The Christian faith is based on the belief that the Bible is indeed the word of god. If the Bible cannot be shown to be inspired, then the Christian faith could be said to be false and no more than a farce. If the Bible cannot be shown to be inspired, then Christianity can be said to be the same as any other religion that has been devised and practiced by man.

The Bible story of Jesus is a contradictory and confusing account. The Bible shows that this Jesus fellow spoke and taught many absurd and foolish things, and often believed he was having a conversation with devils. If one will read the entire Bible, one will find tales of ignorance, murder, sexual perversions, mass insanity, idiotic laws, and even cannibalism and human sacrifice. It staggers the imagination how anyone in his right mind could read the Bible and believe that it was written by a wise, just, and loving god. Christians have found biblical scriptures telling them to burn people at the stake, to justify slavery, to oppress and persecute others, and to kill and commit war in the name of their god. Unfortunately, there are some even today who would have us return to the teachings and laws found in the Bible.

We are taught in our culture that Jesus is the divine hero, but other cultures have different saviors. Religious beliefs are a function of the culture in which one lives. If we had been reared in a different culture, we would have heard the story of a different savior, instead of the Jesus story. Upon comparing the stories of the different saviors, one finds that the similarities are so striking, it is beyond a doubt that they are more than just a coincidence.
Now, let's take a look at the facts.
Jesus is called the lamb of god that takes away the sins of the world. Talk about an old concept.  Vitually all the ancient religions in the world had a lamb of god that takes away the sins of the world. The buddists today, an ancient priesthood far in access to christianity,  have a religions leader called the Dali Lama...whos names translates to god's lamb. 
Some examples of past religious leaders such as jesus being represented with a lamb, dating far before chrisitianity,
as depicted by ancient statues and artifacts include the ancient turkish god and the lamb, the ancient greek god and the lamb, and the ancient roman god and the lamb.  (Sorry I have left the photographs out)

Amen Ra is the egytian god who represented the sun. He had an adversary, named Set.  Sound familiar, such as Jesus and his adversary Satan?  The resemblances between Jesus and Ra, and all of the other saviors of mankind, are just too many. Let's compare these famous "sons of god."  Well compare Jesus,  Horus of egypt, Chrishna of Entia, and Buddha of the Orient.  Just keep in mind that Horus, Chrishna, and Buddha were created far before the story of Jesus was.

***Horus was baptised by water by anup:::Jesus baptised by water by John
***Annab the baptiser:::John the baptist
***Horus born in Annu, the place of bread:::Jesus born in Bethlehem, the house of bread
***Horus the good shepherd with the crook upon his shoulders:::Jesus the good shepherd the with lamb or kid upon his shoulders
***The seven on board the bark with Horus:::The seven fishers on board the bark with Jesus
***Horus as the lamb::: Jesus as the lamb
***Horus as the lion::: Jesus as the lion
***Horus as the black child:::Jesus as the little black bambino
***Horus identified with the tat or cross:::Jesus identified with the cross
***Horus 30 yrs old at his baptism:::Jesus 30 yrs old at his baptism
***Horus the krst:::Jesus the christ
***Horus the manifesting son of god::: Jesus the manifesting son of god
***Two mothers of child Horus who were sisters:::Two mothers of child Jesus who were sisters
***Horus the sower and Set the destroyer in the harvest field:::Jesus the sower of the good seed and satan the sower of tares
***Set and Horus contending on the mount::: Jesus and satan contending on the mount
***The star, as announcer of the child Horus:::The star in the east that indicated the birthplace of Jesus
***Horus the afflicted one:::Jesus the afflicted one
***Horus as the type of life eternal:::Jesus as the type of eternal life
***Horus who comes to fulfill the law::: Jesus who comes to fulfill the law
***Horus who came by the blood, the water, and the spirit::: Jesus who came by the blood, the water, and the spirit
***Horus of the two horizons::: Jesus of the two lands
***Horus walking on the water::: Jesus walking on the water
***Horus entering the mount at sunset to hold conversation with his father::: Jesus entering the mount at sunset to hold conversation with his father
***12 followers of Horus as har-khutti:::12 followers of Jesus as the 12 disciples
***The secret of the mysteries revealed by taht-aan:::The secret of the mysteries made known by john
***Anup and Aan the two witnesses for Horus::: John and John as witnesses for Jesus
***Horus the morning star:::Jesus the morning star

***Buddha was born of the virgin Maya who concieved him without intercourse::: Jesus was born of the virgin Mary who concieved him without intercourse
***The incarnation of Buddha was brought about by the desent of the divine power called the holy ghost, upon the virgin Maya::: The incarnation of Jesus was brought about by the desent of the divine power called the holy ghost, upon the virgin Mary 
***Buddha was visited by wise men who recognized in this marvelous infant all the characcters of the divinity::: Jesus was visited by wise men who recognized in this marvelous infant all the characcters of the divinity
***When Buddha was an infant, he spoke to his mother and said, i am the greatest among men::: When Jesus was an infant, he spoke to his mother and said, i am Jesus, the son of god
***When Buddha died and was buried, the coverings of the body unrolled themselves and the lid of his coffin was opened:::When Jesus died and was buried, the coverings of the body unrolled themselves and his tomb was opened
***Buddha ascended bodily to the celestial regions, when his mission on earth was fullfilled:::Jesus ascended bodily to the celestial regions, when his mission on earth was fullfilled
***Buddha is alpha and omega, without beginning or end, the supreme being, the eternal one:::Jesus is alpha and omega, without beginning or end, the supreme being, the eternal one
***Buddha is to come upon the earth again in the latter days, his mission being to restore the world order and happiness:::Jesus is to come upon the earth again in the latter days, his mission being to restore the world order and happiness


***Crishna was born of a chaste virgin:::Jesus was born of a chaste virgin
***The moment Chrishna was born, the whole cave was splendidly illuminated::: The moment Jesus was born, there was a great light in the cave
***Chrishna was adored by cowherds who prostrated themselves before the heaven-born child:::Jesus was adored by shepherds who prostrated themselves before the heaven-born child
***Chrishna was born when Nanda, his foster father, was away from home, having come to the city to pay his tax or tribute to the king::: Jesus was born when joseph, his foster father, was away from home, having come to the city to pay his tax or tribute to the governor
***Chrishna's father was warned by a 'heavenly voice" to fly with the child to gacool, across the river jumna, as the reigning monarch sought his life::: Jesus' father was warned in a dream to take the young child and his mother, and flee into egypt, as the reigning monarch sought his life
***The ruler of the country in which Chrishna was born ordered the massacre of all the children of the male sex born during the night of the birth of Chrishna::: The ruler of the country in which Jesus was born ordered all children in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, to be slain
***One of Chrishna's first miracles was the curing of a leper::: One of Jesus'  first miracles was the curing of a leper
***Chrishna was crucified, represented with arms extended hanging on a cross, Jesus was crucified, represented with arms extended hanging on a cross
***Chrishna after being put to death, rose from the dead::: Jesus after being put to death, rose from the dead
***Chrishna, although born in a state the most abject and humiliating, was of royal descent::: Jesus although born in a state the most abject and humiliating, was of royal descent

Is this a coincidence? There is a lot of similarity and syncronicity going on for it to just be a coincidence.

Lets go back 10 thousand years before Jesus and look at the 16 other men who claimed to be the son of god, who were born of a virgin mother, whose mother had the name of Mary, or a dirivative of the word Mary, who were in the temple teaching/scoulding their elders by the age of 12, whose ruler of land tried to put them to death,  who were asked by someone greater than they to move from the land they were born in, who began their ministry at the age of 30, and ended it at 33, and were killed on the cross.  These events happend in 16 different events prior to jesus.  Here is a list of these men who led the same exact lives:
Chrishna of India, 1200 BC
Hindoo Sakia 600 BC
Thammuz  of Seria 1160 BC
Wittoba 552 BC
Iao of Napal 422 BC
Hesus 834 BC
Quexalcote of Mexico 587 BC
Quirinus of Rome 506 BC
Prometheus 547 BC
Thulis of Egypt 1700 BC
Indra of Tibet 725 BC
Alcestos 600 BC
Atys 1170 BC
Crite of Caldia 1200 BC
Bali 725 BC
Mithra of Persia 600 BC

Time and time again, we have to look at these simliarities. You can look up any of these men up, and will find their lives are full of syncronicity and similarity.  We're not dealing with myth, belief systems, or faith.  We're dealing with facts, historical data. It is there, you cannot set it aside.  Jesus had the same life, and did the same things, as Chrishna, Buddha, and the above 16 other men.

So this leads to the question... who have we been worshiping? Or what?
What or who have we been living for?
And most importantly, what or who has man been killing man for?
Remember, religion has killed more human beings than any other force on earth.

The answer gets plane and obvious upon taking a close look at the new testament.

I'm going to make a statement that many people in denial will not want to hear, but i will prove the point soon enough.  The bible is nothing more than a retelling of the most ancient story ever told, which is why the bible is called the greatest story ever told.  This story is the story of the zodiac. Astrology. The bible is nothing more than the greatest astrological story ever told. It is pure astrology, based on the zodiac. It is astrotheology, the worsihp of the gods heaven.

In ancient times the air was divided into 12 equal parts, just as it is today by the 12 months. Each part is called a zodiac, or a house. The sun travels through each house of the zodiac, which is why the son of god had 12 helpers in the Egyptian myth, and 12 disciples in the Christian myth.  The zodiac is then broken into 4 equal parts, forming the shape of a cross.(hmm where have i seen this before?)

In the book of John in the New Testiment 14*2 , Jesus said... "in my fathers house there are many masions."  This was not correctly translated, as were many other scriptures in the king james. This translation makes no sense.  It is actually, "in my fathers abode, there are many dwelling places."  Well of course, there are 12 houses(dwelling places) in the heavens that we know of, which are in "my fathers abode."

In Jobe, chapter 38*31, god says to Jobe.... "canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? 
Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season?"  What are we talking about here?  Pleiades and Orion are two astrological symbols of the zodiac.  But wait.. I thought astrology is the devil?  It's that "new age" stuff?  Yet it is right here, in the bible.  From the King James bible, the word mazzaroth means the 12 signs of the zodiac. Therefore god is saying, "can thou bring forth the zodiac in his season?"  Were talking astrology here.

Lets take a look at the "end times" of the bible.  From Mathew 14*17, Jesus fed his followers two fishes.  These two fishes are the symbol of pisces.  Therefore gods son, that comes up in the morning, feeds his people of two fishes.  This is why fish are such a symbolic theme of chrisitanity. You will find this symbol on mostly all churches.  The "birth of Jesus" was the begining of the age of pisces, and Rome ruled the world for 2 thousand years under the age of pisces, and of course we all know Rome is where chiristianity was born.  When gods son leaves the age of pisces, he goes into the age of aquarious. This age is symoblized by the man with the water pitcher.  From Luke 22*10,  when Jesus is asked where he will begin his new kingdom, he says, "when ye are entered into the city, there shall be a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water, follow him into the house where he entereth in."  A man with a pitcher of water? OHHH you mean aqurarious? Symbolized by the man holding a pitcher of water.  Gotcha.

Mathew 28*20.. and surely i am with you always, until the very end of the age
Mathew 12*32.. the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come
Mathew 13*39.. the harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are the angels. as the weeds are pulled up and burned in the first, so it will be at the end of the age
Yes, the end of the age.  That is what were talking about here.  The end of the pisces age. The last days, of the pisces age.

Mark 10*29.. and in the age to come, eternal life
Luke 18*30.. the kingdom of god will fail to receieve many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life.
Corithians 6.. we speak a message of the wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age.
Revalations 15*3.. god almighty, king of the ages.
What were talking about here is ages.  The old age of pisces, and what were looking forward to is the kingdom to come, his will to be done on earth, and that kingdom is the kingdom of the man with the pitcher of water(luke22*10), the new age of aquarious.  when you hear Christians talking about the end of days, the end times, what it really means is the end of the age of pisces, and the begining of the age of aquarious.

So where does Jesus, Chrishna, Horus, or any of the other 16 "saviors" fit into this? They represent the sun, the sun in the sky that comes up every morning and sets every evening(hmm perhaps that is why Amen Ra's enemy was Set).  The ancient Egyptians believed that as long as the sun came up every day, there would always be life on earth. Therefore the sun represented eternal life. so quite logically, all religions feeature the sun as its principle and most important feature.  Or as the religions say, the "son" of god. 

The Egyptians saw that on their sun dials, in winter(winter represented the coldness of death) as the dial moved south,  it reached a point in its movement at the time of sunset, and did not move further for 3 days.  Therefore the ancients said the sun of god dies for three days.  It was said that the son of god dies for 3 days, and is ressurected after those 3 days, once the sun begins its anual journey back to the northern hemisphere.  This anual date is December 25.  Therefore, it is said that the son of god is born on this date.  These ancients believed that the sun was everlasting life, for it supported life on earth. As long as the son had risen, there will always be light and life.  All earth life systems require the sun for life, use the suns energy, and therefore they said the sun was giving up its life for us.  Of course, not in the literal sense, but sure enough it was translated that way.  Do you ever wonder why the sun is in so many religious pictures, espeically those of Jesus?

In revalations 1*7, it says "behold he cometh with clouds, and every eye should see him."  Well of course. There is only one light of the world that every eye can see. The sun.
Jesus walked on water. Well have you ever seen the sunset on a body of water?  Seems like it is "walking" on it, doesn't it?
Jesus died with a crown of thorns. These thorns actually represent the sun's rays.
Christ will rise. Christ has risen. Christ will rise again.  We all hear that in church.  But how strange, isn't that what the sun does?

The sun orbits throughout all of the constilations.  When the sun enters a constilation, it enters it at the 30th degree.  When the sun leaves that constilation, it leaves at the 33rd degree.  This is just simple science.  But doesn't it sound familiar?  How about, god's son begins his ministry at 30 years old, and dies at 33? 

Lets discuss the cross.  Many crosses are displayed having a circle in the center. The circle is on the cross of the zodiac, and represents the sun, the sun that comes up every day.  Over the ages man referred to this as the sun of god, and then it became the son of god. 

The ancient cultures of the world started their calanders in virgo, which is symbolized by the virgin.  Therefore, they said the son of god was born of a virgin.  Which simply means, born in virgo. 

We are told by Chrisitianity that Astrology is evil, and of the devil.  Any institution of authority that does not want you to look at somthing, whether it be a set of facts, or a book, must have somthing to hide.  They know the intillectual mind of the human cannot grow if it is not allowed to look at all of the facts.  It is quite obvious here that they in fact did have somthing to hide.

I agree that you should believe in what feels true to you, and have faith in what you feel brings love and spirituality into your life.  I put together this article simply at the request of Berserk.

I am sure she did have an experience with Jesus.  Just as I could have just as easily had an experience with the Cat in the Hat if that is what I believed.  We all know our experiences can be distored by multiple factors while in the afterlife.  The point is, no experience can denounce the facts I have presented.

If those experiences have brought love, joy, and strength into your life, than I am happy for you.  Once I saw the television and movie character Borat while out of my body.  This was quite humorous.  However, it allowed me to see that what we beleive or think about is able to project and manifest in higher realms.  Upon examining the data I have presented, it is quite obvious what is going on.  But as long as it proves as a positive influence in your life, I am happy for you and wish you to keep having faith.

I believe there were probably some people through the ages that could have witnessed the crucifixion through remote veiwing.
Also at that period of time they did crucify people.
My enduring hope is that it will never happen again.


Here is something that happened to me years ago at church, though it has nothing to do with this thread. But seriously this happened!

I was leaving out of the church doors and a man ran up to me and said "You know why people in church are so against sex?"
I giggled and said "Why?"
He goes "They can't do it!"
I said what?
He said "I punished them, I took there parts away they can't do it!" He laughed!
Then he ran off.
I swear this happened
I walked away and said OK
Anyone know who that could of been? Because I wasn't sure he was from here.

Dude,

Not unexpectedly, you ducked my question.  but i will hold you to your claim that you can identify precise sources for your claims in texts from other religions.  You also pretend to know the religious and philosophical horizons of first century Palestine.  I will challenge you to document your claim from specific ancient texts.   Are you even familiar with the non-Christian first centiury sources about Jesus' life (Josephus, contemporary rabbinic Judaism, Roman historians, and Palestinian archaeology)?  If so, why don't you explain why their claims about Jesus can be discounted?  If not, you are providing yet another issue that proves that you pontificate on matters you know nothing about.  Which is it?  Please explain before I launch my point by point reply.

Don

Source: Jordan Maxwell

It is indeed noteworthy that the Egyptian sun god's name is Amen Ra and that in the Christian tradition, amen is said after prayer.  Moreover, it is also very apparent that the many common elements in the stories of various religions are perhaps a re-telling of one common story, that may have occurred in human history.  Possibly, the Jesus of Christianity was based on a real person that did exist, but not in the era of Christianity.  Of course, many things in today's religions have been convoluted, mistranslated, infused intentionally with elements of deception meant to distort the truth.  The truth, as it were does still exist in the religious texts, it is there, but admittedly most of it has been distorted.

From what I have seen of your non-christian sources, many of them are not even believe to be authentic.  For example, your man Josephus.  He describes 3 different jesus! What is that about?  His ownly document directly concerning Jesus is the Testimonium Flavianum. But it is said to be unauthentic, ever since the 17 century!  The testimonium declairs Jesus to be Christ, yet he did not even believe that Jesus was Christ!  Causing scholars to believe he did not even mention Jesus in the first place.  Many passages of his writings were in fact interpolations.  Josephus' account is too good to be true, too confessional to be impartial, too Christian to be Jewish.  Three passages show this:  "if it be lawful to call him a man … He was [the] Christ … for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him." These seem directly to address Christological debates of the early 4th century. Consequently, most secular historians, and even many Christian scholars, dismiss the Testimonium as an interpolation.  

To sum things up, this in an uncredible source. Ill get to other sources in future posts.

HOW CAN THE SAME PERSON EXIST ON EARTH 16 DIFFERENT TIMES, IN 16 DIFFERENT PLACES, THROUGHOUT AN EXTREMELY LARGE TIME SPAN.  WHAT MAKES THIS VERSION OF THE "SON OF GOD" REAL, AND NOT ALL OF THE OTHER ONES.  DO YOU THINK THEY DON'T CLAIM TO HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THEIR VERSON OF "JESUS" WAS REALLY ALIVE? YOU BET THEY DO.