It is a great question Aras
and I enjoy reading your reply AhSoLao, i like the way you bring dimensions and colour into the picture! I'd like to post here from Edgar Cayce ('tis long again but worth the read for those who are interested)
AhSo we spoke in the past about Cayce talking on the planets and this information I have is in my note book written out a few years ago but if I am correct it comes from 'The life story of Jesus' but will be able to confirm once I go through his books I have.
Bit of interest first though - Horoscope – In modern astrology the word horoscope is used to denote the symbolic figure of the heavens that is the Chart. However, until the 18th century the word was used not with such a chart but with the Ascendant degree. This 18th century use was etymologically correct, for the Greek astrology (from which much of the modern astrology derived) termed the Ascendant the ‘Horoscopos’, apparently from two Greek terms meaning ‘watching from a high vantage point’.
Fred Gettings.
In my understanding; the Ascendant sign together with the degree is the sign we will achieve in our next life or if not next life it is what we are becoming. The Ascendant sign is the constellation rising on the Eastern horizon at birth.
Edgar Cayce wrote quite a bit about astrology and he theorized (through chanelling) the placements of the Planets in the Zodical signs shows the accumulation of one’s life before the present one. The aspects in the Chart represent the challenges we face in this life.
Rudolf Steiner talks about the sublime Planetary Beings (humans maybe?) and the sublime Hierarchy who reside in the planets. The Zodiac Beings are viewed as the Arch-Angels Hierarchy.
Getting back to Edgar Cayce; he chanelled this information-
In Saturn we find the sudden or violent changes – those influences and environs that do not grow, as it were, but are sudden by change of circumstances materially – or by activities apparently on the part of others, that become a part of self by the very associations. Yet these are testing periods of thy endurance, or they patience, or thy love of truth, harmony and the spirit that faileth not. From the combination of this with Uranus, we find the extremes; the material or mental environs in which the very opposites may be expected. Remember only in Christ Jesus do extremes meet.
Each entity should know that every thought and act are the materials out of which they are building their very being. The sojourns in the various spheres are but the results of their own desires.
In the earth, matter takes all its various forms of presentation of energy or force as radiated from the various solar aspects. All force in the earth sphere assumes a three dimensional appearance.
In Jupiter, all ennobling influences are accentuated, whether they be from Earth, Venus, Mercury or Mars.
In Saturn, that (sphere) to which all insufficient matter is cast for its remoulding, preparation is made for returning or re-entering through those influences of the Uranian – which make for the extremes, very good or very bad, and making for extraordinary condition in relationships – throughout other experiences called in the Earth plane occult influences.
‘I thought I was on Saturn. The ring around it was like a shield, and it was a place where entities learned that they couldn’t go all the way around the ring like they could on Earth. They could go to this place (Saturn) but couldn’t get around it – where the band was around. For the Earth and Saturn are opposites, as it were .. to Saturn go those who would renew or begin again; or who have blotted from their experience much tat may be set in motion again through other influences and environs that have been a portion of the entity’s experience.
In Soul development, that man may be one with Father, it is necessary that the Soul pass – with its companion, the Will – through all the various stages of development, until the Will is lost in Him, and he becomes one with the Father. As in Jesus’.
Past earth experiences, according to the Readings, express themselves through an individuals emotions – while at the same time the individual’s mental aspects are shown as being developed from indwelling in planes of consciousness (represented by the Planets) between earth lives. Planetary relationships are thus explained as being symbolic of these dwellings and the development achieved in the experience.
Consequently, each individual varies considerably not only in mental and emotional traits, but also in the manner of degree that a given planet or planetary configuration affects that person.
The record of planetary influences found in the Akasha was explained as being emblematic of how an individual had reacted to various mental and emotional situations in the past. This was shown to be a present and continually evolving relationship.
Then in giving the astrological influences, these would vary considerably from what would be seen from the spiritual or the soul-experience in the earth’s plane.
Were this entity’s experiences given from the purely astrological science, as accepted in may quarters, they would vary entirely from this (record) which may be given here – or what is viewed from here.
For these are the Akashian records of the entity’s or souls development. As to how the present experience, with its environs, will be acted upon or influenced – there will be little influence from an astrological stand-point.
Each soul, each body, each individual is an individual entity. What is done and what is thought becomes a living record of the experience of that individual entity – in whatever sphere of consciousness this activity may have been recorded upon the skein of time and space.
As to whether a soul is developed or retarded during a particular life depends on what the person holds as its ideals, and what it does in its mental and material relationships about that ideal.
Life is a purposeful experience, and the place in which a person finds himself is one in which he may use his present abilities, faults, failures, virtues, in fulfilling the purpose for which the Soul decided to manifest in the three-dimensional plane.
Know in thyself that there are immutable laws, and the universe about thyself is directed by laws set in motion from the beginning. The Book of Life is the record that the individual entity itself writes upon the skein of time and space, through patience and is opened when self as attuned to the infinite and may be read by those attuning to that consciousness.
As such, the Universe was created for our awareness and coming to understanding of its design and purpose. As has been indicated by some, ye are part and parcel of a Universal Consciousness or God. And thus (part) of all that is within, the Universal Consciousness, or Universal Awareness: as are the stars, the planets, the sun and the moon.
Do ye rule them or do they rule thee? They were made for thine own use, as an individual. Yea, that is the part (they play) the thought which thy Maker, thy Father-God, thinks of thee. For ye are as a corpuscle in the body of God; thus a co-creator with him in what ye think and in what ye do.
When the heavens and the earth came into being, this meant the universe as the inhabitants of the earth know it. Yet there are many suns in the universe even those (suns) about which our Sun, our earth, revolves. And all are moving toward some place – yet space and time appear incomplete.
The time and space are but one. Yet the Sun that is the center of this particular solar systems is
the center; and as has been known of old, it (the Sun) is that about which earth and its companion planets circulate or revolve.
A beginning in understanding these (facts) and the influence upon the lives of individuals was thought out or evolved or interpreted by those of old, who were without the means for observing which are considered necessary today, in order to understand.
Since the Sun has been set as the ruler of this solar system, does it not appear reasonable that it does have an effect upon the inhabitants of the earth as well as upon plant and mineral life in the earth? Thus we find given in the Bible: ‘The sun and the moon and the stars were made also’; this being the writer’s attempt to convey to the individual the realization that there is also an influence in their activity.
For remember: they … the sun, the moon and the planets have their marching orders from the Divine, and they move in these. Man alone is given the birthright of free will. He, alone may defy his God. Planets were created for Man’s development then rather than have the stars rule the life, the life should rule the stars. For Man was created a little bit higher than all the rest of the whole universe, and is capable of harnessing, directing and enforcing the laws of the universe.
Now, if only we could figure out why the world is in such turmoil?