Outofbody dude:

I've really been around the block when it comes to spiritual teachings. After a while it becomes easy to spot the questionable ones.

You're young. Either you can do like people such as myself have done and learn the hard way, or you can be smarter than people such as myself and understand early on that there are many people who fool people with their spiritual theories.

David Icke says one thing, A says another thing, B says another thing, C says another thing; each is considered to be the "it" teacher by the people who follow them, yet their teachings disagree about some very key points.

It's up to you man.

I'm not a follower of anyone but myself. I simply brought of a few of his theories to the table, and the ones that make sense I stated that I agreed with. Because they do in fact make sense.  You said that you did not like him because of his theories of satan, a topic that I actually mostly skipped over while reading his books because I too think he goes a little into the deep end with this topic.  I do not believe in the whole satan deal, the aspects of his work that I found to coincide with myself and my experiences I took with me and the rest I left behind.  I'm smarter than putting total faith into something someone writes or believes. Even Monroe and Moen, I did not praise them for the information they gave. It took me a little while of exploring for myself to realise that their theories were the real deal. It may have seemed like I was coming to Ickes defense, only because you and juditha seemed to be distorting his message a little bit. That does not mean I agreed with him, I just don't think he deserves to be criticised for somthing he did not write or believe.

I'm sure you're correct Dude, that you don't take anything said here personally. but it took me a long time to be as big as you seem to be about it all and I'm sure Albert has only your highest interests at heart. I would like to see just what reading material you Albert do approve of..as I've heard no reports about what to read, only what you don't want to read.

thanks, alysia

Outofbodydude:

Great to hear that you have some perspective on Icke. I became concerned, because sometimes people do go too far when it comes to accepting everything a source of information has to say. My guess is that you can think of some examples.

I guess it is possible for a source of information to be a mixed bag of tricks. But I wouldn't go too far with this.  Going by my experience with higer self/guidance, they aren't going to provide me with information unless they are really certain about what they are communicating to me. Therefore, if a source of information starts saying a bunch of false things, it makes me wonder how they came up with the things they say that are true.

I've also found that even if I don't consciously accept what somebody has to say, sometimes a bit of information that comes from them becomes a part of my memory banks. Such memory will unconsciously combine with similar belief systems/thought structures that don't do me any good. As a result I have to do some house cleaning that otherwise wouldn't be necessary. Our minds are a combination of various aspects that don't always operate according to what we are consciously aware of.

 

Rec said: Such memory will unconsciously combine with similar belief systems/thought structures that don't do me any good.
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from my viewpoint the opposite is also true, that reading whatever will do you good, but its a balancing thing that goes on in the mind, what to keep, what to file away, what gets pushed down for retrieval later, and what causes alarm bells to sound in us that it is a lie, or the opposite is a great truth.
for me what was a lie previously, unacceptable, becomes acceptable later as someone else's truth, but not my choice anymore, been there, done that, outgrowing clothes is part of our journey, but someone's trash, is still someone elses treasure.
I compare the human mentality (not emotions, just mental speaking of here)
to our computer system and we need to get new software now and then or the computer just doesn't move fast enough to keep up with the others who are enjoying the newest advances in technology.

yet these changes that move so swiftly though our internet system we are connected to can get quite irritating once we are comfortable in our programs and know how the older program works. its like just when we find it, somebody moves it!
so an alarm sounds in the mind, a big X in our error system if we get too comfortable with what used to work and too attached to the older system.
So in essence you are totally correct, its all about gathering experience here by gaining the new software; then a new forum will spring from the new software as bugs are reported and so then goes the story of humanity.

each of us reporting the new bugs and how to improve the test program which they failed to tell you that it was a test program. you thought it was already tested, but no, you too are part of the test program and so it becomes your obligation in a sense, to help the others by reporting the bugs that you found.

lol. u can tell where my head has been at lately. back to experience gathering, which is what probes, probing minds do here. knowledge can only be gained by the living of the experience. and so thats true, and we all have our favorite authors.

reading can also induce paranormal experiences. If I had not read Monroe I would never have been curious enough to have attained my first retrieval experience and I wouldn't be here, this great place to talk about it. I read to the very last page even though I got bogged down frequently with trying to understand what he was saying. so I accepted what I could understand and thought someday I can read it again and understand more.
to make my long posts a little shorter is one of my intentions  this boards health that it remains a place for all to connect with where they cannot speak of these things, hopes, aspirations, PUL, whats in the heart, the afterlife, the spirit, dreams, projections, guides, all the things we speak of are seldom things we can talk of on the street or in the workplace. so it is valuable webspace right now for many.

there are many who will not post here as they are not sure they will be accepted as a part of the gang and they may think we have an exclusive club going on, when we don't, except we may be laboring under that allusion.
the way I see it, when we get the newbies in here, no matter what their experience level is, we should applaud their courage to go public with their thoughts and confidences and sharings of what they have discovered to inspire them. they are trying to give us a gift of themselves. we should let them.
we should see what their gift is by looking underneath their words.
yes I know I'm empathic but its easy to look at a person's intentions behind their words..its easy to find it and respond from their good hearted intentions which in most cases if not all, those good intentions are there.

then it doesn't matter whether we disagree or agree, we are establishing a community or group consciousness and all are welcome.

I worry that the younger ones, who are smarter than the older ones (my pov) will get shut down and not return to the community. that is why I would admonish everyone to preface your posts with first a thought of love, and then go on to whatever you wish to say, and then end it with a thought of love..this way we can make this community a more welcoming place for all.
people are very sensitive to love or a lack of love, so this is all I'm thinking that we never had moderation here before and even someone has to moderate the peer moderators to make sure we don't throw anybody away here just because of their beliefs.

I don't know, maybe I've been here far too long..  but I do love all the people here very much and this is a great board, much better than it used to be.

ok I'll shut up.

Hi outofbodydude I dont always get it right i admit that,but the way i feel at the moment i dont care,as far as im concerned ive got enough things going on in my life so if im wrong im wrong,it wont be the first time and it wont be the last and satan can go to hell for all i care,whether he exists or not i dont care anymore.    Satan can go swivel. 

Love and God bless    Love Juditha

Alysia:

THE WHOLE WORLD READS THIS SITE?!!!!!?

I take back half of what I written since I've been visiting it. I don't know which half yet though. I'll let you know. 

Regarding Bruce Moen's books, it seems like I was guided to his and Rosalind Mcknight's books plus Robert Monroe's third book. Things fell in place in interesting ways.

First I bought Robert Monroe's third book. The pages where he speaks about meeting his I-there were missing. This turned out to be a good thing because when I bought a copy that had the pages,  the timing was perfect.  If I would've had access to these pages after I bought the first copy,  I don't believe they would've meant as much to me. After receiving the pages, it didn't take too long before I made contact with my own I-there (disc).

The name Bruce Moen ran in my head for a while. None of the local bookstores I checked had his books. One day I was on my way to a book store in San Francisco, and then all of a sudden I got the urge to forget about it, got off the freeway, and ate at a restaurant that was nearby. A few weeks later I went to the store mentioned above, the store just happened to have one copy of a Bruce Moen's fifth book, I bought it, and the timing seemed perfect.

Next I ordered the rest of Bruce's books plus Rosalind Mcknight's books from Amazon.com. I received an email stating that all books have been sent. Nevertheless, I only received Rosalind's "Soul Journeys" first. It hit the spot quite well. Later in the evening, on the same day I received Soul Journey's, I heard a voice say, "you'll get what you're looking for next week." The next week I received the rest of the books all at once. The timing was just right for me. I wonder why the order got seperated as it did.

well Juditha I like your attitude. I am going to be saying go swivel it now all the time!
hey Bert can I call you Bert? u are becoming so familiar.  listen, the other day I was just googling different words on the net, people's names, and up pops posts from this board...it quite amazed me that the internet links up this way and all our messages are floating around in cyberspace, what I call the grid. thats what I meant by the whole world reads this forum, even though the number of registered members is what? 2 to 3 thousand and growing. haven't looked lately to see.
so, lol, yea, be careful what you say here, it follows you and echoes down the line.

its so fun just to punch in whatever and see what comes up, I imagine others do this too. yes I see meaning in the way that materials come to us as I don't believe in coincidences.  they say when the student is ready the teacher arrives.

this happened to me once; a voice said "I am with you now."  I had been asking for a guide for weeks. I was a little taken aback as I didn't believe I was worthy to get one anyway. had a low opinion of myself I suppose.
none of us need to think we are unworthy but we sometimes think this way.
as for reading materials, they do appear at the right time.
all my life I wondered what a miracle was and if I could have one, or two, or three. one day if you reach the bottom for some circumstance, one may stop thinking about getting a miracle and decide either consciously or unconsciously to die.
I was conscious in this case that I feared not death. I asked for something to appear in my life which could change my mind about the death I proceeded towards and thats when A Course in Miracles book arrived, at precisely when I was open to receive a new way of looking at life. I remember the conversation which occurred in my head just before it arrived which I know you've read before but maybe some others would like to read about it.
it went something like this, and it had to be some sort of guiding influence there.
as far as my emotional nature at the time I was angry. the guidance said making decisions when you're angry is not a good idea.

Me: I'm checking out. life sucks.
Voice: don't be rash. think it over.
Me: u think I'm making the wrong decision?
Voice: You could defeat this problem if you want.
Me: I need something, I don't know where to turn. I'm stuck. Is there anything you can do for me before I leave?
Voice: give me a little time. I'll find what u need and take u there. put your thoughts on hold regarding death thoughts for now. when the answer appears you will just have a knowing you got what you asked for. you'll get a signal on your body this is it. it will come through the crown chakra. I'll be standing right behind you.
Me: ok I'm going to go forget for awhile and I'll wait for this to show, but I can't wait much longer before I leave here, I am so disgusted.
Voice: just trust me. I know what I'm doing.

and it all happened exactly the way the voice said when I came upon ACIM where it said a miracle was a change of mind. it put me in touch with a state of blissfulness from time to time. then it worked me over to a state of emptiness where I became nothing; the knowing that I was nothing unless I could conceive of being something.
sometimes it hurts to have no ego, to be nothing, it involves the belief system crashing around you as you go into the void.
however the other side of crashing is where the miracles are.
u know the saying somebody up there loves me?
its true. somebody up there loves all of us so much, they would give us the freedom to descend into the hell hole where death seems real to us. but death is not real in that we are annhiliated. we can continue to become more of ourselves because we are a part of something which had no beginning and has no end.

love, alysia