Rob_Roy wrote on Jan 29th, 2007 at 8:26pm:augoeideian,
Without questioning the integrity of Herr Steiner, I will say that interpreting things seen in five dimensions for others who live in four is problematic in the extreme. Having said that, I have yet to hear anything that validates the above from the numerous Afterlife explorers who, these days, are more numerous and accessible than in Steiner's day. Nothing in my experience validates this, either.
Forgive me, but if we allow ourselves to be easily taken in by people of his era who were intelligent and charismatic, then we shouldn't look down upon "Satanists" (Alistair Crowley) and Neo-Nazis. While I'm sure you aren't a Nazi or a "Satanist", and neither was Steiner, there is little difference between Steiner, Crowley, and Hitler from a belief system standpoint. This is because being convinced by someone who was intelligent and well spoken is not the same as knowing yourself from direct personal experience. This applies when we read the works of ALL the philosophers, mystics, and prophets of all the world's belief systems, whatever their intentions. This is why TMI invites all to come and see for themselves, because believing and knowing are not the same.
I think there is ample evidence from the accounts of Afterlife explorers, hypno-therapists, and others to say that what Herr Steiner said above is decidedly untrue.
I apologize if what I wrote hurt or offended you. Also, I'm not saying that everything Herr Steiner said is false. And he was, at the very least, a very interesting individual who 'stirred the pot' among the people of his day, a pot that desperately needed stirring, and for that we all owe him a debt of gratitude.
Love,
Rob
Hi Rob and all,
I do agree with your general message, and i always keep in mind that those like Steiner, Cayce, Moen, Monroe, McKnight, Swedenborg, etc, are all messengers but who still have/had ego and filters while in the body and relaying info. Until someone remembers, and fully becomes and aligns to Source consciousness again, there will be errors, misinterpretations, and occasional (if only slight in some respects) skewing of info. Such a person fully aligned to Source would have a pure White Light filled aura (like Yeshua), and none of those people i just mentioned fit that criteria. Perhaps the saying, "a grain of salt" applies to some extent?
At the same time, we should also question ourselves and our belief systems and perceptions, not just other messengers.
If you really think about it, take Monroe's or Moen's info for a moment, and their philosophy which is similar to yours stated in the above, e.g. look for your own experiences, etc. While they may say and believe this, if you really think about it, a good chunk of their info actually comes from other entities (usually nonphysical guide types) telling them something about either the nonphysical or physical, and them passing it along to us. You could take the above philosophy to the extreme and then say, well who's to say these guides have a clue, or are accurate on things, why should we believe them since we're not actually knowing by direct experience but rather through communication...
But if we became that stringent in our criteria of so called "direct knowing", then most of us, would have very little to talk about! Even Monroe and Moen, whom have had a fair share of nonphysical experiences, etc.
It's a fine balance, and involves a lot of feeling of other's info, and the energy levels that they are operating from when giving that info.
Anyways, back to Steiner, while i don't 100% completely agree with Steiner's specific info on this subject, or Augo's interpretation(s) of same, i do believe that Steiner was definitely on to something in his perceptions and shouldn't be so lightly dismissed.
Back up for this, comes from a seemingly unconnected source to Steiner, and actually stems from TMI in a sense.
How ironic eh.
In Cosmic Journey's written by Rosiland McKnight, her guides (whom i sense to be on a very intune and Source realized "level" for lack of a better term), talk about Love energy and the deep importance of same on page 224.
They then talk about Jesus, calling him the great love guardian of our planet, and saying that he came from the highest God energy to teach love. They essentially say that it was the immensity, depth, intensity, and pureness of his love energy which caused him to be crucified, which in turn polarized the collective fear energies of the Earth.
They say that his spirit was released into the world to transform all fear and all fear barriers, and that this is known as the Holy Spirit, and that this event, this being/spirit has greatly facilitated the Earth's evolution, and has been the driving force leading the Earth and its inhabitants towards the thousand years of peace and eventual spiritual intuneness amongst the masses/collective.
So, in some respects, it seems that Steiner and Rosie's guides are saying a similar thing, though i definitely disagree with the whole
Quote:or when they died their spirits were divided into a thousand pieces (literally) - for there was no guided path or midnight sun to light the way home. At sleep people spent the entire time in the spirit world finding their fragments of spirit before they woke up, quite exhusting and terrifying I believe....
To me, this
if taken literally, does not make complete sense. Yet, the fact that we are temporarily fragmented, is true enough. Allegorically, it definitely could make sense. If we follow Yeshua's pattern, who was up till then the only one to fully achieve pure Source consciousness while still in physical, then we like him will become Whole again.
From another source, the Cayce readings, his guides strongly and consistently assert that Yeshua and this Total self, is
the pattern of spiritual evolution in the Earth, the only perfect pattern and the best to follow whatever one's background (this source spoke very highly of other teachers like the Buddha, but said that even these were but stepping stones to the knowledge of the Son in their life). This source also indicates that Yeshua before the physical Earth was even manifested, was the first to achieve Oneness with Source (sounds a lot like Bruce's info about the first returned Spark and the Planning Intelligence, no?), and that his entrance in the Earth was a voluntary Retrieval mission, and then he also became the first within the Earth to again achieve spiritual perfection and who as Yeshua completely converted his physical matter into pure Light energy. In doing so, he became the pattern for all humans, and whether they believe in him or not, he still helps them. Cayce's source indicated that this Soul is the advocate of the Father aspect of Spirit and is always in direct and conscious communion with our Higher/Total selves, and with collective Spirit.
There is much depth of mystery to this Jesus character and to what he means to Earth and to our Souls in general. However, as he said himself, all power comes from what he called the Father (many seem to prefer Source), and all praise should be given to same. Not even to him who is the pure representative and messenger of same, to whom other Masters and the Arch Angels bow in both respect and love. You could say that this Spirit is the Guide of all guides, the main director so to speak.
Miriam his mother btw, was said by this source, to be Yeshua's "Twin Soul", meaning that they were originally of the same Disk/I there/Total Self before becoming involved with the duality based Earth system. All of our immediate Disk's split into two main ones (we also have more than 2, 8 total in relation to the ELS, which in turn are connected to 8 major dimensions connected to the ELS), when we became entangled in with the ELS. So Mary and Jesus, were/are basically the same Soul Entity, though yet individual and unique. This closeness, and powerful innate unity/Oneness between them, is according to Cayce's guides, the main reason other than their mutual deep spiritual developement (being Twin Souls they were on a very similar level or rate of vibration), for her being able to conceive Yeshua in the unusual manner that she did.
While i deeply love and respect Yeshua, and what he means to all of us, i kind of feel that many of the threads started lately, should probably go to the off topic section out of courtesy to the many varied belief systems here. While i sometimes become too attached to the personhood of Yeshua myself, i believe he is not to be worshipped, no one aspect of Spirit should be, but rather always emphasis on the Universal, this is the Christ pattern within us all, Oneness and the Universal application and knowingness of this objective and eternal truth. If we concentrate unduly on him and especially his personality and life as a man, then this can only but limit us. My feeling or hunch is that he wants us to be aware of his pattern and example (for there is no higher or more intune in the Earth), to learn from same (if we are at all attracted to and open to it), but to concentrate on living it ourselves and to focus more on Source and attuning to that within ourselves.
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