recoverer wrote on Jan 30^th, 2007 at 1:24pm:


  I know this may sound rather dogmatic and intolerant to a percentage of folks here, but since i feel the truth of it, i will say it outloud (in this life, its important for me to more speak my mind and to not be so repressed, within myself, and concerned with what others may think--Libra Moon con Virgo Saturn, Pisces South Node in the 7th..).   Honestly, i'm not religious in the usual sense of the word at all, have always been more universal oriented in nature.

  Many psychics, mediums, and sensitives in general went to Edgar Cayce to have readings done for them.  Over the years, he had some very talented and intune people get some psychic readings, folks who could see auras, folks who had OBE's, various mediums, folks who had visions, powerful dreamers, psychically inspired inventors like Tesla, etc. 

  Psychism was obviously a big subject in the readings in general.

  A person once asked what is a good criteria for knowing whether or not a medium or psychic channel and/or especially their nonphysical guide(s) is of a faster vibrating, more constructive, and expanded source or not.   Cayce's guides said it was pretty simple, if they affirm the life, example, death, and resurrection of the Christ, then they probably could be trusted, if not they emphatically indicated do not listen to them for they will be of a misleading or more ignorant nature. 

  I can think of a couple well known channelers, mediums, etc, who have spoken against Christ in various manners, who have denied either his life, example, or (especially his) death and/or resurrection.   

  Interestingly enough, one of the main and quite popular ones out there, whose guide denies the above (and quite strongly and consistently it seems), after hearing people speak highly about this source (before knowing their guide denied the above truths of Christ), i decided to read some of their info.   Even before finding out this, while i found some of the info interesting, i just did not get a good or expansive feeling about the books i held in my hands, or the info i was reading.   In a sense, i felt somewhat repelled by this source of info, and so did not finish.

"Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides us from truth."

Kahlil Gibran


Interesting comments, AhSo and Recoverer.

love, blink

Da_Bears_1_fan wrote on Jan 29^th, 2007 at 3:20pm:


My philosophy is new age as well and i similarly have my biggest problem with the bible thumpers who spout the fearful and loveless teaching that is eternal damnation.
While I have more time for the Christians who acknowledge the fallacy of eternal damnation, and i say fallacy because i'm well read about the whole mistranslation in the bible from a word meaning 'eon' - a period of time to eternal. (haha even their own scriptures contradict certain beliefs) I still essentially avoid taking these universalists and other more liberal christians too seriously because they still impose biblical teachings on the world that are not valid for many of us.


I'm not going to say that christ really existed or he didn't, or incarnated into the physical or whatever and debate about that because i'm not all that well read on the subject and don't see it as vital as long as the principles of PUL are observed. PUL is not present and can never be in a religion that promotes the concept of eternal hellfire and judgement. 'Yeah god loves you but only under certain circumstances, what a load of crap!

I do like the idea that all of the religions maybe have some truth, like the figure heads of the religion are a kind of 'avatar' - a soul/soul essence that chose to come back to earth and re-incarnate even when they had reached their own high level of spiritual development and experience, but they choose to come back to play a key role in guiding the world to a greater spiritual understanding. I'm not necessarily saying i believe this to be true, but i have heard about it and entertain the thought. Along this train of thought, Christ, Bhudda etc were 'avatars'.

I'm not a christian bigot but I am anti christian as in the way it is generally preached and imposed in much of the world. My essential belief is that there is only really one or two universal truths and they are that souls have 'free choice and free will' and that everything in this universe functions as one, as a whole, as part of 'god' if you will. Everything affects everything else in the whole whether you can see the interconnectivity or not. You'd have to be in a god like state to see all this interconnectivity and its fascinating to read about the people through NDE's and shifts in consciousness who are reaching this higher state. I certainly aspire to sense it myself.
If Christianity helped some souls to this realisation which are the only truths I see as valid for all of us, then that's good. As for other truths, they are only partial truths or subjective truths in my opinion that cannot be imposed as absolute truths on others.

Never Say Die Said:

"My essential belief is that there is only really one or two universal truths

..... and they are that souls have 'free choice and free will' and that everything in this universe functions as one, as a whole, as part of 'god' if you will. Everything affects everything else in the whole whether you can see the interconnectivity or not."


This is an interesting statement.  I agree completely with both of those "truths".....

But what does this "agreement" that I have mean and can I trust it?  

Are these the ONLY two universal truths?
Or....alternatively, are there ANY universal truths at all?  

Do universal truths exist?

Is a "universal truth" something I create myself, in my own mind, in my own heart, because I am human?

What is universal truth?  

What does it mean to be human?

What is the relationship that I have to "truth" as a human being, and how does existing here as a human being affect this relationship?

Do the questions lead to the answers....or do the answers lead to the questions?

It must be time to rest. Silence....silence....is golden.

love, blink

Nice post AhSoLao

I agree when you say we must look at our own experiences; we believe and trust we have come this far in Creation and it has been stepping stone upon stepping stone.  I think it is also important to be accountable and responsible for oneself in the bigger scheme of things - this saying I do think there is a frame work and guidelines - for our own good and safety and working within the universal framework and seeing the temple is within oneself and not without oneself - one does become in sync and stands in that mighty river, forever flowing, never the same but from one source.

Justin have you noticed it is not the Christians who accuse the (un)Christians?  The accusing comes from those who fear?
I think anyone's relationship with Christ is personal and for someone to attack this relationship is quite unmannered because having a personal relationship within is a sign of evolvement and development within the cosmos. To be frank.

I enjoyed your writings on Creation. The thousand pieces is quite dramatic but if we think of all our different thoughts during the day drifting out when we sleep in a random way without sequence it is is scenario.  Our thoughts still do this at sleep and indeed before Christ came our thoughts did this (btw. I do believe the Christ comes in every Zodiac age) however, now we have sequence and in the past the stage of evolution certain freedom of random growth was needed to become what we are today.

Yes, Edgar Cayce in his 'Life story of Jesus' did say Mary and Jesus are twin-souls, for this I can believe.  He does say They also are Adam and Eve.  The Atlantis book i have says Jesus Arbal and twin soul Arbel are brother and sister to Osiris and Isis and they are the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve.  Interesting.

I wouldn't mind reading R. McKnights book from what I have heard you say on her work it does sound 'connected'.

I like your tag!  This is just it our energy vibration pattern wrapped up in those numbers.  I see your Moon is in Aries - lol mine too.  My signature then would be: 01/28/66 harare zimbabwe no 6 life path.  lol.
Yo Aries what a sign! Sun Leo, Mercury Cancer retro, Venus Virgo, Mars Capricorn retro, Jupiter Pisces retro, Saturn Sag retro, Uranus Sat retro, Neptune Capricorn retro, Pluto Scorpio, North Node Aries retro.

Nice line up. Lots of retrogrades; meaning pause and reflect - very profound.  Scorpio in Pluto is intensively psychic.  Capricorn in Mars is a strong placement. Cancer in Mercury suggests a caring nature and also at home within oneself. Virgo in Venus is beautiful.  Pisces in Jupiter is profound.  Sag in Saturn is also strong showing the height. Sag in Uranus suggesting creativity.  Cap in Neptune shows discipline.   North node Aries - interesting, moving towards the start?

Well a general summary from my side!  Cos' have to look at the houses and aspects.

Cheers.

PS:  CHUMLEY come on give us your birthdate and we can interpretate you - come on I dare you!
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Naw. Even if I believed in it, why would I want to know my
future? Especially if I found out I was going to get cancer, or
go blind or something. What if there's stuff in my future, that
I can't do anything to stop, and is going to REALLY suck? What
if you told me I was going to be POOR forever, for example?
Some things, I DON'T want to know about. Thanks for the
offer though...

B-man

Ah sorry Recoverer i didn't see your post above - and here im rattling on about my chart when we have more important things to discuss.  Saying this I am going to have to read up again 'the evolution of the nations' so as to try put forward a clearer understanding on this than from my memory on that work.  I'm a bit Cayced out at the moment - but will reply as best as i can asap.

It is good to keep in mind all of Steiner's work is taken from a spiritual point of view - geography is also a spiritual condition.

Let me rather get the correct version of the work though.

I would like to add my plea to the others to Don to stay.
I desperately need your scholarly input, just so that I can know
what I am talking about when I write. I can't keep up, and am so
afraid that I am going to miss or lose some of your posts.
This has little to do with agreeing or not agreeing with some
particular religious belief. This is about knowing what is actually
there, to be looked at and talked about.

When I first came to this forum years ago, I was full of antagonism
about certain beliefs. But there is a maturing process by which I
eventually was able to ride above all this, and take these in
stride. Now I simply accept the huge range of sometimes angry noise
as part of the expectable overall scene, a scene that is there all
over the place everywhere you go. (I especially object to the
political nonsense from people who have forgotten 911, and not
absorbed it into their reality, and seem to blame Bush for the
existence of Al Quada.) I try to find my way through it all to the
scraps of knowledge or understanding that I need in order to put a
meaningful paradigm together.

It is part of this learning process to learn to mentally dismiss or
at least pass by some things that are obviously not enlightened,
because there is not time to deal with it all. I now understand
that this is just going to be there, and I try to select what I
will take the time to deal with. I have found it is sometimes not
necessary to defend every point of belief or to knock down
everything you disapprove of.

Thanks for the reply Albert, hope work's going well.

Don, I agree with Boris. I hope you find the time to write to us Don - we are very fortunate to have you here and sorely miss not seeing your name recently.