Hi Matthew Im  so sorry but i deleted what i had wrote and for some reason its deleted yours as well .sorry about that.I dont know why thats happened.

Love and God bless Love juditha

Hi Chumley  There are demon spirits ,but not in the afterlife,thats why there is exorcisim,and i do beleive that God threw Satan to the earth,because Satan tried to challenge God and lost the fight,if Satan had not done this ,why is there so many people writing about Satan over the years,there must have been something in it somewhere.

Its on the earth plain where all the misery is hate war violence pain,so called people that say they beleive in God and dont even bother to love and forgive there fellow man,these people are number one hypocrites.

Then there are people what do love and forgive,well at least try and love and forgive,but as i have said hypocrites are the worst kind of people on this earth plain,wolves in sheeps clothing.

I beleive that mary conceived a child from God ,who grew up to save our sins and teach us about the love and forgiveness of our father God,and you was not there at the time chumley ,so you cant say it did not happen,you have no proof and neither do i really ,but i beleive what i beleive and you beleive what you beleive.

Satan is just another word for evil and gods love will always reign over that,so evil does not win,neither does Satan.

Love and God bless      Love Juditha

I'm not sure if Don is going to answer this question, Brendan.  I think he is still upset at his last clash with Dude and the "New Agers" here.  This is a pity because, no matter what he says, I think this forum is probably the best place to express his research and views.  I have one or two new threads that I am working on myself, and it would be great to have his input along with everyone else. 

I can only hope that his quest for knowledge will overcome the little barbs that flew back and forth like so many bee stings - that I laughed off. 

I would venture to say though, that your myopic view of armies of Satan vs. armies of angels/God is way off from what he has stated on the board.  Don did discuss Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil," and his belief in the demonic.  True.  But to extrapolate that into your other assertions does not go along with his posts as I read them.   

Many who concentrate on the nature of consciousness believe that some people who feel unworthy after life make themselves into demons, feeling that they can not face God for the way they led their lives.  Dave-MBS has recounted personal experiences where such discarnate souls were shown that they still have a spark of God within them, and encouraged to leave their hellish ideas and go back toward God. 

Are there beings who were never human and only have ill intent for man?  I don't know personally. 

Don posted questions about whether mediums were channeling real deceased people or demonic imposters pretending to give the right information by telepathy, etc.  These were questions - he did not appear to state it as a fact that ALL spiritual communication was from the demonic. 

I hope Don answers your questions/rant himself.  But to me Chum, it all comes back to your having a very anthropomorphic and limited understanding of God as a white haired Zeus-like man on a throne with a long flowing beard.  You say it would be his fault if there are demons in the world anyway.  Haven't you figured out yet that God is bigger than that?  That all consciousness consists of a part of God's essence?  That to portray him as a Superman type character is to diminish God and the universe (and your part in the divine scheme of things)?

M-man

The evil comes within ourself, not from some outside force "satan". That is like taking the easy way out, blaming all your problems on someone else.  We need to take responsibility for our lives and take action to change, as long as you believe "satan" is doing everything that is bad in the world, then noone will ever try to change within themselves because they will believe they have no control over it.  WE DO HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.  But we have lost touch with this truth.  This sick culture and world we live in has taken control over us all, some much more than others.  We get caught up in all the unimportant nonesnese, people become greedy and evil, and do stupid things which hurt so many others and only beneifit themselves. That is why we have wars.  That is why we have killings. That is why we have our own government demolishing important buildings and killing thousands of U.S. citizens.  ITS NOT SATAN!!! satan is fiction!!! do some research and you will discover that is a fact.  This myth was probably created so people wouldnt look outside the "bible" box, so people wouldnt ask questions, and instead just go along with the motions.  So that all this horror could occur and we would just say... oh , it must be satan... lets not do anything about it, all we can do is pray!  B.S.!!!!!!! Its time to wake up.

Im sorry, I cannot tell you what it was that you saw.  I think that because of your young minds, and the rediculous beliefs people have, you labeled whatever you saw as a "demon".  I am sure most people would have thought the same thing.  You could have been correct to assume the being was manevolent, or you could have been totally wrong and just confused by the way it looked.  I do believe that there may be evil spirits or beings.  However, the evil that they possess comes from within themselves, not some evil big red dude with little evil demon cronies.  Once you understand the history of the bible story and the characters in it, you will understand why there is no satan.

I totally agree, everyone has their own beliefs and are 100% entitled to them.  And I totally have no problem with people holding their own beliefs if they benifit from them and pose as a good influence in their life.  However, nothing good could ever come from believing in satan.  Believing in jesus is one thing, the thought of him may bring comfort and love to people who need it, nevermind if he is real or myth.  But the only thing believing in satan can do is bring fear into ones life and conseal where the true evil lies in this world, making it very hard to bring change to the evil, and in turn causing even more evil.  Especially when the facts are there for us to see in plain sight that the myth of Satan in Christianity is stolen from a mirror image myth from ancient religions and totally fictional.  Feel free to research it, I found the proof effortlessly.

I'm not sure if Don is going to answer this question, Brendan.  I think he is still upset at his last clash with Dude and the "New Agers" here.  This is a pity because, no matter what he says, I think this forum is probably the best place to express his research and views.  I have one or two new threads that I am working on myself, and it would be great to have his input along with everyone else. 

I can only hope that his quest for knowledge will overcome the little barbs that flew back and forth like so many bee stings - that I laughed off. 

I would venture to say though, that your myopic view of armies of Satan vs. armies of angels/God is way off from what he has stated on the board.  Don did discuss Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil," and his belief in the demonic.  True.  But to extrapolate that into your other assertions does not go along with his posts as I read them.   

Many who concentrate on the nature of consciousness believe that some people who feel unworthy after life make themselves into demons, feeling that they can not face God for the way they led their lives.  Dave-MBS has recounted personal experiences where such discarnate souls were shown that they still have a spark of God within them, and encouraged to leave their hellish ideas and go back toward God. 

Are there beings who were never human and only have ill intent for man?  I don't know personally. 

Don posted questions about whether mediums were channeling real deceased people or demonic imposters pretending to give the right information by telepathy, etc.  These were questions - he did not appear to state it as a fact that ALL spiritual communication was from the demonic. 

I hope Don answers your questions/rant himself.  But to me Chum, it all comes back to your having a very anthropomorphic and limited understanding of God as a white haired Zeus-like man on a throne with a long flowing beard.  You say it would be his fault if there are demons in the world anyway.  Haven't you figured out yet that God is bigger than that?  That all consciousness consists of a part of God's essence?  That to portray him as a Superman type character is to diminish God and the universe (and your part in the divine scheme of things)?

M-man
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So, Doc... you mean to say, that ol' Don can't handle a
bit of his own medicine?
He comes on here and basically tells the "New Agers" that
they are full of baloney. (What is a "New Ager" anyway? Their
ideas are of no more recent vintage than those of most
American Christians, whose theology dates back to the 1920's
with Billy Sunday, Aimee Semple MacPherson and so forth.) And
the whole "demonic influence" stuff is closely related to Roman
Catholic theology (The Roman Catholic Church being nothing
more than, and nothing less than, the world's oldest money-
making corporation..!)
Don's inability to handle the barbs (i.e., take a punch after
he has dished one out) is reminiscent of the behavior of a
schoolyard bully. Ever notice how a schoolyard bully just loves
to swagger and throw his weight around...
Until someone gives him a bloody nose. THEN watch him run
blubbering to the teacher..!
Now me, I know that I just MIGHT be full of fertilizer, so to
speak. But I ACCEPT this. I also LOVE a good argument, just
like Mike Tyson loves a good brawl...
(Maybe I should have been a lawyer..?)
The "bully" behavior I mentioned is SO typical of Abrahamic religionists, Doc. When
their limited powers of persuasion fail them, either they cop out,
or resort to fear tactics...
OR they get violent. (Look at history.)
But they NEVER admit that the other side might be right, do they?
They will go to the ends of the earth to dig up "evidence" to try and
make their case (and end up looking silly in the process) but in the
end, it's "my way or the highway" with them.
And they are ALWAYS arguing from a top-down, hierarchical, from-the-elite-down-to-the-goobers viewpoint. "A place for every man, and every man in his place... and YOURS is at the bottom, boy."
Perhaps this is why I'm not a Christian, nor indeed a member of any other hierarchic, top-down, absolutist faith. I wouldn't fit in... either in their churches, OR in their "Heaven"..!

B-pariah

P.S. The idea of beings which were "never human and have only ill
intentions for mankind says two things, Doc...
-#1. The afterlife must be a really lame, "get-a-life" sort of place,
if said beings have nothing better to do than to #^%$ around with
humans. (I've stated this previously.) If "demons" exist then, I have one more reason (at least indirectly!) to seek annihilation, do I
not???
-#2. Most humans sure have a bloated sense of their own self-worth, they must think ourselves to be the very center of Creation itself! To
think, that "demons" find messing with US, to be their "raisons de etre." Apparently, beings who were never human, must find us WAY more important, than humans (at least humans like myself!) find THEM...

Think about it!!!

Cheers...

I believe these experiences happen to you because you open yourself up to them by believing them as a possibility.  I can garuntee that if you were to wipe out your beliefs of Satan and Demons then these experiences would not happen to you.  I bet that if when you and your sister were young, and instead of believing that what you saw was a demon, you beleived it was just a strange looking being that meant no harm, the chain reaction would not have begun which brought you to this place in which you beleive Satan is working to conquer your soul and you are having these attacks.  If you would just come to terms with the fact that satan is a fictional being, you would probably be able to anaylse your past situations in a new light and could bring about change in yourself which would end these attacks forever.  You may say that he is not fiction because you have been victim to his attacks, but the reality is that he is as fictional as freddy kruger.  There are many sources you can learn this from, and I would recommend doing so.  Once you see this, like I said before, you would be able to see these experiences for what they really were.  Most likely manifestations of your fear.