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Some Questions Regarding Belief Systems
Jan 29th, 2007 at 3:41am
 
1.) At what age do our beliefs begin having an affect on the Afterlife experience, or does age even matter?

2.) Is there a certain point at which a person has gathered enough beliefs as to have an affect on their Afterlife experience or do any and all beliefs have an affect on the Afterlife experience regardless of age or level of innocence/rational cognition?

3.) Do fleeting beliefs have an affect on the Afterlife experience, or opposingly, do beliefs have to be deeply engrained to have an affect on the Afterlife experience?

4.) What if I were to say (and think), "This is what I believe"... but, at the same time it wasn't something that truly and sincerely resonated with me?

5.) Beings the ego is not that which merges with the light, but rather is part of this physical embodiment... Are beliefs solely part of the transitioning/separation process (residual of our Earthly life), henceforth stronger during the initial transition into the Afterlife and fainter as the transition progresses into the various deeper states of the experience? 

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Re: Some Questions Regarding Belief Systems
Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2007 at 1:07pm
 
Dearheart CA,

Your posts are so soul-full!
From my POV only, looking back at what's happened to me this lifetime,
I think that perhaps the age of the soul has more to do with it  than the age of the individual's current incarnation. Things I said in rebellion quite young have had quite an affect on my life. And so has changing those early outbursts back to the loving understanding we find here.  Smiley  So #1) earthly age doesn't matter. (I think in this case that the R Catholic Church is correct in accepting death bed conversions as soul-saving. In soul matters, not in matters of their own church's requirements, I mean. )

Re:#2 etc---When we wish to change our beliefs we need only offer affirmations of what we now believe. It's all The Flow. 
If a person is meeting life-lessons based upon a belief they thought they had shed, maybe it's just some backwater rivulet that needs to be cleared. Affirmations to help with this clearing can be found in A Course in Miracles.

Surely you are asking on behalf of someone else, or for intellectual curiousity, or perhaps aiming for the 30's levels rather than the BSTs.
Your posts here are so helpful to so many readers.  You are a Light on the waters.

PUL
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Belief Systems
Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2007 at 3:34pm
 
Cosmic_Ambitions wrote on Jan 29th, 2007 at 3:41am:
1.) At what age do our beliefs begin having an affect on the Afterlife experience, or does age even matter?

2.) Is there a certain point at which a person has gathered enough beliefs as to have an affect on their Afterlife experience or do any and all beliefs have an affect on the Afterlife experience regardless of age or level of innocence/rational cognition?

3.) Do fleeting beliefs have an affect on the Afterlife experience, or opposingly, do beliefs have to be deeply engrained to have an affect on the Afterlife experience?

4.) What if I were to say (and think), "This is what I believe"... but, at the same time it wasn't something that truly and sincerely resonated with me?


5.) Beings the ego is not that which merges with the light, but rather is part of this physical embodiment... Are beliefs solely part of the transitioning/separation process (residual of our Earthly life), henceforth stronger during the initial transition into the Afterlife and fainter as the transition progresses into the various deeper states of the experience?  

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Thank you for posting those questions!! Because that is what I have wanted to know as well!!
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Reply #3 - Jan 29th, 2007 at 3:45pm
 
I believe it is a matter of the kind of person you have become. If you have become a loving/humble person, your over all energy pattern will direct you accordingly, and your openess of heart and humility will allow you to see what truth really is.  I believe that all of us get mixed up about the details to varying extents.
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Reply #4 - Jan 29th, 2007 at 6:30pm
 
These are my immediate impressions from these questions.

1.) At what age do our beliefs begin having an affect on the Afterlife experience, or does age even matter?

If reincarnation is true I would logically assume that our beliefs affect our afterlife experience before we are even born, in our previous lifetimes, in some way or another, no matter what happens during this time around.  This time around, age would be irrelevant. I would assume that all personal experience would be relevant.
 
2.) Is there a certain point at which a person has gathered enough beliefs as to have an affect on their Afterlife experience or do any and all beliefs have an affect on the Afterlife experience regardless of age or level of innocence/rational cognition?  

Following the logic of this site I would assume that our beliefs cannot help but affect how we see the afterlife no matter why we have them and that we are influenced for better or for worse by those who greet us or by the personal experiences we have after crossing over.
 
3.) Do fleeting beliefs have an affect on the Afterlife experience, or opposingly, do beliefs have to be deeply engrained to have an affect on the Afterlife experience?  
 
I would assume that fleeting beliefs might be present in the afterlife also, and all would affect experience there, as our beliefs, no matter of what duration, are connected to experiences which have meaning for us.

4.) What if I were to say (and think), "This is what I believe"... but, at the same time it wasn't something that truly and sincerely resonated with me?
 
Then your uncertainty would cause you to be more easily influenced for better or worse by those who greet you in the afterlife.

5.) Beings the ego is not that which merges with the light, but rather is part of this physical embodiment... Are beliefs solely part of the transitioning/separation process (residual of our Earthly life), henceforth stronger during the initial transition into the Afterlife and fainter as the transition progresses into the various deeper states of the experience?

I would assume that individual beliefs and individual experience are possibly maintained in some way, preserved in a private or public fashion, for revisiting or renewal of an individual frame of reference.  However, I suspect that deeper experience beyond the "pleasures" of heaven or the prospect of immediate reincarnation would be much broader, and impossible for us to comprehend with a human mind in its subjective frame of reference.


Well, that all sounds very dry and unappetizing the way I have stated it...so, believe as you like!  It does seem like there's lots of love to go around there...best to look for the light wherever you find it.

love, blink Smiley
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Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2007 at 1:17am
 
Thank you all for the great and thoughtful replies.

Here is a link that I just happened to come across that relates quite well to this discussion in amazing reflective detail:

http://www.nderf.org/mathilde_m's_nde.htm

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Reply #6 - Feb 1st, 2007 at 10:22pm
 
Hi CA-
The idea of "beliefs" seems to miss the actual experience of disembodied souls by a tiny bit - the awareness tends to build some kind of construct, a BST. But the tendency toward action and creation of change etc seems to be more a matter of attitude, in this sense meaning the inclination of the soul toward carious responses, just as the attitude of an airplane is its inclination along all three axes of location, and thus tends to favor the next moment being in one way more than another. As another example, if your attitude on a street corner were leaning forward, then a passing bus could suck you into the street because that is the most favored direction.

Attitude arises from belief plus prior values and goals and the drives that they foster. For a very primitve soul, this might be as simple as a motivation to find food. In this sense, beliefs and attitudes are actually acted out as tendencies for our subsequent behavior. As far as I've been able to regress people, some back to pre-human ages, their attitudes have operated to direct their behavioral tendencies in the same way.

The idea of a belief, in the sense of awareness of something and the thought of its nature and qualities, is then added on when there is a body and something to believe in.  Prior to that, it's more like your dreams, a stimulus and response interchange, but without forming an explicit belief. When you dream, you follow your attitudes, but you do not specificlly have a belief in them. They are simply what seems to be happening, and on that level we don't question. We simply respond. At the same time, because we mostly create our own experiences in the spirit world, you might say that the circumstances presented by a dream, of in the afterlife, ARE the beliefs, acted and presented back to you.

If you deal with spirits, soul rescues, regressions etc you'll quickly get the impression that these beings are existing on a level where they seem to have a "one track mind", and are not able to hypothecate cognitive options. This seems to be the reason that they get into acting out their tendencies, but without thought in the usual sense of the word.

hope this helps-
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Belief Systems
Reply #7 - Feb 2nd, 2007 at 10:27am
 
Greetings,

Dave said
'Attitude arises from belief plus prior values and goals
and the drives that they foster.'

Is that why it's sometimes hard to change our attitudes, because
an attittude is dragging all this extra baggage around with them?

Love as a verb is an attitude, and a belief system,
a base of values, and a goal for future development,
All-In-One.   Is that what makes Love so potent?

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Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2007 at 12:31am
 
Interesting Dave, thank you for that.

Pure unconditional love is very potent Bets... and in the best of ways. (It is the Ultimate attitude.)

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