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Dec 3rd, 2006 at 3:56pm
 
Do life systems on other planets operate under the same fundamental constructs as our Earth Life System? For instance, if one partakes in a life system on another planet is it a guarantee that you will be born as an infant in what ever physical vessel it is that is pre-chosen, then raised via "family"; then self-reliant... or are there other ways of operation? If so, what would that look like? Is it possible to inhabit an already equipped/knowledgable vessel from the get go, or is that something that needs to evolve via age/experience?

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Reply #1 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 4:29pm
 
Hi Cosmic Spirit inhabit the other planets as Jupiter is the highest and Mercury is the lowest,so i dont think there are any lifeforms inhabiting planets,but i could be wrong.

I really think if there were other lifeforms out there on planets.they would have been found by now,i just think aliens are were they belong in the science fiction stories.

I really personally feel they do not exist,i have listened to a lot of mediums bringing messages through at my spiritualist church and theres Derek Acorah and Gordon Smith and many more good mediums,who have never mentioned getting a message from an alien.

I also commune with spirit and i have never had any message to say aliens are out there,because they dont exist.

All love and respect to you cosmic,but i just do not beleive in aliens or any other lifeforce on any planet apart from the planet earth,because earth is the planet God created for us to live on.

The planets are for the world of spirit,earth is for the physical and thats the way i really see it.

Love and God bless you Cosmic      Love Juditha

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Reply #2 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 4:39pm
 
There is so much evidence of other life forms existing its a little rediculous to say there are none out there. Why would we be the only intelligent life forms in existance. There are an infinate number of galaxies and solar systems, so why would this be the only one to have life. There are so many UFO sightings and abductions and implants, Bruce Moen has even made contact with ETs. OF course noone is going to know how their worlds are run and what systems they live by.  But that doesn't mean they dont exist.
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Reply #3 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 4:52pm
 
Hi outofbodydude  I read that this medium had a message from spirit saying that man should not go into the universe as it upsets the planets.

I cant prove that aliens dont exist,i just dont want them to exist,humans have got spirit,God made man in his own image and God was not an alien,this is just what i think myself.

Theres been probes visiting every planet we know of and no lifeform or alien has ever stood there waving at the camera,thats because there not there.

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Reply #4 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 6:41pm
 
Hi C-A

I'll go along with OOB Dude, that the probabilities are overwhelmingly great for other entities to occur "out there" in this and other galaxies, and quite possibly in some of the Solar system bodies yet unexplored, although I suspect that we're the best developed thus far. On the other hand, as Juditha pointed out, there's not much incoming spiritual discussion to support "them", while there's a vast amount of local chatter amongst us here. Based on that, it seems that the bulk ok information suggests that we are either alone or out of touch.

However, I can't see any reason why a being from some other galaxy, or a parallel universe or whatever would want to communicate with us. In fact, with whom would such a being connect? It's not like sending a telepathic message to Pete down the street after going out to dinner last week. Maybe they don't have streets "out there". Or, not having direct personal interaction with anyone here, how is the ender to acquire the "telepathic address" (or, in the vernacular, "sense the vibrations") of someone to whom to direct a message?

In doing regressions to relieve clinical problems I once encountered an entity that complained that it was from a totally different kind of universe, where there were a different number of dimensions, different bodies and so on. While crossing our galaxy, I was told, this being got trapped in the psyche of the person I was treating. I eventually sent it off into the Light with others of its kind. Based on that, I suppose that there might be a great deal of stuff going on that we simply have no knowledge about. In principle, I now have a pal in some alien galaxy who actually might contact me, based on the fact that through that brief session I actually made direct contact - rather like finding my psychic address -  but thus far it hasn't happened.

There's an additional probem here, which is that information is limited to movement at the speed of light. Let's assume that some being in the Adromeda Galaxy wants to ring you up to say hello. And let's presume that they have your psychic address and so on. That message would take millions of years to arrive. We might literally go, as an out of body activity, to visit stars there, but as we do, we also slip backwards along our own projected light cone of manifestation to arrive in the Andromeda Galaxy millions of years before our psychic correspondent was born.

My personal feeling is that the cosmos is literally teeming with life, everything from fungi to sages of immense wisdom, but that we are so far separated, first by lack of familiarity (no psychic address) and second by the sheer vastness of cosmic distances, that the probability of interaction is slight at best.

When working with people in the "Upper Astral", which is the level in which we cease to be earth-directed and start becoming Oneness-directed, I occasionally tell people to go to the "place where all information is kept" (there are resources there for healing) - often it looks like a Library, Cayce called it the "Akashic Records". (Actually, this is a construct held by the mind that brings information together by selecting a way in which to view it as a localized cluster of data.) - the general opinion of those observers is that there are being of all natures there, many without form, many with vague shapes, others with bodily forms, and often they have different appearances suggesting an alien origin. Perhaps you might go there yourself and have a look.

Another rare event has been that I have had  perhaps three people in regression who seem to have evolved elsewhere, and who came here to Earth after having various lives elsewhere. Three people out of ten years doesn't sound like a population explosion out there.

The safest interpretation is that we simply have no really good methods of finding out, even by use of telepathy, with the exception of the nearest stars for which a telepathic message would only take a few years. What we are likely to receive, if anything, is going to be static of leftover messages between other beings, sent and received in the distant past, much like other planets might receive if they tuned a TV receiver to Earth frequencies, and got a few years of I Love Lucy and Milton Berle.

I wonder, Juditha, if your psychic group might be interested in an intentional "psychic broadcast" aimed at some of the nearby stars, with the understanding that it's going to take a while (3 to 10 years, for example) to get anything back. That might be one way to open the door.

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Reply #5 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 7:20pm
 
Dave, my friend you disappoint me.

Thought is not bound by the physical universe or the speed of light.  Thought simply is.  If one travels out of body, I would not at all assume the spirit/soul to be limited by the laws of the physical universe in which we live.  Thus, Monroe has spoken of Focus 35 or "the gathering," where alien observers have been encountered on his astral journeys - mostly to observe an important earth change about to come, if memory serves me right.  Messages and communications need not be limited by the speed of light in these instances. 

I feel this is an interesting topic, but also, potentially a distraction.  I have enough on my hands, trying to make sense of our earth incarnations, our spiritual journey in this earth life system to focus on.  If I encountered aliens, I would, of course be curious.

What I find is that some get sucked into UFO conspiracies and assume aliens are actively working to stop nuclear armeggedon (or promote it), and other such drivel.  It can drive one bonkers.

Augo posted an interesting note from Jewish mysticism where they mentioned seven sentient life systems - ours was called something like the planet of tears - I guess we had the reputation of being in the school of hard knocks. 


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Reply #6 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 8:42pm
 
Doc-

You're only half right. We can indeed move at the speed of thought, but only within the constraints defined by our existence. You exist at the hot end of a cone of emergent influences and information that extends outward into the universe, and has done so ever since your initial hatching from whatever it is we come from.

If we were to exceed the speed of light, we wold effectively move backwards in time. This only works for a tiny distance, because the enduring existence of anything must depend upon its involvement in its universe (going sideways into some private space doesn't count) - and backwards in time puts things into a place where most of the interactions have already been frozen into history. Forward works fine if you go fast enough you can go anywhere without gaining a day, but the universe around you ages tremendously, and you can't go home again.

Moving from here to, say Barnard's star, about 7 LY distant, you slide out along your light cone. There is no sensation of time due to Lorentz Contraction. You can put your mind there, but only in the sense of 7 years ago, and the return trip is equally long. (And on the way back you travel instantaneously with respect to your proper time, while the world ages.) This is not a matter of limitations of the spiritual nature of people, but of the fact that we sense with the apparatus of the physical universe, whether it's a psychic image or otherwise. We're stuck with these limitations to the extent that we do not have an alternative to living in the universe as it is currently defined. Now, if you have discovered a way to exist that is independent of the existence of a physical universe, then you can free yourself from Lorentz Contraction. Otherwise, we're stuck at the speed of the universe.

As for "instant thought", your thoughts travel between your brain and your big toe at roughly 300 mph. If you had a 3000 mile long dachshund you could tweak his tail in Los Angeles, get on a jet and fly to New York, have lunch, take in a show, and still be there when he finally barked.

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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2006 at 10:15pm
 
Thanks Dave,

I respectfully disagree in that I believe that time and space in the physical plane are laws of physical reality that do not apply in spirit.  Read Swedenborg, from hundreds of years ago - we are told that time has no meaning in spirit, as we are simply going from one state of being to another without linnear time.  In Focus 27, by TMI standards, we can postmortem talk with any soul who has ever lived, regardless of linnear thinking about time and space.

When my soul travels in the astral then, it does not shoot out at light speed toward an object in the physical (like another planet).  The astral plane intersects the physical and has certain laws (such as the speed of light in the physical), but is not bound by the same rules.  

All of your postulates are correct in terms of travel faster than the speed of light from one planet or galaxy to another.  There would be a relative change in time. This has no meaning, however in terms of spirit and thought.  When you measure the time it takes a nerve impulse to be seen in the brain and go to my big toe - that is a finite speed - in the physical only.  The thought originates outside my body - this is the basis of spirituality.  What you measure in terms of thousandths of a second is defined as a physical interpretation of our thought - a manifestation.  You are not measuring thought, but its translation in our physical world.  

Given my concepts, spirit and thought are not bound by conventional physical laws (as they exist in planes which interpenetrate the physical).  If you and an alien were each meditating many thousands of lightyears away, and you were in an astral or spiritual plane, you might therefore be able to make contact.

If you check the partnered exploration forum here, you sometimes see two or more people meditating on an agreed exploration at different times of the day.  How, you may ask could they reach the same meeting or target if they weren't there at the same time?  Because it has been found that thought and intention find the same target, without regard to when the meditation starts.  This supports my point.  

The same is true of remote viewers, who have "seen" hidden installations in their minds eye, but sometimes several decades earlier.  This has been shown by the US military.  Again, this supports the notion that thought/spirit is not bound by linnear time/space.

I think we are only limited by the physical in the physical plane of existence.  What are the dimensions of the various astral planes and the speeds of thought in them?  I don't honestly know, except that in pure essence and spirit, we are only restrained by the limits of our beliefs.  

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Reply #8 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 1:39am
 
I have to take Doc's side on this.

Physical reality has sets of laws and parameters that spiritual realms/dimensions need not abide by. One also has to keep in mind that the laws that exist for us in the physical realms are the tangible bi-products of belief fabrications that were shaped and molded within the spiritual realms where literally anything is possible. Remember the notion and power held within the consciousness with regards to beliefs and the roles that they play with shaping and molding any and all realities and the laws that bind them.

Black holes do not abide by the common physical laws that govern our universe; yet they reside within our physical universe. It has also been noted that the great "definer" of our physical laws himself, Mr. Albert Einstein, had failed to enjoy the daunting ramifications encompassing the discovery/possibility of black holes beings the laws that govern them do not adhere to the same laws that he spent a lifetime discovering and defining for all of humanity.

My father had three near-death experiences which provided tangible evidence to him suggesting showing him that within the spiritual realms forms of travel are not governed by the speed of light. There are no limitations to consciousness in its purest form, not even the speed of light can contain consciousness and all of the possibilities therein. Moreover, the speed of light is a construct of consciousness itself.

Belief and Love are literally the only laws that bind.

(Of course, maybe this is just my belief...) Wink

All pun intended!

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Reply #9 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 5:36am
 
Interesting chat.  Juditha love, i still wouldn't say Mercury is the lowest Planet - the Earth is and then the Moon.
Beyond the Moon it is not so much a matter of highest to lowest - all the Planets (and Zodiac Spheres) have a specific part to play housing different temperaments each equally important contributing to the dynamics of our solar system, which in turn is us.  Earth is the expression of these temperaments.

With this I agree with Dave : We can indeed move at the speed of thought, but only within the constraints defined by our existence.  

We are the Microcosm in the Macrocosm.  Our solar system lives in us.  Upon death of the physical body we go through an inversion ie. a turning inside out.  We become the Macrocosm, or rather a part of the Macrocosm.  

Birth is the reversal; we collapse the Macrocosm into Microcosm.  The Macrocosm collapses or compounds into our metabolism and it is through our metabolism we seek the larger picture that is the Macrocosm.

So,  this is unique to human beings made up of the same metabolism - which we all are.  Any other metabolism would not be able to operate within our cycles of life.

There might be vistors from other Galaxies, as the Kabbala has suggested.  But they would not be within our same law as death and birth.  So, they are material substances with their own metabolism make-up and applying the physics to this, taking traveling through aeons of time/space into consideration, it does seem unlikely.  

Unlikely in real time life and unlikely in real time death.

However, if we apply levels of dimensions, we might all be sharing the same solar system in vast layers of different dimensions.  We ourselves, as humans beings alone, live in this multi-dimensional solar system with the different Zodiac spheres according to our rate of metabolism.  Here it is said like attract likes ie same blood chain, same metabolism make-up which is our individual 'groups'.

The writings I have on UFO's is they are the mechanics of the Universe;  God's workers.  They fix the holes in the force field around the Earth, they prevent certain radical accidents from happening like nuclear fall out from factory plants, as much as they can.  It is said we are not meant to see them - if we do it is because they have slipped into our dimension.

Someone made a post not so long ago on this.  Was it the Seth literature?  I do agree with this - have read a few writings across books on this.  And the biggest thing one realises with the Mechanics of the Universe is there are Ethics - they are God's workers and may even be called Angels, maybe.

So; unknowns might slip into our dimension through default and we might even be able to slip through into their dimension.  But their after-life would be different from ours. The laws which govern our metabolism Macro and Micro pertain to human make up.  

It is said once the Circle of Life is complete we do not have the urge to come back to Earth so here maybe the dimensions open up to us as our metabolism is 'full force'.  As Jesus Christ : The Risen Man.

Well, just my mumblings along.

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Reply #10 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 5:45am
 
Hi Dave i would like to try that ,i will ask at the circle.

Hi Everyone.   There is only spirit out there,Jesus never mentioned aliens,when he walked the earth,if they existed he would have done,aliens go against the grain,against everything in the natural set of things,i just cant accept aliens can be out there.

We were made in the image of God, aliens were not,we live on this planet God gave us,with our spirit learning day after day and then we die and we go back to our fathers kingdom(THE SPIRIT WORLD)that is the real truth of life existence,so aliens do not fit in with the plan.i dont beleive in aliens,i just dont.

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Reply #11 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 1:44pm
 
Well Juditha, I have some dissapointing news for you. I am, in actuality, an alien. I am from the galaxy of Orion. My true name is Euzaklshm. I have incarnated in a physical body here on earth to experience the Great Change that will soon occur. I don't appriciate you saying we do not exist, I might have to call up my buddys and have them abduct you if you continue this blasphamy.
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Reply #12 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 1:53pm
 
Hi outofbodydude Proof at last,pleased to welcome you to earth,my apologies to you.

Love and God bless      Love Juditha
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Reply #13 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 2:23pm
 
I forgive you... I already put in the request for your abduction however. Sorry, Ill tell them to go easy on you.
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Reply #14 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 2:49pm
 
Hi outofbodydude Thankyou for asking them to go easy on me,you are so kind.

Love and God bless   Love Juditha
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