And because as humans, we tend to judge with negative feelings in the background of it, again its our "unconsciousness" that only those who have achieved full self mastery and Source alignment are beyond.
Dunno, i see a lot of people's points on this thread, i agree with a lot and i disagree with a lot. I see a lot of beauty and self expression, which happens to be very diverse and different in nature.
I don't see Tempest as a negative entity with the intention and motivation to cause trouble with others, but i see a directness that is for those not so direct and especially those who tend to be more subtle and heart centered, hard to deal with at times.
How about, we worry a lot more about ourselves, and not so much about others or even the "group"? These can take care of themselves, the real work is with ourselves and learning to regenerate our own negative tendencies. All to often i see so many worrying so much about what others do or say, and not enough about what they themselves do or say. I fall into this trap often myself, too much for my own liking.
And something we don't often consider right away, is that because of the unconscious nature of human personalities, and that we have lived many lifetimes (a percentage of which are strongly influening us now) and have interacted with many of the same people in many different ways, oft times these other relationships and their dynamics get brought into the "present" and so we find ourselves becoming irrationally and abnormally upset with another even when the situation or conditions around same aren't all that extreme in and of themselves.
If fact, in another life, we may have been angry at this person, and even righteously so, perhaps they did us an underhanded blow, and now even if they are being honest and open, we still feel that other relationship in the background and still perceive them half subconciously that way.
This in itself can explain a lot of those "intuitive" type feelings we have about another which tend to be negative in nature. There causes may originally be right and accurate, but not necessarily applicable to the current situation and relationship.
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