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First attempt at contacting deceased
Dec 23rd, 2006 at 6:13pm
 
My buddy mark, on this forum wonderful25, asked me to contact his grandfather who is deceased.  He told me his name, and I asked him to give me a question that only him and his grandfather would know the answer to, in order to verify the contact.  He told me to ask what store his grandfather shopped at almost every day.  So I attempted the contact that night.

After getting deep, I set the intent on meeting "marks grandfather"(ill leave his name out).  Immediately, I was shown a picture, like a camera photo, of an older man, with 3 other people next to him. I felt he was closest to the woman on his left.  I knew immediatly who the man i was looking for was, it was just a feeling of knowing.  The picture faded, and as it did this man from the picture appeared to me.  I introduced myself as marks friend, and told him his grandson mark wanted me to contact him and see how he was doing. After talking to him for less than a minute, I felt the need to ask the question. I told him I needed to verify this with a question, and I asked him what store he shopped at every day when he was alive.  I immediately got a responce, but it did not make much sense to me.  The first word he said I found it hard to decifer.  It had a "k" or "qu" sound to it.  My mind made a connection to the word "quick", but I kenw that couldnt be the word, I just new it was not it.  The second word was "mart".  So I thought... hmm kkkk... qu..... mart?  I made a connection to kwicky mart for some reason.  It just didnt seem right to me, so I thought of another answer, and came up with CVS.  I am positive that this is just somthing I conjuered up myself because I was unsatisfied with the initial answer. I thought, o well, this doesnt make much sense but Ill go report to mark what I got.  SO I told him about everything that happened.  Then I told him what I thought the store was called.  He tells me... well the store he shopped at was K-Mart.  I was blown away. I know this was not the exact answer I got, but it was so close, I knew that there had to be some validity to the contact.  Maybe he did give me this exact answer, but somthing caused me to skew the first word.  I did not expect any kind of validity , expecially for my first atttempt at this sort of thing.  Does anyone think this is a decent validation?
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Reply #1 - Dec 23rd, 2006 at 10:07pm
 
Hi Dude,

I'd like to know how you felt during the whole episode?  Did it feel like actual contact to you, despite the fact the name of the store was not exact?  If the entire episode was exactly the same, but you actually had gotten the name exactly right, would it have felt more real to you? What I'm getting at is for you to judge this by the feeling of it for now, rather than the name of the store you were trying to get.  If you learn to trust your feelings it will help to open your preception, and then stuff like names will come much easier and you won't feel like you are guessing.

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Reply #2 - Dec 23rd, 2006 at 10:10pm
 
It looks good to me. But It seems odd that he would shop at K mart almost every day. I only shop once a week, and not there.

There might be more material there you might try to check.
Like who were the others with him?  Could you do it again?
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Reply #3 - Dec 23rd, 2006 at 11:58pm
 
Dude,

Boris is right, but I applaud your quest for verification.   In the past few years I have posted extensively here on the survival value of channeling.   The alternative of mind-reading seems to  best expain most (not all) channeled contacts.   I say this for two reasons: (1) From my research, many mediums have independent ESP gifts.  Those mediums who lack such paranormal ability potentially make their case for genuine contact more credible.  (2) More tellingly, there are compelling cases in which it can be proven that the medium received her verifiable channeled information via ESP rather than by genuine contact with the deceased.  For example, if the sitter wrongly believes the channeled spirit is deceased, the medium can channel that spirit with stunning verifications.  But later it is proven that this spirit was in fact still alive at the time and knew nothing about this communication!  I mention this neither to discourage you nor to convince you that you simiply extracted the information via ESP from Mark's mind.  Rather, I hope you can look for a level of verification that no living person knows about the deceased.  Even that feat might be due to reading universal mind (analogous to Robert Monroe's M-band field) rather than to contact with a surviving discarnate spirit.   But it would at least be strongly suggestive of postmortem survival. Meanwhile, keep us posted on your future efforts at verified contact.  

Emanuel Swedenborg has set the standard of what is possible for verified contact.  I may reactivate my deeply buried thread on him, so that you can read of his awesome feats of postmortem contact.

Don
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Reply #4 - Dec 24th, 2006 at 10:17am
 
Dude,

 Congratulations on what I see as your successful attempt to get verification.  While it's true that alternative explanations exist for your experience, just because they exist does not automatically make them any more likely than the possibility that you actually made contact and communicated with the grandfather.  

I remember a time, not that many years ago, when scientists were convinced that any evidence for something like telepathy was just coincidence, lucky guesses, or fraud.  Now days enough scientific studies have been done to prove the existence of telepathy to science.  So I find it amusing that now many scientists claim that afterlife communication does not exist, it is just telepathy with the physically living.  It is very difficult to convince scientists that anything new exists since if a phenomena can be explained away by existing knowledge, science is biased to do so.  This is as it should be, I believe, otherwise too much belief-based junk would become accepted as real.  Time will tell.  As more evidence is gathered, as more scientists become brave enough to devise more certain methods of testing the survival of consciousness hypothesis, the truth will be known.

In any event there are two ways the "it's only telepathy hypothesis" is routinely disproved in the experiences of participants in the live workshop.  In the first the deceased person died so many years ago, sometimes thousands, that no physically living person exists whose mind could be telepathically mined for the verified information received.  In the second the information was a secret known only to the deceased person.  Telepathy cannot be used to explain away verified information gathered from the deceased in these cases.

Oh, about skewing the first word.  From my experience this is a function of how our perception actually works.  What you are dealing with is called "Interpreter Overlay" in the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook, the process you describe is a textbook example of the effects and dealing with Interpreter Overlay.

From the live workshop exercise in which people make routinely gather previously unknown information via contact and communication with a deceased person there are two things you might add to your sessions.

1.  Ask the deceased person to show you or tell you about a physical lifetime scene that both they and the person who asked you to make contact were in together and would both remember.

2.  Ask the deceased person to show you, tell you, of give you something to be proving that your experience with them is real.

From my experience and that of workshop participants I'd say that if you continue making contact with the intent to gather information proving our afterlife's existence, eventually the weight of the verificable evidence will crush all doubt.

For me the verification step is so very impaortant because each time our experience is verified as real our acceptance of it as real causes beliefs we hold that conflict with that reality to be chipped away.  Those beliefs, in my view serve to block, distort, color and overlay our perception.  With each verification the pootential exists to eliminate and remove those beliefs, and in doing so our perception becomes more clear, undistorted, etc.  This in turn leads to clearer perception of more such information and we enter into a process that leads to opening our perception to an ever expanding perspective beyond physical reality.

Bruce
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Reply #5 - Dec 24th, 2006 at 10:19am
 
Greetings dude,

Congratulations!
Your contact seems real to me.  I've only been 'up there' once or twice consciously, but the series of images and then the interaction came in exactly the same way for me.

No one has mentioned the old Perceiver-Interpretor twist, so I'll chime in on that. You seemed very conscious of all the steps involved so we could just say 'no need to second guess yourself.' Especially since you had a means of checking it out all set up. Consciousness does a two-step, 1) the info comes, called the Perceiver, then 2) we try to make sense of it, called the Interpretor. We have to find a balance, hence Vicky's message about it feeling right.

I wonder if since you were doing this for someone else you felt more need to over-confirm. Just take what's offered and go with it! You're doing great!

Betson
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