I don't see the threat from what OBE Dude and Mattimo are saying. Is it the notion that  Spirit exists inside you as well as outside that feels threatening?  I think it is absolutely fine to ask for and recieve help from subtle spiritual beings.  What Mattimo (and others) are saying doesn't invalidate doing so. Your relationship with your own Guide is not invalidated by these posts expressing the viewpoint of non-duality. It's probably better for that view to be demonstrated by example ( walking the walk ) than by words, but that's what this forum is.... words.

I think Mattimo's word for Spirit ... "Presence" is right on the mark. I have relationships with non-physical spiritual beings who I relate to as indivuals.  They also don't exist apart from my own presence. It's the reconciliation of what looks like in words to be two opposites that is the great mystery.  When you feel that those two things are opposite ends of the same stick, when you feel that sameness, all you can do is burst out laughing. They are not two. And yet... here is this wondrous indivual working with me. I'm here and they're 'there'. And.... they don't exist apart from my own presence. It's a mystery that makes me smile. It doesn't have to make sense.

Love, Tim

Ra. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2007 at 10:36pm:


I didn't say that there couldn't be aliens, I've said I've never seen an alien but I have seen and angel.
You think I'm ridiculous? Have you ever been saved from death? Who is watching over you.? Who will keep you and yours safe? I'm safe I've seen those who hurt us fall a great way too.

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Besides from possibly having some type of unconscious interaction with ETs, I have read more books about them than I can count, and have accumulated much knowledge about most aspects of interest involving aliens.  I did not quite understand this comment?  However from what i made out from it, I can not agree and see little sense in this statement.  An "angel" is a being from the afterlife... genetics involves genes from DNA... DNA is Strictly of the physical plane, our souls do not have DNA... consciousness does not have DNA.  Angels are not physical beings, and neither are we... we are consciousness, in a physical vessel.  The physical vessels we occupy are of DNA... the consciousness which resides in them do not.  This goes for aliens just as much as it does with humans.

Angels are strictly nonphysical beings.  I am assuming that mostly all "angles", I prefer to call them helpers or guides, but mostly all "angels", were once human.  Once having passed into the nonphysical, they chose to help others.  However, they left their human DNA behind with their rotting human body.  Aliens are conducting a genetics program in order to advance their race's evolution.  These things I am stating come from both abductees and advanced Remote Viewers.  The aliens live in a collective conscious state, meaning they opperate collectively with collective thoughts and spiritual growth.  However, they know that to really advance spiritually, you must evolve on an individual level, so they are in the process of creating a being of both alien and human genes, one that would allow for individuality rather than collective consciousness.  They know more about us than we know about us, and that is the sad thing.  This is apparent, for the way they ever so easily take us, experiment on us, and alter our minds so we do not even remember contact.  However, these beings do not have bad intentions, they only seek to evolve spiritually and assist us in our evolution as well.  They seek give us the tools to awaken so we will hopefully save our planet from its immenent distruction.  I agree that there will be a physical heaven.  By heaven I mean a place of peace, love, and growth.  This will come as a result of the shift of consciousness which is currently sweeping the planet.  Reincarnation is not neccessarily a bad thing if it is neccessary for an individuals growth and evolution.  And you dont have to hope that we will live eternally... we already do!!!! Our bodies may die, but our consciousness is infinite and eternal.

B-dawg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2007 at 5:01am:

Later! Have a good flight to hale-bop.

Hi eggshell,

I just wanted to mention here that when you would like to change, delete or add more comments to a post there is a button on your original post when you are logged on which you can click to do it.  It would save people some time, rather than rereading the old posts.

I hope that is helpful to you.

love, blink

Most of the posts on God are not "right."  They are not even "wrong."  They are instead "meaningless" since they draw no distinctions that might help assess their merits.  To insist that we are all a part of God sounds good unless you inquire ioto the opposing view of God.   People who would insist that we are distinct from God simply mean that we are not divine puppets; we have free will.  Even on that view, we are all a part of God (including Satan) in the sense that we all ultimately derive from our Creator. 

Consider the claim that evil is an illusion and that there is no postmortem accountability for earthly atrocities, since the God of which we are a part is as responsible for these atrocities as we are.  That claim would be consistent with Monroe's appalling maxim: "There is no good, there is no evil, there is only experience."  It would be wrong, but still meaningful.  Or consider the claim that God does not desire our love or adoration (worship) because we are all a part of "Him" and such worship would amount to self-worship.  That view would implicitly deny free will, but it would at least be meaningful in the sense that it draws a distinction.  Of course, one might ask PUL advocates why the creator of PUL would not want us to refuel on PUL through mystical contact with "Him"--another way of saying that God values our love, worship, and intimate communion with "Him."  Why would God supremely value PUL, and yet, be totally indifferent to the question of whether we also focus that PUL on "Him?" There is no obvious answer to this question.  So open your minds!

Awe, how sweet to see the Buddhist's [Tim F's] celebration of a returning Ra's profane insults.  I've known a teacher of a course on Buddhism like Tim and I think less of that religion through such aquaintances.  Let's survey some of the polite termiinology that Tim is tacitly celebrating:
"sucks," "retarded," "Religion is a sham,"  "Those who believe in religion are lacking a good chunk of intelligence,"  "Are you an idiot" (direted at eggshell's skepticsm about aliens). "You are ridiculous." 

Such verbal sewage makes Ra a soulmate of Dude's and gives new eloquence to the principle, "Empty drums make the most noise."  Well, Ra, I'm going to enjoy making constructive use of an illiterate like you as my whipping boy.   

Ra, let's begin our dialogue this way.  You vulgarly dismiss religion as a sham.  That of course implies that you have thoroughly examined religions and found thiem a sham.  For starters, what are the arguments in favor of linking Jesus' miracles with eyewitness testimony?  Ha!  You don't have a clue.  You dismiss  what you don't understand.  You are the true IDIOT!

Don