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Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 5:07am
 
interesting thread. I've been keeping a dream log about 7 years and definetely going somewhere with it insofar as the symbols of the future, personal only, but sometimes involving friends or retrievals, the symbols are getting more literal and less open to interpretation error. there is an emotional body which has a different movement out there developed over the years. it now glides instead of walking, well, it feels graceful because thats how I feel in my emotions these days. this movement out there my guides told me long ago had to do with C1 "pacing" myself, which would reflect when I go gliding as I've been calling it.
this is the way I become lucid, through realizing I am enjoying the gliding movement.
and then the experience will unfold as it will.

also I have a theory developing. TMI teaches us we have unlimited mind, and C1 is limited mind, this is following up on Dude's thought.

the collective mind, chock full of symbols is where the unlimited aspects of mind reside, where we dream at, what is called mostly unconscious.
my theory involves us "blinking" in and out of consciousness, from one reality to the real time reality. we can blink out while in a dream state and blink back into another scene of the dream and be somewhat conscious, the scenery has changed, but we don't know how we got there. we blinked out.
then we awaken into C1, we are now blinking back into this other dream of physicality.
throughout the day we may try to concentrate on our work, or projects and find we are blinking out again here too into a day dream. we may be driving a car on automatic pilot blinking out. I've trained myself not to do that in a car.

my theory during the ascension process, or call it the shift in consciousness, is that the blinking on and off become of shorter duration until the mind is one stream of awareness and phasing in that case is one of the signs this is happening, the limited versus the unlimited areas merge like a river flowing.
this fairy is what my emotional body "feels" like somewhat when phasing or dreaming or obeing..
I believe the emotional body would be a different body than the mental body awareness: but a picture denotes the movement I was trying to explain:
in any case, we are definetely a lot more than what we express on this physical level of expression..the bliss and freedom of movement, and the magnitude of experiencing ourselves in these inner treks, are quite a fringe benefit to the shift in consciousness.

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Reply #16 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 10:50am
 
Just to add something I remember reading about dreams.....if we only dreamed once or twice a year, we would put far more stock into what they mean.  By dreaming several times per night, we tend to dismiss their importance.

Makes sense to me.
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Reply #17 - Feb 20th, 2007 at 1:16pm
 
thats right Rondele. I used to keep a journal back in the 80's for while. then some author turned me off from exploring the dream world by saying something I took negatively, so gave up dreaming for many years as of any importance to my well being or growth.

they said dreams were subconscious desires expressing out there only. wishing to be buddhist and not understanding that philosophy wholly, I wished to be without desires. so I dreamed not but sporadically, although its said we dream whether we remember or not, or whether we want to or not. some dreams still impounded with enough force to recall with definite messages in them how to live my life.

later when I got serious again and began writing them down, I figured this author just hadn't gone far enough with it. sure, we have desires which can outpicture, but there's so much more out there than desires. theres retrievals and other floaters and travelers with their own bodies of awareness that you can meet. there's family relatives who wish to get  message through, theres a future road to walk down and see the end result of.

but most people don't put stock into the dream landscape as of worthy of study.
so it has to be a conscious decision to find out about yourself to go this route and it takes courage to face yourself out there because of the belief system crashes you can bring back to C1.  the crashes get easier to face them, replaced by a sense of accomplishment that you understood who you were and why you did what you did, either here or there.

so its a matter of focus..where you wanna look. there is no wrong, there is no right, there is just life in its myriad expressions. its a phenomenal type of journey all in all.

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Reply #18 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 12:33pm
 
Many interesting and helpful observations on this thread.  Traditionally we’re informed that dreams come in something like 90 minute sleep cycles.  However, I suspect that at some level we’re always dreaming – it’s just that our conscious focus is moved away from our dream consciousness.  I can fall instantly into a dream state or wake up and take notes about a dream and then go back to a dream state.  That doesn’t fit with the old dream cycle approach.  I like Alysia’s idea of blinking in and out. 

Also, it seems to me that it’s important to pay attention to the dream landscape.  In some of my dreams I’m just a point of awareness and the dream content doesn’t fit any normal dream symbolism but seems to involve feelings, a sense of energy, motion or action, and sometimes there will be a vaguely seen field of energy.  There’s nothing that comes across like visual images from our waking physical lives.  I suspect the visual images in our dreams (the symbols) may sometimes be our physical consciousness interpreting the nonphysical impressions that touch us in our dream state.

Anyway, a couple more observations that may or may not be helpful.  In any case, dreams are fascinating and they put us in contact with something that goes way beyond the physical.  I hope this thread goes on for a while, everyone’s offered some great thoughts.  Great how we learn from each other.  Thanks all!
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Reply #19 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:12pm
 
Does anybody have dreams from years ago that they still remember?

For example, years ago, when I first started to check out the spiritual market place, I attended meditation classes with a teacher from India for a short while. One night I had a dream where I was standing at the end of a plank that was sticking out from the upper level of a high scaffold.  The room was black. I could either jump off of the scafold and hope I could fly, or I could walk back to the scaffold where the teacher was. I chose to jump with the hope I would fly astrally.

After this dream I decided to stop seeing this teacher. It was a good move. His motives weren't pure. He couldn't get his own guru thing going, so he ended up being the translator for a very well known, but phoney guru, who has a history of doing some really negative things. I believe the creator of my dream was looking out for me.
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Reply #20 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 2:07pm
 
thats interesting self guidance or thru your guides, dream type obe Albert.
I see the black room as a clue what you deducted and later decided was true. the black room was void of light.

yes I remember some early dreaming regarding learning astral travel and the separation of one body from another. the earliest I was 3 or 4 yrs old. I used to wet the bed. one day I was promised I could bake cookies with my foster mom if I didn't wet the bed that night. so I said OK! Cheesy   During the night I "awoke." why am I awake I thought? oh I know, I'm supposed to go to the bathroom now. So all happy this was happening, I went to the bathroom recalling each step upon the floor, turning the knob, and the entire details of being with physical body, everything was as solid as can be.
returned to bed and awoke again; laying in a wet bed! I was vastly confused and upset, as my accomplishment of being a "good" girl had been snatched from me.
the rest of the story...I could not let this happen, I would not be allowed to make cookies in that case, also I didn't want to disappoint this woman I stayed with. for a very long time I rubbed the stain dry until I heard my door open and she said good morning, did u wet the bed? No mam, I said. I got up in the night!  let me see she said. the bed was dry and she thought the stain was from a previous time. she was tired of stripping my sheets, lol!

the funny thing is, after this experience I never wet the bed again.

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Reply #21 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 3:50pm
 
Alysia:

Interesting pee dream.  Grin Made me laugh so hard I almost wet myself.

Just kidding, I couldn't resist a pee joke. Shocked

Perhaps early on you were being reminded of something.

There are a couple of repeating dreams I had as a kid (a few times each).

In one, I was standing in a boxing ring that was made completely out of rope. It was suspended in the air. The dream would end after I fell through a trap door.

In another, I would be smothered by my pillow.

I never figured out what they were about.

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Reply #22 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 4:19pm
 
Albert, just an idea about falling thru the trap door. when your astral is entering the body from beinig out, a lot of times the brain interprets and brings you a symbol of falling, so looks like your awareness was attempting to record the feeling of recoincidence.
I don't know how to interpret the being in a roped off court.
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Reply #23 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 11:41am
 
I remember quite a number of dreams from years ago during periods when I was keeping a dream journal.  The remembered dreams were intensely felt but I don't think they were nearly as dramatic or potentially scary as Recoverer jumping of the scaffolding.  I agree you made the right choice.  Don't know if I would have jumped though - kudos for your courage.

Remembering old dreams somehow seems different than ordinary memory.  In part it seems like I am able to reexperience the dream as opposed to pulling up memories of it.

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Reply #24 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 11:54am
 
Before my marriage 17 years ago I had a premonition about it. Looking back, the premonition described the entire course of the marriage.  I wrote these sort of dreams down periodically and have been able to review them over the last year.

During the marriage I had repeated dreams of my current partner, an old flame. I even visited him in dreams over the years and saw his ex-wife and accurately described her to him last year.

In my dreams I always wanted to return to this old flame.  I kept wandering over to his place and peeking in--in dreamland. But I never expected to reunite. Never. It was completely shocking when it occurred. And I mean Shocking---like lightning bolts physically travelling through my body. Overwhelming. Scary Overwhelming.

There is so much truth in our dreams.

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Reply #25 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 1:50pm
 
dear Blink, I could write a tragic and glorious folk song  just based on what you described. I won't probably, but I be understanding kiddo!!!

isn't life amazing how we write our own scripts outside of linear time?
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Reply #26 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 2:13pm
 
Thank you to everyone who has added their input to this thread.  Very interesting ideas!

I have been dreaming about dead relatives and/or friends since I was about 22 years old.  My Aunt had passed away and I started dreaming about her alot.  In my dreams I would know she wasn't physically alive anymore but it didn't seem to freak me out.  Then through the years I came to the conclusion that she had kept visiting me in my dreams because we had never gotten a chance to say goodbye.  I was the only one in our immediate family that didn't go to the hospital to see her before her dying day.  I haven't dreamed about her since I thought she was trying to say goodbye to me in the first place. 

But recently...I had a friend pass away (coincidently the day AFTER my beloved cat Seussy) and I was wondering if she would show up in my dreams.  Well, she finally did.  A few nights ago I dreamt I was at some sort of costume party sitting on a couch.  I looked over to my right and lo and behold!!  There she was!  Sitting and listening to a band plan.  When I reconized her I moved over and apologized for not shedding a tear at her funeral.  (Like I said, my cat had died and I was all out of tears and emotions for that particular day)  So I cried with her and asked her what it was like to die.  Which so happens to be my standard question when talking with a deceased person in my dreams.  They usually answer my question but I can never remember their reply when I wake up.  Anyways, after sitting and chatting for awhile I remember walking down a corridor with her in front and I asked her if she would take care of my cat.  As soon as I asked this question I felt ashamed for some reason.  Like it was such a petty thought.  I felt like apologizing and the next thing I know we are back on the couch and she had turned into a little grey kitten.  Which looked an awful lot like the 5 month old kitten we have now.  I've been searching dream books for meanings but I have been told to be careful what I read.  Each book will represent a symbol in different ways.

Any ideas what would be a 'pretty accurate' book about interpreting dreams?

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Reply #27 - Feb 23rd, 2007 at 2:28pm
 
On a sidenote...

Anyone here ever read the book "What Dreams May Come"?  I saw the movie (with Robin Williams) when it first came out and years later a friend of mine suggested reading the book.  Ironically that was the very book that got me thinking about God again.  And ultimatley began me on a journey of discovery and seeking truth. 

I can also remember after watching the movie looking at my girlfriend and exclaiming...Now THAT'S what I hope the afterlife is like!! 

Just wanted to mention this because it was a huge stepping stone in my life.

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Reply #28 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 2:01am
 
great movie it was!  It seems like with dreams and obes they have to cook in the subconscious awhile before you get your own answers what it means.

thats how it is with me. I write them all down and the answers come later. you can look up on the internet what cat means, but it won't be able to decipher what it means to you.
the kitten represents a replacement for the one that died, right?
so there you have the idea of new life.
also a pet is a part of us, something we love.
in a way, your friend could have seen the kitten as your symbol for new life, and to continue loving what is in your life to love, instead of anguishing over the other cat.
also, if this is a concern, about the spirit cat, if you want you can do a retrieval. this is basically to "imagine" the cat living in the best circumstances, soft pillow to lie on, food abundant, ect. this produces a love field out there for the cat should u be wanting it to greet you once you cross over.
however, you can also bypass the retrieval, and just ask the animal caretakers to attend to the animal. There are these workers, and they are well suited to this task in great affection. my sister is one. these are able to pick up your visions.
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Reply #29 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 7:27am
 
I've always said to my wife then when I die whoever greets me better have my cat with them...That's how much I loved him.  No matter how physcotic that sounds...

He meant that much to me....Which brings me to another question....Do animals/pets share past lives with humans?



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