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The Dynamics of Karma (Potentially Infinite?)
Dec 29th, 2006 at 8:31pm
 
If one goes through an extremely difficult period in their life whereby negative karma has been accumulated how does one tell whether it is new negative karma being accumulated or past negative karma being worked through for a more balanced/positive outcome. For instance, what if a very trying difficult situation in a past life had caused one to take one's physical life... If this individual had reincarnated to work through this mistake how does one know if during this most recent incarnation the tragedy that accumulates to be worked through is from past lives or new negative karma being developed in the now?

Also, is it possible for karma to be infinite in nature, or is it something that eventually gets balanced for all of creation within the essence of all that is?

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Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 10:00am
 
Greetings Cosmic,

As I understand it, the dynamics of karma are based on restoring balance. So if karmic 'law' is in effect, balance will be restored.... Eventually, maybe some times through more interactions than others.

In the first part of your question it sounded like you were saying that a negative act was being used to karmically treat a negative act?  If so, I don't think that is successful karma, sounds more like retribution. I thought the balance of karma happens when we meet somone who has wronged us and can turn away or offer goodwill---? ( Smiley WinkI have a couple of relationships where karma's taking awhile; it's hard being forgiving to some. But that's by the boards, nothing to dowith here.)  Smiley

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Reply #2 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 4:53pm
 
Hi Cosmic  Considering Karma especially karmec debt,i must owe quite a lot of karma from my past life as im forever paying it back,ive been paying karmec debt for years and i still am,so im thinking if someone has a happy carefree existence then they must have been a very special person in there formal life and because like me i seem forever on karmec debt,then i wonder as i have even asked God "Was i a really bad person in my former life,as i seem  to keep paying for the life i am living now."

I would never commit suicide because I havent got the guts and i would not want to reincarnate and go through it all again.

God is the light in my life and my children light up my life,so thats two good reasons why i would never commit suicide.

Love and God bless        Love juditha
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Reply #3 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 6:14pm
 
Hi CA-
Karma is just cause and effect. The word itself means "action", and that's all that is implied.

If you don't put gas in your car the karmic result is that it eventually runs out of gas and stope. The solution to rectify that karmic state is to put gas in the car. In this sense, karma is the great educator.

Past actions often leave us with definitions predicated on someone else's discomfort - like after "getting even" with a tormentor, we feel good but they feel uncomfortable. So they "get even" with us, and it goes back and forth until we get tired of being obnoxious. That's a typical karmic entanglement. The cure is to stop playing that game. Abandon hatred and anger and acept oneness and loving kindness, and then we don't have the urge to mistreat or fellow beings. The negative attachments to past actions can be gotten rid of easily by simply not being negative.

In its simlpest form, getting rid of negative karma is a matter of notuicing that certain things turned out badly in some manner. We wish to not cause that any more. So we disown whatever it was that we did and we disown that kind of action, and in their place we take up a form of activity that is harmless. Then we go on with life. You might notice that this is more or less the way most religions handle cofessions, penance etc. It's just an unhooking process.

Hope this helps-
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Reply #4 - Dec 31st, 2006 at 7:35pm
 
Thank you all for the great replies.

Betson wrote:

"In the first part of your question it sounded like you were saying that a negative act was being used to karmically treat a negative act?"

I'll try to re-word it as best I can... Suppose that due to extreme circumstances somebody chose to take their life... From various readings I've gathered that in some instances this said individual will be granted the option of incarnating into a similiar experience thereby working through these "extreme circumstances" to help further their spiritual growth; consequently, relieving the soul of such a heavy burden and allowing it open positive growth. So, I guess a better stated question would be how does one know whether the hardships that they go through in their current life are brand new harships being accumulated or past life harships being worked through for a better outcome?

Dave, thank you for your very helpful response. I suppose that it doesn't really matter where the harships originate, but rather how we unhook ourselves from the karmic cycle while still retaining inner balance and loving focus.

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Reply #5 - Jan 1st, 2007 at 12:36am
 
Hi CA-
OK - it is unimportant where hardships arise, true. How we deal with them is to the point, and the core of that is what our motives are, since that's what gets trapped in the karma of the action.

A woman came to me to look at her past life and discovered that in her last life she had been given to a busines associate of her fathers in order for him to gain financial position. Her "step-children" were decades older than she was and they mistreated her cruelly. She ran FROM the situation by wrapping a sash cord around her neck and hopping out a window. She found herself in this life in a family that was overworking her, mistreating her and making life a living hell. This time she ran TO a solution by leaving them and setting up an independent business with her husband. That worked out fine.

The French poet Lamartine expressed the same thought far more succintly: "La sortie plus vite est par" = The fastest way out is through. 

It is not so much what we, providing that it doesn't harm others, but how we do it and for what motives. If it harms others, then we have to somehow integrate that experience, meaning that if we did it to save more from worse, we feel good, but compassionate. If we did it to gain power, prestige or money, then we get to have a more intimate experience of the results of our actions.

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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2007 at 2:06pm
 
I am still learning about Karma, so there is much I don't know about it. But is it possible that someone could have done something in heaven that causes a karmetic affect on their lives here?
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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 11:11am
 
Greetings eggshellseas,

Dr Michael Newton, a hypnotherapist, got alot of information on life in heaven between lives and wrote about it.  I'll go back and read him and get back to you.
I made one of the biggest mistakes of my life when I was 3 YO, not long from heaven's exit gate.  I got confused about living in a democracy for the first time and figured since I was equal to everyone, I'd just throw out all the plans that had been set for my life I was just starting and make my own. I also then mistakenly told my Guidance that male/female love was the only love that counted on Earth.  Later I realized that my soul age made me responsible for my actions regardless of my chronological age.
I threw out Their Love and Their plans, and they let me see for a long time how it is without Them, and it was hell.
I doubt while we're up there if we're in the mood to be rebellious, with all the Love around.

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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2007 at 10:39pm
 
That is an interesting turn Bets.
What I'm wondering about you told is, when in-between lives, you made a plan for the next life, but in an early stage of that life you decided to change the plan- but due to your soul's age. So maybe on another level it was the plan to change a plan...?

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Reply #9 - Jan 4th, 2007 at 10:55am
 
Greetings,

I like your interpretation, spooky, because that would make me brave. But I've felt exasperation from Guidance and seen glimpses of the other track.
Strange though, now that I think of it, I may be learning the same major things as were set out for me before, just that this track has been more difficult. Hmm-mm,  At two difficult periods a soul from that track appeared and told me that life was OK.
So IMPOV  'karma' ---the lessons we must learn--- inevitably will be provided.
Apologies, eggshellseas.  Do you think maybe a soul would get rebellious in heaven just to test Love? The adjustment experiences have to be related to the original imbalance.--Or go back to what Dave told Cosmic:  "OK - it is unimportant where hardships arise, true. How we deal with them is to the point, and the core of that is what our motives are, since that's what gets trapped in the karma of the action."

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Reply #10 - Jan 6th, 2007 at 2:44am
 
Thanks to all for the insightful replies and shared experiences.

I do believe as Betson has written that there are numerous avenues in which spiritual growth and wisdom are achievable, and some may not go as initially planned or expected. Beings we are working within the "confines" of an infinite timeline... the timeline for growth is not the essential factor.

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