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Sergey
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Jan 13th, 2007 at 7:37pm
 
Dear Afterlife conversation members,
Has any of you received some answers to the following either from reading spiritual literature/NDE accounts or from your own explorations:

- In this earth life system, there is food chain. Smarter and stronger life forms feed on less smart or weaker. Did you receive any guidance concerning suffering to other beings that we as humans cause to other life forms and what should we do about it, given that we can choose (and animals presumably can't)?

- Does karma mean that a heavy meat eater will reincarnate (or his/her higher self will choose so) into an environment where he/she is mistreated and then killed for food by other life forms? What about a plant-eater? Has anyone tried talking to plants before harming them?

- Are there worlds where humans are not on top of the food chain, but are specially grown to be eaten afterwards? Can such a world be a consequence of our actions here?

- If we have a life review where we experience our actions from the point of view of other beings, are we going to feel the pain of an animal that was killed for our sake? Will we know what a fish feels when it's taken out of the water?

- Do animals have souls, and what happens between our souls and those of animals when one being is sent to afterlife by being consumed by another?

- Has anyone become a vegetarian as a result of an NDE or some profound spiritual experience?

- Can an animal have an NDE and be transformed by it (for example, become less carnivorous)?

- Why are most NDEs concerned with what people do to each other than what they do to the rest of Life around them? Can spiritual world offer some practical solutions to curbing our eating habbits, consumerism, etc.? Do well-known (or not so well known mediums) tell us something about these things?

- Is afterlife based on free exchange of energy - sort of like everyone eats a bit of everyone else, but no real death or suffering happens... Or are there afterlife realms where being eaten produces as much suffering as here?

- Has anyone of you experimented with breatherianism (or fruitarianism/vegan)? Does it affect the ability to perceive afterlife better?

- Do some spirits feed of energies that humans radiate? And if only 'evil' spirits do that, what do angels feed of? Or do they consume our positive radiation, while the 'evil' ones consume our negative radiation?

- If God exists, what does He/It consume? Everything?
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Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 10:27pm
 
Wow..lots of thoughts there!

Occupying a human body has certain..drawbacks that remaining in the astral does not.  One of them being the need to consume food for energy.

I don't know if animals have the same awareness that we do..there's a thought nagging at the back of my mind that they chose to make that sacrifice for the good of others..might have read that somewhere.

I don't consume any beef or pork and very little other kinds of meats..but I've wondered about fish often..if they feel as we would being held underwater.
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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 11:40pm
 
Greetings Sergey,

You certainly have 'alot on your plate' ! (1990's slang, lol). What a sweet soul you must have to carry these concerns.

I've read that your type of questions about humans as the top of the food chain are the basis for our need for God.Through your questions we see life in its more universal terms, and a belief in a beneficent God allows us to ease our guilt. That makes our belief sound self-serving, doesn't it, but I believe God is too grand to be belittle by such a problem.

A beneficent God has ways of rewarding all life, not just the most omnivorous predators (us). 
The 'sport' of fishing must be one of the last opportunities most of us have to meet our prey face to face. Telling our catch that we appreciate its sacrifice might shorten its suffering and keep life in order and grace.
Native Americans and others give thanks before and after the kill. They give thanks to the spirit of the animal who allows itself to be taken in the hunt, and also to the Great Spirit who has set up such a system. 
Giving thanks for what we get seems to be the best we can do, I believe. Expressions of gratitude and appreciation rank very high in other religions where believers often give flowers, fruit, music etc to their God in appreciation of such beneficence.
Reading your post has inspired me to be more appreciative to God. 

Many thanks for the reminder, Sergey.
Pure love is unconditional.

PUL
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Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2007 at 12:37am
 
It is inaccurate to assume that anybody who eats meat is a blood thirsty killer.   Wink When hungry for something meaty, I tend to take preference to Chicken and other birds as well as tuna and never take any of it for granted at all.  I like to add vegetables to the mix for a nicely balanced meal.  I've found that meat is not my favorite food of all;  Pastas are more along the line of my favorites but they go good with chicken too.  Grin Interestingly, Bruce suggested eating raw hotdogs if one is feeling very "floaty" and unphysical.   Grin

Now, on the subject of Karma, one 'ought to distinguish "lesson" from the "a desire for revenge".  In some cases, it seems that someone is just using the word to disguise something like a personal vendetta but not always.

In the end, have a very good feeling that one may leave the ELS at anytime they wish.  Now, before I continue typing, I feel like exploring some more.   Smiley

Quote:
- Is afterlife based on free exchange of energy - sort of like everyone eats a bit of everyone else, but no real death or suffering happens... Or are there afterlife realms where being eaten produces as much suffering as here?

Now that is quite an idea...

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Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2007 at 9:31am
 
Hi Sergey  In the spirit world there is a hall of animal spirits, that have passed to spirit and this is for domesticated animals and then there is a wildlife place there, which is for the wild animals that have passed over to spirit,whatever theses animals be it domesticated or wild and whatever they suffered or did not suffer,when they pass to spirit they never suffer anymore,just like us whatever life we had on the earth plain we do not suffer anymore in the spirit world as there is nothing but pure unconditional love,suffering does not exist there.

I myself never have brought lamb as i do not beleive in the slaughter of lambs,but i admit i eat beef,and try not to think that a cow was slaughtered for that,but i am mostly for vegatables and fruit and salads.

The animals have there own food chain were they kill each other to survive and i hate to see a lion bring an  animal down for such as this,but then i think he is doing this to survive and all animals have there own food chain and so do we ,we eat to survive.

The only sad thing in one way about it all is that humans have a lot to live up to where animals are concerned as animals kill for survival and some humans kill animals just for glory or fun,which is not on and also everytime i buy any meat i always hope that what animal it came from did not suffer in anyway,and i never buy caged birds eggs only fresh lay eggs because i know then that those chickens were running around free and i dont feel sad when i eat them.

Love and God bless      Love Juditha
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