LightR_on wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2007 at 1:40am:


Thats sounds great, but I don't know if I believe that to be true. Maybe some beings can, some beings can I imagine in this world. Shapeshifters. I believe some can do that.
I'm taking it that some of you don't believe in a creator that makes some beings a certain way? I don't know.
I mostly ponder of the angelic idea because of what I have seen of myself and remember of somebody else.
I know one thing thats for sure, I have a great deal of energy there. I need to focus on pulling that here to me.

Hi, we're on at the same time ESS. must be a reason!   you said something I wanted to respond on a bit..


sorry if everything you say makes me think of a similar experience but maybe we're sister souls in our thoughts. if so, glad to meet cha. if not still glad to meet cha!
Even so what I have seen "out there" of myself and the opinions and belief systems generated by these experience, I hold true that I am not different than anyone else, so then what I see, if I see myself as a being with light streaming from the eye socket, I see others the same way. I could have easily conjectured when I saw this "higher self" with light coming from the eyes that I was angel. it was my lower self's job to protest this news. and I still protest it. we are duality creatures, born to protest.

lately I've been telling others ye are gods and goddesses and know it not. I will stay with this thought until I die because I hold it as a vision. we have no idea of our powers to balance a duality world and war and all that goes with a world of shadow and sun, fear and love, etc.
Frankly higher self had come this way to inpire lower self to stop being a couch pototo  ..read, study, see why higher self was all jolly and carefree and C1 was not. crap, I wanted to kill myself on more than one occassion. I rescued my own self. I must be an angel! lol.  glad to get any type of visitation from anybody at this point!

and you're right, we do have a great deal of energy on the other side because we have no baggage to carry around, so we become lightweights. as well theres no aging process unless we want it.
this light that streams from the eyes is god stuff, its pure light. I've seen it in my husband's eyes on 3 occassions: when we met, when I gave birth, and when he died. he played the role of a drunk here on earth, but he was much much more than that role.

then I saw it in my stepfather's eyes as he lay dying. It was from the eyes and love was there in the light. Love was in my higher self's eyes streaming out and this love was etheral, other worldly and contained the answer to every question that one could possibly think up. its us! we are the lightworkers. we should be happy. heres how I see retrievals..its like a thousand words. its not even complicated.

I believe that these characters, whether it is jesus, buddah, karish, whatever, are actually guides or higher beings taking on the form of these characters in order to comfort or help the person who believes in the particular character.  I also am thinking that these beings may actually exist, but only because it is so commonly believed that they do, that our collective thoughts were able to manifest the actual beings.  These characters are of pure fiction, there is no doubt about that.  But if we can think a nasty demon into existance, I see no reason why we cant think one of these spiritual beings into existance for love or support in the afterlife.

I'm not sure if these characters ( Jesus, Buddha etc.) are pure fiction.  They did have physical lives on this planet. Just because they're no longer physical doesn't mean they still don't live. But you could be right anyway Dude... I myself could be pure fiction. I could exist just as the stories I tell myself. That is probably true. The world could exist, in the way it does to me,  just as the stories I tell about it to myself.

Hmmm. Interesting story you shared, the story about Jesus and Buddha being characters in a story. I like the idea of being a character with them.

My statements of these characters being fictional come from my knowledge of the works many scholars and researchers have done pertaining to biblical texts and studies of the stories of past religions as well.  The truth is that the character jesus christ has an extraordinary similarity to characters of religions preceiding christianity which are supposively the "son of god".  There is actually a "son of god" in almost every religion.  The entire way Chirst lived his life, most of his teachings from the bible, the events that occurred in his life, are almost all the exact same stories of Krishna and some of Buddah, two "sons of god" from religions that go back way farther than christianity.  Many other father figures of past religions also share the same traits as Jesus.  the facts also point to the fact that Jesus is no more than a personification of the actual sun, the sun in the sky, and the bible is more or less a personified story of the zodiac.  Christianity has actually taught its followers that Astology is work of the Devil, and yet it incorperates it into the story in so many ways.  Is that a coincidence? Perhaps they did not want people to find out the truth about the story of the bible, and by telling people to stay away from Astrology they hoped noone would be able to see the connection.  There is a very informative series of videos on YouTube.com entitled The Truth of the Jesus Myth.  I do not recomend watching this if you are extremely religious, for you will either totally and irrationally reject the evidence, or you may except the evidence which could cause such a big belief system crash you may loose your mind.  I would never show my mom this, her faith in jesus is all she has, and I would not want to take that away from her.  The same goes with any of you.  Just beware, for the evidence in these videos that the bible is simply a compilation of stories of past religions and personifications of the zodiac are tremendous, and simply cannot be overlooked and tossed away.

eggshellseas2 wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2007 at 10:09pm:


I can't find that on You tube. I search I have heard that story like on national geographic or something.
The reason I believe the right guy did it this time..I can't explain right now. Its just what he said to me.

lot of good thoughts here. I read Tim first so go with what he brings up for me.

I'm sure there was a man called Jesus and that when a man dies here he still remains what he was and is not assimilated into a wispy cloud of clone like proportion. doesn't make sense to me that I could lose myself as I know myself in whatever time period or life I undertook.
It's more like Jesus was also Buddha and many more persons of light, and since energy is industructible, nothing is lost. we are basically energy beings. our bodies are water and mineral composites..is why the body returns to the soil from which it is made. we are not these bodies. 
yet continuing with Tim's line of thought..did any here consider that a thought is a thing that is alive?  and that thought too does not die?  then you have grid alive with all thought and sound.
so the same spirit can enter another physical housing. old timey religion calls it being reborn.  a new spirit or essence enters. not talking about walk ins, but that can happen within agreement. was thinking J is part of a hierarchy which squeezes itself into a brain, to give guidance to them that called out for guidance.

When I read A Course in Miracles which made me want to live again, (channelled, J talking)  it said something which caused thoughts of large versus small.

it said we are "thoughts" of god. so that made sense after awhile. holy cow,  somebody thought me up! so its back to the concepts of thoughts are things.

I think that would follow that we are talking about god "stuff." creative stuff.
the creator too is made of creative stuff, and we are made of this stuff, I like to call the light. in the old days we called it god. now we need new vocabulary.

then I fall back upon my own reflections..that of feeling like a hologram of my higher self involved in a movie, a play, because I could. that would be the only reason. the little choo choo that could. I got used to thinking of being a hologram in a movie because I found out somebody loves us up there and all of us put together are one with the force, (dont like that name either, but see how we need new labels?).
so Dude is right, his mom is right. she needs to know she is loved, and J can do a good job of that.

its love in the end which expands knowledge. my opinion. i think this was J's basic message that got warped.

Well the point of the video was to prove that the character jesus was stolen from past religions and the bible is mainly based on astrology, which it did, and finely.  So you say its impossible to see how the pyramids were built, but you somehow know why it was built? hm. Well the truth is, I am sure anyone with profficient Remote Viewing skills could see how the pyramids were built.  In fact, i have read a book in which the author did travel to when the pyramids were being built.  It was a long time ago so I forget the small details, but it definately was a feat done with the assistance of alien technology.  Just think about it... I mean, I bet that even today we couldnt build pyramids like Giza... especially not in the time period it was done in.  Statistics show that according to the historical theory, one stone would have to be placed every 2 minutes or so.  And were talking 100 ton stones! Geez. 
Faith is good up to a certain extent.  Having faith in the wrong thing could lead you into a sticky situation upon physical death, however.  Instead of putting all of your trust into somthing you think may be the truth, I think it is better to leave your mind open to all possibilities and explore the answers to your questions for yourself.  We all have the abilities to do so, which in a way makes it our obligation.  I used to put my faith into Jesus, until I started exploring new possiblities.  Once I began realising the true nature of things, I felt it was a little odd that Jesus could fit into all of it.  And lately I've been coming across more and more evidence proving that my speculation had truth behind them.  If your going to put faith into somthing or someone, put faith into yourself, because you are one with everything, you are both a part of and all of the infinite consciousness.