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Reply #15 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 3:45pm
 
"But in view of the usual eruption of New Age bigotry and ad hominem attacks, I will abrupty end my thread and deprive you of my new evidence. "

Don,

I urge you as a friend, not to leave, and to simply make peace and let others make peace with you.  Forgiveness on both sides.  It works.  Turning the other cheek.  Would anyone moving toward love as I know you want to,  deprive people of their new evidence?  Read that quote again.  Is that really what you want to say?  I for one would share it and laugh off any slights, and ask to be forgiven if any of my words were misinterpreted or caused offense. 

Look at your Swedenborg thread, read 4269 times.  I know that includes many of the same people, but potentially hundreds of newbies.  The topics and information shared are important.  We all learn bits and pieces as we synthesize our view of what we "know" of the other side and consciousness/love/God. 

I would like you to stay, Don.  Clearly the ability to forgive and be forgiven is within us all.

Matthew
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Reply #16 - Dec 29th, 2006 at 3:52pm
 
Don:

First of all I have to trust what my own experience tells me before I listen to what some so-called adepts claim. My experience tells me that beings who exist at higher levels have too much control of their consciousness to lose memories without having any say in the matter.

If anything, it is more of a matter of losing false identifications by choice, rather than losing memories. Why should a light being hold onto body based identifications when they no longer apply? A light being finds that its body based persona has little to do with who/what it really is.

Do you really believe that beings who represent God's light could take care of things as well as they do, if their memories were stripped from them in a manner that is beyond their control? As a spirit evolves it comes closer to God, and God doesn't have memory problems.

P.S. You didn't comment about how Jesus showed George Ritchie light beings who were doing retrievels in a hell realm. Is it your assumption that at this point of his experience Mr. Ritchie was having interpreter problems?

Berserk wrote on Dec 29th, 2006 at 3:24pm:
Recoverer,

It's a shame that you reject astral explorations of adepts with impressive verifications simply because they conflict with your preconceived notions.  I don't like the prospect of dormant memory any more than you do.  But intellectual honesty requires me to respect (1) the claim's potential value in explaining why there are so few unequivocally impressive ADCs and (2) the independent reinforcement of this memory loss from a variety of astral adepts and NDEs.  I prefer to acknowledge the apparent disconnect and probe for the reasons why both sides might express part of the truth.  I had compiled a mountain of astral insights that might just achieve such a breakthrough.   But in view of the usual eruption of New Age bigotry and ad hominem attacks, I will abrupty end my thread and deprive you of my new evidence.  This site, with all its PUL pretensions is one of the best arguments AGAINST postmortem survival.

Goodbye again,
Don

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Reply #17 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 9:25am
 
Hi Don,

Thanks once again for your fascinating thoughts.  As you may recall, 20 years and 1 month
ago I had an ADC with my deceased first husband.  This was 21 years after his last
earthly breath was breathed within the circle of my arms.  He appeared to me to my absolute
and total surprise as I had no, repeat no belief in an afterlife.   

When he appeared, he exuded loving care and desire to "be there" for me.  We had an actual,
brief conversation.  The last word he said to me, telepathically, was "Darling."  Did I just
create a fantasy?   Frankly, I cannot see that I did because he appeared older to me than when I had last seen him.   Why would a nonbeliever such as I was then create a fantasy that included aging?

Further, there was a strange additional feature which I do not recall whether or not I mentioned previously.  This was that while I felt some intense part of me became completely focussed on our conversation and responded to him that, "I haven't finished saying good bye,"  (my real self) at the same time, I could hear the scratchy, inconsequential thoughts
of another unimportant self vaguely in the background. 

Why has he appeared visually just once to me?  Is it a tremendous effort?  I have heard his voice once since then at a moment of extreme sadness.  At that time,  my name was said
once in a calming manner from a place approximately where he would have been standing
had I been able to visually see him.  The effect was sudden and complete self control.  This happened this very year.

Furthermore, I was also confronted this year with a difficult decision which intimidated me.  I
believe it must be difficult for him now to appear because some one else very, very dear to
me appeared and with extreme intensity repeated a message to me three times.

I followed the message's request.  It's hard to explain the outcome, but I believe that in
so doing I have helped to heal a far-reaching hurt of the past for which I was, in part, responsible.  I am more than grateful to have been helped in such a manner that I also
brought peace to others.

The above is entirely my own personal, true experience.  I am glad that a place exists
where I may share these beautiful yet difficult moments.  Thank you.

May you all have a New Year that includes the strength to face everything.




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Reply #18 - Dec 30th, 2006 at 8:20pm
 
thanks vikingal for this story which offers us verification. always glad to hear personal testimony rather than endless debate.

and I relate to personal testimony such as yours. I too heard my husband in my ear in tone and sound a scant month or so after his passing. he was most agitated to break through my C1 and successful. we tried to have a coherent conversation and I caught the few words necessary to understand "money, insurance, phone call." it was his recognizable voice and I had no idea there was a problem at the insurance agency. I tend to let things go along as they will go without making efforts to make sure its going well, so I truly never would have straightened out a problem such as this.
I barely care about money so I am lax there. so we will know in our hearts and we can allow others to be as they will be.
I did so need to know he still cared though! love, alysia

thanks again for your post
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Reply #19 - Dec 31st, 2006 at 1:24am
 

  Clearly the ability to forgive and be forgiven is within us all.

Matthew,

Thank you for this wise and helpful comment. 

I don't know if you have seen my recent posting in this ADC  thread, but a point I wanted to make was that during the ADC which I had 20 years ago, I did perceive 2 parts to my own
personality. 

The first was a very intensely focussed self which paid close attention and responded
accordingly.  The second was an irrelevant to the matter at hand self which I perceived
as nattering away scratchily and unintelligibly in the background to the REAL one-on-one
conversation between my husband and myself.

Something that is interesting to me is that after all this time,  I still can find new depths
in this experience.   Perhaps it's because love truly has no boundaries--no center, no edge--it's limitless because it's what constitutes everything's underlying structure.  I think I am a far more caring and aware person today than I would have been without this experience.

I am aware that this is all metaphysics--so this belief is my own conjecture.  As an action of limitless love, though, our ADC has changed my life totally.  It seemed to be what I needed in ways that are countless.

Yet and even so, I have been a person who has been truly deeply loved all her life, BUT that ADC experience IS the one experience that has changed me forever.
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