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eggshellseas2

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Re: God or No God
Reply #30 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 7:12pm

I thought it part of your beliefs that a being strong enough could think another being into existance. So isn't it possible that a being possibly thought this place into existance? Maybe I was something that he made. Maybe he wants to keep what he made safe. Maybe he gives self will to what he creates, maybe he makes it possible that others can create.
Because I met someone he showed me things and he poured so much love on me its unimaginable. He speaks with me. And he convicts me of some things. Like, he hates it when I gamble and warns me not to, I know that it is not me that speaks because I want and love to gamble.
When my son was in the hospital there was so much love pouring on me and I was assured that he would be ok. I wasn't doing that.
Haven't you ever had your eyes enlightened? Haven't you ever been so filled with overwhelming joy? I tell you whom ever he is to me, I want to keep him around. I find that I love him. So maybe he is my creater. Maybe he is of others also.

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Re: God or No God
Reply #31 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 7:17pm

Blink, as long as these sewer mouths spout the New Age party line, you and your ilk remain deafenly silent. But when, after a long delay, a Christian confronts your New Age chronies with the blunt challenges that they derseve, then and only then you protest. I would not reply in this way at all, if you New Agers would occasionally insist that the board's guidelines be observed. Such protests are virtually absent from this board, with thankfully the odd exception.

Don

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Re: God or No God
Reply #32 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 7:26pm

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Michael is watching over someone and his name means "One who is like God"
Where ever you go when you pass this life, I don't think you'll enter inhis Kingdom unless you are his, I just don't think it. I believe the hearts of man can be read, I have seen what can happen if you mess around with one of His. And from what I remember he is male. Very male. So choose to do evil if you wish because you think there will be no accountability for it. And see if He will let you in. Oer you can just believe in aliens and see if they help out.
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If you are right, eggshellseas...
I DON'T WANT to enter "His" kingdom!!! I flat-out
refuse to "give my life to Him" (or anyone else for that
matter. I'm a free man NOT a slave!!!)
And unless your god is an INSANE MONSTER, he will
grant me annihilation, NOT get "His" rocks off by torturing
me forever..!
You say "God" is "male, very male." (Does "He" have a pecker
then..? And if so, what does "He" do with it?) Huh

Christian "Heaven." Who needs a "Hell" when you have that
big a s--thole to "look forward to?" Shee-eesh...
BTW... you're not one of those "Rapture" fruitcakes, are
you? (Otherwise, I'll assume you're basically O.K.!)

B-man

P.S. Aliens/UFOs (I am a skeptic about them, BTW) are at least
POSSIBLE, scientifically speaking.
The Christian god/angels? SUPERSTITION dreamed up by IGNORANT GOAT-HERDERS, my friend. Nothing more, and nothing else.
*Get the difference here???*
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Some have seen angels for many thousands of years, they've done art on them

Actually its huge and its flat on the top. Not like the men in this world.
Later! Have a good flight to hale-bop.
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Looks like a kinky piece of pre-historical porn to me.
(Like the "Venus of Willendorf" from 20,000 years ago
in Europe, or any number of voluptuous Hindu goddesses
seen carved on hundreds of temples throughout India...)
I'm a SKEPTIC about aliens, Eggy. I don't believe we have
been, or are being visited by them (interstellar space travel
being likely impossible... speed of light limit and all.)
But I DO believe that aliens are out there, somewhere. It
is a big universe. A SCIENTIFIC universe mind you... NOT A
MAGICAL ONE!!!
There is NO such thing as "magic" (except the on-stage, pull-
a-rabbit-out-of-a-hat kind.) Hence I can believe in aliens (as
Carl Sagan did... aliens being scientifically possible!) but NOT
"angels" or a "Zeus"-type, humanoid "God", which are MAGICAL
concepts...
Did I make myself clear now..?

B-man

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Re: God or No God
Reply #33 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 8:08pm

B-dawg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 7:26pm:

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Michael is watching over someone and his name means "One who is like God"
Where ever you go when you pass this life, I don't think you'll enter inhis Kingdom unless you are his, I just don't think it. I believe the hearts of man can be read, I have seen what can happen if you mess around with one of His. And from what I remember he is male. Very male. So choose to do evil if you wish because you think there will be no accountability for it. And see if He will let you in. Oer you can just believe in aliens and see if they help out.
*****************
If you are right, eggshellseas...
I DON'T WANT to enter "His" kingdom!!! I flat-out
refuse to "give my life to Him" (or anyone else for that
matter. I'm a free man NOT a slave!!!)
And unless your god is an INSANE MONSTER, he will
grant me annihilation, NOT get "His" rocks off by torturing
me forever..!
You say "God" is "male, very male." (Does "He" have a pecker
then..? And if so, what does "He" do with it?) Huh

Christian "Heaven." Who needs a "Hell" when you have that
big a s--thole to "look forward to?" Shee-eesh...
BTW... you're not one of those "Rapture" fruitcakes, are
you? (Otherwise, I'll assume you're basically O.K.!)

B-man

P.S. Aliens/UFOs (I am a skeptic about them, BTW) are at least
POSSIBLE, scientifically speaking.
The Christian god/angels? SUPERSTITION dreamed up by IGNORANT GOAT-HERDERS, my friend. Nothing more, and nothing else.
*Get the difference here???*

Some have seen angels for many thousands of years, they've done art on them

Actually its huge and its flat on the top. Not like the men in this world.
Later! Have a good flight to hale-bop.
******************
Looks like a kinky piece of pre-historical porn to me.
(Like the "Venus of Willendorf" from 20,000 years ago
in Europe, or any number of voluptuous Hindu goddesses
seen carved on hundreds of temples throughout India...)
I'm a SKEPTIC about aliens, Eggy. I don't believe we have
been, or are being visited by them (interstellar space travel
being likely impossible... speed of light limit and all.)
But I DO believe that aliens are out there, somewhere. It
is a big universe. A SCIENTIFIC universe mind you... NOT A
MAGICAL ONE!!!
There is NO such thing as "magic" (except the on-stage, pull-
a-rabbit-out-of-a-hat kind.) Hence I can believe in aliens (as
Carl Sagan did... aliens being scientifically possible!) but NOT
"angels" or a "Zeus"-type, humanoid "God", which are MAGICAL
concepts...
Did I make myself clear now..?

B-man [/quote]
I never said you had to believe anything, I never said I was Christian as the same way others are christians. I never said that there will be a "hell" as you think hell. I think that he won't let those into his kingdom if they are that evil. Evil destroys. He destroys evil. I believe in him 'cause I know him Micheal, Shiva..whater name they've givin him.
I believe the pic I got up there was fro Mesopatamia or someplace like that.
I will hold firm to my beliefs because hes taken care of me. And givin me love.
So for me. I believe in God a creator.

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Re: God or No God
Reply #34 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 8:24pm

Berserk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 7:17pm:

Blink, as long as these sewer mouths spout the New Age party line, you and your ilk remain deafenly silent. But when, after a long delay, a Christian confronts your New Age chronies with the blunt challenges that they derseve, then and only then you protest. I would not reply in this way at all, if you New Agers would occasionally insist that the board's guidelines be observed. Such protests are virtually absent from this board, with thankfully the odd exception.

Don

Don,

I respect you, and all the others here on this thread. And I understand perfectly why you are here.

I will quote John 4 verse 16;
"God is love. If we keep on loving others, we will stay one in our hearts with God, and he will stay one with us."

Here is John 4 verse 20;
"But if we say we love God and don't love each other, we are liars."

I don't expect from you or any others here anything more than I expect from myself. Therefore, I don't judge you or any others here. I simply repeat, it is painful for me, and most assuredly painful for many many others who visit this board to see these kinds of outbursts.

We must ALL make a much stronger effort here to bring true wisdom and healing to this board. If not, we are responsible for the deaths of those who have been misled by all of our lies.

love, blink

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Re: God or No God
Reply #35 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 8:35pm

Berserk:
I do not feel it is accurate in reality to claim that Ra is my soulmate. Not once have I ever name-called, flipped out, or put anyone down in any way. Do not confuse my views on the subjects disscussed with my sensitivity towards the members of this board. If you were the mature and all knowing being that you claim to be, you would simply ignore the remarks of Ra and even the ones I make that you feel are so innapropriate, but instead you sling insults and putdowns right back. This brings you down on the same level as Ra(no offense Ra), and essentially makes you a hippocrit. Good Day!

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Re: God or No God
Reply #36 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 8:56pm

I Am Dude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 8:35pm:

Berserk:
I do not feel it is accurate in reality to claim that Ra is my soulmate. Not once have I ever name-called, flipped out, or put anyone down in any way. Do not confuse my views on the subjects disscussed with my sensitivity towards the members of this board. If you were the mature and all knowing being that you claim to be, you would simply ignore the remarks of Ra and even the ones I make that you feel are so innapropriate, but instead you sling insults and putdowns right back. This brings you down on the same level as Ra(no offense Ra), and essentially makes you a hippocrit. Good Day!

You do alright dude.

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Re: God or No God
Reply #37 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 9:12pm

Dude,no, you and Ra are the bobsy twins! I'd say your use of "barf," "retard," and "bull" is a pretty crude way of compensating for your disortions of Swedenborg and your unwillingness to actually read him. As you've no doubt noticed, the twins have thanked me for confronting your ridicule of them. So I'm calling you out! You pontificate about Satan and demons. So actually read a book that makes you somewhat qualified to be address a subject about which you are virtually illiterate.

By the way, your use of the Gateway tapes seems promsing, though I doubt you've actually had a genuine OBE yet (not even your forced K-Mart interpretation). I agree with Boris's critique. I've floated up near the ceiling, bounced off it, looked down on my sleeping body, tried to reconnect iwth it, expierienced my dream fingers being unable to attach to my physical fingers, peformed highly emotional retrievals, argued with spirit biengs that they are mere figments of my imagination, even poked them in the chest to get the feel of dream people. But none of these experiences were accompanied by the requisite verifications to be deemed more than lucid dreams. In such matters, we need the gift of discernment honed by an enhanced capacity for critical thinking. That discernment can only be achieved by a willingness to be fair to both sides of controversial questions. Read Martin as a first step towards that objective.

Don

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Reply #38 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 9:35pm

To be honest, I'm just glad to see Don posting again.... I have grown fond of you Don. I don't know why, but I have. I think the rant on this thread from Ra is raw and rude in choice of words and the spirit behind those words feels true... it just feels good to me. Somehow appropriate for this time-frame, in this culture. That's how it feels... to me.

I'm glad you're here Don. I've been waiting for your voice to show up here again.

You too Ra... I was waiting for your voice to come back here. I'm real glad you're back.

Fellow human beings that we are..... I consider it a gift to get to know you both a little through this medium of Bruce's forum. I'm glad you participate.

Love, Tim

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Reply #39 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 9:40pm

Rideculing satan, which I admit doing, is a totally different thing than rideculing a member of the board. This I have never done, and your reasons for calling me out are unreasonable, unless you are the spawn of satan and find my feelings towards him offensive. And don't say I have never read Swedenbutch, because I read that entire ten page post on him, which I assume is all of his most important findings, being as you created it. I have also read about him from other sources as well. The twins thanked you, and yet I did not ridicule them, i only explained to them why satan is hogwash. I have had quite a few genuine OBEs using the gateway experience, although 95% of the time I have OBEs not using gateway, in fact 95% of my obes occured before I even began using gateway. I am not using gateway to have OBEs, for the gateway experience has much farther reaching benefits than causing you to leave your body. You seem to think that just because there is no verification for the experience, that it is not genuine. Just because you can not come to terms with the fact that at least some of your experiences are not genuine does not give you the right to call other peoples experiences phoney. I am actually a bit baffelled by you saying that I have not had an OBE using gateway, when you can clearly see that I have by reading my experiences. And when you say i havent had one YET.. im assuming you mean during my time using the gateway experience, and you did not mean I have not ever had one, in my life. I have had so many OBEs that I cannot even begin to count them. I realise that you are still stuck in the world of religion, and Christianity is against Astral Projection and the Occult in general. But your beliefs in no way demise my experiences as real. I have had enough genuine OBEs and enough lucid dreams to realise the difference between the two. So please, I do not need you to question my experiences, I am well aware of what I am doing.

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Re: God or No God
Reply #40 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 10:28pm

eggshellseas2 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 8:08pm:

B-dawg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 7:26pm:

*****************
Michael is watching over someone and his name means "One who is like God"
Where ever you go when you pass this life, I don't think you'll enter inhis Kingdom unless you are his, I just don't think it. I believe the hearts of man can be read, I have seen what can happen if you mess around with one of His. And from what I remember he is male. Very male. So choose to do evil if you wish because you think there will be no accountability for it. And see if He will let you in. Oer you can just believe in aliens and see if they help out.
*****************
If you are right, eggshellseas...
I DON'T WANT to enter "His" kingdom!!! I flat-out
refuse to "give my life to Him" (or anyone else for that
matter. I'm a free man NOT a slave!!!)
And unless your god is an INSANE MONSTER, he will
grant me annihilation, NOT get "His" rocks off by torturing
me forever..!
You say "God" is "male, very male." (Does "He" have a pecker
then..? And if so, what does "He" do with it?) Huh

Christian "Heaven." Who needs a "Hell" when you have that
big a s--thole to "look forward to?" Shee-eesh...
BTW... you're not one of those "Rapture" fruitcakes, are
you? (Otherwise, I'll assume you're basically O.K.!)

B-man

P.S. Aliens/UFOs (I am a skeptic about them, BTW) are at least
POSSIBLE, scientifically speaking.
The Christian god/angels? SUPERSTITION dreamed up by IGNORANT GOAT-HERDERS, my friend. Nothing more, and nothing else.
*Get the difference here???*

Some have seen angels for many thousands of years, they've done art on them

Actually its huge and its flat on the top. Not like the men in this world.
Later! Have a good flight to hale-bop.
******************
Looks like a kinky piece of pre-historical porn to me.
(Like the "Venus of Willendorf" from 20,000 years ago
in Europe, or any number of voluptuous Hindu goddesses
seen carved on hundreds of temples throughout India...)
I'm a SKEPTIC about aliens, Eggy. I don't believe we have
been, or are being visited by them (interstellar space travel
being likely impossible... speed of light limit and all.)
But I DO believe that aliens are out there, somewhere. It
is a big universe. A SCIENTIFIC universe mind you... NOT A
MAGICAL ONE!!!
There is NO such thing as "magic" (except the on-stage, pull-
a-rabbit-out-of-a-hat kind.) Hence I can believe in aliens (as
Carl Sagan did... aliens being scientifically possible!) but NOT
"angels" or a "Zeus"-type, humanoid "God", which are MAGICAL
concepts...
Did I make myself clear now..?

B-man

I never said you had to believe anything, I never said I was Christian as the same way others are christians. I never said that there will be a "hell" as you think hell. I think that he won't let those into his kingdom if they are that evil. Evil destroys. He destroys evil. I believe in him 'cause I know him Micheal, Shiva..whater name they've givin him.
I believe the pic I got up there was fro Mesopatamia or someplace like that.
I will hold firm to my beliefs because hes taken care of me. And givin me love.
So for me. I believe in God a creator.
*****************
Although you "beat around the bush" a bit here, I deduce
that you're NOT here to preach the "Rapture", or other such
idiocy. GOOD for you, then! (For what it's worth...) -

B-man

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Re: God or No God
Reply #41 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 10:37pm

Dude, though I consider your tone in the posts in question to be vulgar personal attacks, I apprediciate your expressed abhorrence of demeaning insults. I am prepared to take new pictures. Demonstrate that you are morally house-broiken in future posts to me and you'll find me a polite debating parmer. But dammit, read Malachi Martin to demonstrate your willingness to consider both sides of the relevant questions!

I have experienced all the classical symptoms of OBEs, and yet, I know none of mine were real. So I am skeptical of any such claims which lack a Swdenborgian calibre of verification. If I ever become convinced that some of my own apparent OBEs are genuine, I may change my perspective on the alleged OBEs claimed by others. Boris and I merely expressed skepticism over the calibre of your alleged verification. I agree that there is no substitute for direct experience and I will continue to experiment with my Gateway CDs.

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DocM Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 2168	Re: God or No God Reply #42 - Jan 5^th, 2007 at 10:46pm Don, FYI, I used the peer moderator system earlier today to object to some of the objectionable posts by one of the members you mentioned. So far, nothing happened. Matthew
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Re: God or No God
Reply #43 - Jan 6^th, 2007 at 4:08am

Berserk wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 10:37pm:

Dude, though I consider your tone in the posts in question to be vulgar personal attacks, I apprediciate your expressed abhorrence of demeaning insults. I am prepared to take new pictures. Demonstrate that you are morally house-broiken in future posts to me and you'll find me a polite debating parmer. But dammit, read Malachi Martin to demonstrate your willingness to consider both sides of the relevant questions!

I have experienced all the classical symptoms of OBEs, and yet, I know none of mine were real. So I am skeptical of any such claims which lack a Swdenborgian calibre of verification. If I ever become convinced that some of my own apparent OBEs are genuine, I may change my perspective on the alleged OBEs claimed by others. Boris and I merely expressed skepticism over the calibre of your alleged verification. I agree that there is no substitute for direct experience and I will continue to experiment with my Gateway CDs.

Don

Well it seems that Don (Beserk) is at his very best again. He's been hanging around this
site for quite a while. His writings is somewhat leaned towards the Neo-Christian Right-
wing family. ...Burn in hell if you don't believe!!!??...He is one of these 'Pretend Saviours'
that roam and patrol New Age Sites....His Belief System is Fixed and Immovable...Heaven
help Bruce Moen who deleloped a new one through Exploration, he may think. Maybe
you (Don) should tell Bruce M. that he is going to burn in hell!??? for his free-will writings
and honest explorations?.....He most often repeats his OOBE as being un-real...It's just to sway those new to Bruce's Site to his fixed christian thinking....Give us a break Buddy!!?
Stick to your own christian sites!?...Why are you here(New Age sites)?????? G.Man.
Get a Life Buddy??...

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I Am Dude Super Member Offline Posts: 1462 Gender:	Re: God or No God Reply #44 - Jan 6^th, 2007 at 4:32am Gman, gman, gman... you are a brave soul. Usually all you have to do to start a fight with Berserk is to simply state your dislike of a certain belief in which he holds... but wow, I can not imagine how large the can of worms is that you just opened up. Good luck man, im looking forward to seeing the outcome of this one..
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