Hi Doc-
I'm reminded of Emerson, "See the universe in a drop of dew..." While we rarely look farther in our everyday experiences, in absolute fact, the location of the most distant galaxies of the cosmos are reflected in every dewdrop.  To obtain all that information in an instant is not only possible, but it seems inevitable, since it presents to us. Moreover, when treated as a "feeling experience", and not as a complicated and highly abstracted thinking process, it makes sense that one would discover it all in a single instant.

We than can spend the next millennia trying to figure it out and put it into words. That's where we begin to notice time passing...

d

If you think about it, in Storm's NDE, he was in a hellish realm, chased and torn apart by uncaring former people (like himself at the time), until he was given the instructions to ask for help/pray.  He mumbled something akin to a hodge podge of a prayer, including silliness like parts of The American pledge ("our father who art in heaven, yea though I walk through the valley of death, one land indivisible, with liberty....").  The hellish people howled, and recoiled from him, and at that point JC came to save him.

People worry about being in a hell for all eternity, and yet, this all occured during a short space of earth time, when Storm had his NDE (?minutes).  In fact he had so much time, he asked in depth questions of angels/God such as about topics of nuclear war, the validity of the bible, life on other planets, etc.  This and an entire life review!

I initiated this thread because other astral adepts like Swedenborg report having "spoken to angels" for literally hours on this or that subject!  So it seems that the experiences while in the hypnagougic state or in a NDE both have a remarkable ability to transmit vast amounts of information and events/conversations with relatively little time elapsing on the earth plane. 

However other, more earthbound spirits seem to have more "earth like" communication methods, such as the suicide Don mentioned who followed his father around shouting "Pa!"



M

Hi Guys-
Interestingly, I'm inclined to agree with everyone, although with a couple side thoughts. Doc and I seem to have an ongoing disagreement about the nature of time in the "Spirit World", but this might be a very good resolution to the dichotomy.

I recall many years ago, when 40 years younger and far and away more foolish than the last gentleman I flamed, I imbibed a vast quantity (many times more than the directions said to not take more than) of a local cough and cold remedy (no longer on the market - for reasons that will soon be obvious) and I found myself being translated into a universe of chill and mechanical logic. As I recall, the central edifice of this place looked rather like the old Montgomery Wards Building in Chicago, into which were fed zillions of railroad tracks. I was being whisked along one of them. I next discovered that I was being called to task for a number of moral errors of my earlier life - no problem finding plenty of grist for the Cosmic Mill in that regard! 

One of the issues was payment of half the cost of my latest girl friend's abortion. This happened to be on my mind because the day after I had agreed, a billboard went up directly across the street from my residence showing a fetus in a bottle, and the caption, "ABORTION IS MURDER". So here in this "wherever" I was stuffed into a womb, then aspirated by a D&C, bottled, then dumped into a trash compactor, compacted, discarded, turned into landfill. I might have been incinerated along the way as well, but I forget some of the details. And as I began to rot it occurred to me that this might be a message that I possibly had screwed up somehow. So, knowing no better option, I simply said, "OK, God, I messed up, so please fix me." Instantly I was transported out of the garbage dump and into a sort of nurturant "limbo" (no better word comes to mind), where I sensed a lot of things being reprogrammed, and after having much of my psyche rebuilt, I began to recover my everyday awareness.

The "traveller time", or "proper time" in physics terms, would probably have been days, certainly hours. But all of this went down in a matter of just a few seconds longer than it took to pray for repair work. I think my pipe (I was also smoking something at the time) was still lighted.

This was neither timeless, nor an instantaneous translation to distant realms, but it was played out as a tremendously complicated series of impressions. Like C-A mentioned, the time to write it out in detail greatly exceeded the moment in which it all descended on me. Infact, I couldn't do it. I recall actually drawing the scene in an efort to get in all the parts, but it was impossible - just too much information to code and reproduce, although it was all there in the same initial instant.

This is one of those things that seems sufficiently consistent that I have confidence that it is very probably a universal experience. I can also see why someone might interpret it as timelessness, but I still balk at that. 

d

Maybe our physical brains can only process at a certain limited level while our "minds" don't have the same limitations but can be and think in different places at once.  Like Emerson's dew drop thing that Dave mentioned.  A similar but not transforming experience what when I was 12 or 13 and capsized in a boat and thought I was going to drown - it seemed like my a good portion of my life flashed through my mind but my brain only picked up fragments of it.  The experience was only a minute or so.

Rob

slow molasses catches more honey bees than swift water!

She's beautiful---and i would love to meet this angel during my travels.  When I do, I will surely let you know.  Love and Light-- Carol Ann

Spooky wrote:

"There is a visual scene, and at the same time I have knowings of some parts of this scene, far beyond the visual aspects of these items, and this knowing leads to other scenes and knowings so that a whole network is appearing; I then "see" the network, but as a sort of background, depending on what place in the network I have my focus on."

I have experienced this before Spooky. I have visualized a scene and have felt in knowing the background/detail/meaning/etc. of that particular scene in a very familiar and personal way; sometimes leading to other scenes with a similar end result. Sometimes it can become a very involved knowing just from a single brief flash of a particular scene. This may be in direct correlation to the NDEs people describe wherein they experience seeing their entire life flashing before their eyes, and reliving every moment as if they were truly there again.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions