I believe that each of us has the freedom to use our creative energy in any way we want.

I also believe each of us is in search of the love, happiness and peace that is natural to who we really are.

When we look for love, happiness and peace outside instead of inside and circumstances don't play out in the manner we believe they ought to play out, we become angry. Some people become so angry that they take on negative and hateful personalities.  When they die, until they come to the point where they are able/willing to acknowledge their mistake, they continue to exist as spirits that have negative minds.

An angry and hateful spirit is an angry and hateful spirit, regardless of its origin. It doesn't become more powerful simply because it has a non human origin.  Any spirit that God creates has the same creative potential. It is a matter of how a spirit makes use of this potential.  

Some of these spirits refuse to cross over, and because of their meaness try to create problems for others. I don't believe that God has set things up so that they can force themselves on another and overcome their will. A negative minded spirit seperates itself from God and love, and therefore seperates itself from the source of all power. A person who lives according to love on the other hand connects his or herself to God's will, the source of all power. Therefore a person who lives according to God and love is going to be more powerful than a being who doesn't.  To suggest differently is to suggest that a deluded, confused, negative minded being is more powerful than God, even though such a being owes its existence to God.

Here's another way to look at it. If a negative minded being was somehow able to take over a loving person's mind, it would become incredibly disoriented, because it wouldn't know how to make use of the various thoughts, beliefs, personality aspects and feelings of the mind it took over. After all, such a being doesn't even know how to control its own mind.

When it comes to people who are effected by a negative being, there is probably a very good reason for which they are effected. Perhaps they have negative tendencies of mind, either conscious or unconscious,  that a negative minded being can make use of.

Or.....

A person believes that evil spirits exist that are more powerful than he or she, and this belief is all a negative minded being needs in order to gain an advantage. A person's lack of faith in his or her own spiritual power, is the belief that causes them to capitulate and allow a negative minded being to take over.

I bet you that the negative minded beings who do exist love it when people share their stories of powerful demons. It is the very thing they need to get people to have a lack of faith in their own power. They need to find a way to get people to give their power away.

One of the ways in which they'll go about doing so is by making themselves appear with a really creepy image.  Imagery has the ability to cause our minds to create all kinds of feelings. If a negative minded spirit creates an image that causes a person to experience fear, the fear that a person feels might lead them to conclude that they are in contact with something that is very powerful. This is what fear does. It causes us to believe that we're weak, and whatever we are contact with is powerful. It doesn't matter what the other thing is. It is our own fear, usually based on false concepts, that causes us to believe that something has the power to do us harm.

If a person wants to claim that satan causes people to become evil, then why is that some people are effected by him, while others aren't? Where does the initial evil come from that causes a person to allow his or herself to be effected by satan, if satan had yet to come to the point where he initially effected he or she?  The only way in which he could do so is if a person had some evil in them to begin with. If this were the case, then where is the need of satan? A person already has the negativity within his or herself that enabled he or she to either go in the direction of darkness, or the direction of love.  This is why a person can experience feelings of horror while watching a movie such as the Exorcist. Not because negative energy travels from the movie screen into a person. Rather because the movie stimulates a person's creative energy to start creating negative feelings.

But I guess it's easier to blame negativity on outside forces, rather than taking self responsibility. If you don't want to be effected by negative spirits, then don't give them anything to mess with. They love (not in a divine way) things such as hate, anger, and fear.

Juditha:

First of all, I don't know why exactly, but spirit beings can cause physical sensations. For example, I've had friendly spirits work on my energy body. When they've touched me it has felt like a pair of hands touching me. For whatever reason, even though they can walk through walls, they can interact with physical objects. Perhaps it is just a matter of a spirit lowering the vibrational rate of a part of itself so that part has enough density to interact with the part of the physical World they are interacting with.

I agree that there are negative minded spirits who want to influence people in a bad way, and have negative thoughts about their confused concept of God. But they are nothing compared to God. I bet you Jesus wouldn't be scarred by one. I also bet that other beings of love and light wouldn't be scarred by one.  I believe that your guide Teressa tried to tell you to not be afraid of them when you ran accross one during a spirit circle.

The thing I don't like about the whole satan business is that such a way of thinking causes people to view negative minded spirits as being more powerful than they are. How can a person stand up to something if they don't believe they are strong enough to do so? If you connect your will to the will of God, what can they do?



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Chumley,  for years I have posted and celebrated on this board the inspirational ADCs that I and my acquaintances have experienced.   Recently, one of these has even been published in a book.  The author read my posts and contacted me by PM for perimission to publish.   So do you really imagine I consider these supreme manifestations of love to be demonic?  

I now realize that Dude’s continued use of vulgar and mindless put-downs ("bull," "retard," "barf," etc.) is well-suilted to the low density of this site’s level of cosciousness and the double standard continually displayed by this site’s New Age groupies.   Yet as long as I am allowed to post, I will not tolerate the gross insensitivity to the faith of dear souls like Deanna and Juditha. The deafening silence of the culturally unwashed New Age herd suggests they are privately  giggling at this relentless assault.   Dude’s challenge to Deanna is amusingly ironic:  “Satan is fiction!!!  “Do some research and you will discover that is a fact.”.  Here Dude projects his own fatal flaw onto the twins--his terror of exploring the dreaded other side of the question.   So I must once again rub Dude’s snotty nose in my old challenge before which the gropuies here always freeze like a fawn in the headlights:  read Malachi Martin’s magesterial case histories in “Hostage to the Devil.”   Read his account of how an overconfident athletic priest is struck dead by an unseen hand the moment he arrives at the demoniac’s bedside!  That priest had evidently grown overconfident from a prior success in another exorcism.  I know of no skeptic on this site or anywhere who has read that book without being convinced!

Dude tries to compensate for his intellectual myopia by measuring truth in dogmatic decibels.  Thus, he reassures the twins: “I can GUARANTEE you that if you were to wipe out your beliefs of Satan and Demons, then these experiences would not happen to you.”  Wow, a guarantee!  But then Dude hasn’t researeched the possession cases of young children from whose minds nothing is further removed than the concept of Satan.  I have posted the acocunt of my cousin's battle against an attempted posession as a two-year-old with no concept of Satan.  His eyes rolled up in deep trance in the car at the precise moment the demon was expelled inside the nearby house.  Only the fervent prayers of my uncle (the exorcist) and my aunt prevented the possession from taking hold.  My cousin screamed in terror for a long time until his release was ultimately secured.  He is now a pyschiatrist.  When Jesus peformed his exorcisms, demonic possession was unknown in the Ancient Near East.

Don

Hi Don Thankyou for what you have told outofbodydude and we agree with you that Satan and the Demons do exist .

Love and God bless you Don    love Juditha and Deanna

Brendan,

Christianity teaches that God created you for your unique potential for progression in PUL (Pure Unoconditional Love).  Worship is just another word for refueling on PUL from its Source.  God also created you with the freedom to defy that purpose and reap the consequences of a godlree zone of selfish unloving existence.   You get to be on a spirit plane with bitter, self-serving souls just like yourself.  Like attracts like.  If this plane is hellish, it is because you will be unable to conceal your thoughts and bitter contempt from others just as bitter and contemptous as yourself.  In short, that hellish plane will be a voyage of self-discovery, not a torture chamber created by a sadistic God.  You will simply get to experience the Hell you'd create if you were treated the way you treat others.  

But that is not what really terrifies you the most.  You will also sense the bliss and creative opportunities you forfeited by your choices.  You will be haunted by the joyful road less treveled that your ego made you ignore.  Rather than explore the blissful path you've always ignored, you will get to be "right" about divine sadism by insisting on creating God in this ghastly image.   You will be in a spirit plane with tragic souls just as stubborn and bitter as you are.  Finally, rather than accept offers of soul retrieval, you will choose annihilation and God will respect your choice to experience Him as a saidist rather than as the Fount of Unimaginable Love.  In the final analysis, you will get to be "right" and to have your consciousness annihilated and recycled into a more promising soul.....

Or you can actually read a good book on survival and open your heart to the possibility of experiencing new pleasures as the horizons of your consciousness expand.  What do you have to lose by reading one bleeping book?  

Don  

Dude, the Bible does not even idenitfy "Satan" as "Lucifer."   The word "Satan" merely means "adversary" in Hebrew.  If the God of love gives adversaries the freedom to oppose "Him," then by definition there is the etherial equivalent of spiritual warfare. And just who are these adversaries?   Once we concede that there is alien life both in our universe and in spiritual planes, this opens the door to the possibility that non-human evil entities exist.   You overlook my constant insistence on shifting the focus from the origin of these entities to their potential to do harm.  To grasp that, you need to read a standard book with an opposing viewpoint.  I read dozens of New Age books.  Why won't you read one challenging book, Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil?"   If you read and discuss it, yoiu will go a long way towards convincing me that you are more than a vulger New Ager who uses insults to compensate for his lack of intellectual rigor and illiteracy in the fields on which you pontificate.  Read him and my tone towards you will totallly change.   ....With one excpetion--stop insulting the twins!  They are reall sweeties!  As for me, when I am blunt, I expect blunt retorts, but you'd better know what you're talking about.

Don

You must be crazy... I never insulted them, or anyone else.  Show me what you think I said that was an insult towards them, and Ill clear things up for you.  The facts that lucifer does not exist are so obvious that reading a book claiming he does exist is the equivallent to reading a book claiming that jesus is real.  Ooo bad example for christians... ok, its the equivalent to reading a book about the easter bunny.

Of course I realise that there are entities out there that can do harm.  What I am saying is there is not a Clifford-the-big-red-dog-looking devil man named lucifer who is the mastermind of these negative entities and their actions.  Lets get our heads out of the bible and into reality.

In my opinion, of course we choose the path of evil, if that is the path we in fact find ourselves on.  Everything we do, say, feel, although they may be conditioned by past experiences and prejudices, are ultimately us expressing free will.  We choose our actions, and therefore also choose the consequences for those actions(or inactions).  Whether or not we are conscious of that choice is irrelevant, for we may choose an evil path while thinking it is the path to righteousness.  A psychopathic serial killer may think he is doing good by killing everyone, when in reality he is choosing to be evil.  Even though someone thinks they are doing the right thing by getting back at someone for doing wrong to them in the past, it is still them choosing to express the opposite of love, if you consider hate and evil the opposite of love... I personally think there is no opposite of love, only the lack of love.  All other emotions are pure illusion.  However, I think we must accept our lives, whether we are loving or evil, because only then can we make appropriate changes to get back on the path of love.  If you choose to believe we are not in controll of this, then you are saying somthing else has control, and therefore nothing can be done about it.